You were the one who brought up the spelling of "litre"
That was supposed to a light-hearted joke. Is everyone so serious as to not be able to find international spelling differences at least somewhat humorous?
BTW here are a few quotes from Pagemaster in this thread alone to consider. I'll let others determine how appropriate they are in a Sequoia forum or how respectful they are of American consumers in general and more specifically those that have posted to this forum.
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There must be something wrong with you. I bet you are a minor who does not have a license.
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LMAO....you have not test drove one these. You are full of $hit.
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BTW while we are on the topic...folks in the USA better wake up because there is going to be a HUGE change in the way America does things and viewed among the rest of the world after this election...
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I think I am being swayed by Obama....but yeah...I don't get to vote.
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For the American market, the average middle class family is not what Toyota is selling the LC to. I have no doubt that if the average middle class family was looking for a full size SUV, with a average designed interior, terrible ergonomics that uses inferior materials, that can seat 7, haul the dog, hit the big interstate and stop at the camp yard than the Sequioa is the vehicle of choice...
BTW here are a few quotes from Pagemaster in this thread alone to consider. I'll let others determine how appropriate they are in a Sequoia forum or how respectful they are of American consumers in general and more specifically those that have posted to this forum.
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LMAO....you have not test drove one these. You are full of $hit.
No disrespect to you. But I still do not believe you have ever test drove a 200 series LandCruiser or LX570. While you may say you have I just don't believe you or have any faith in your opinion of the 200 series or of your Sequioa.
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BTW while we are on the topic...folks in the USA better wake up because there is going to be a HUGE change in the way America does things and viewed among the rest of the world after this election...
Like I said. I never brought up the election. It was Tundrav8y.
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For the American market, the average middle class family is not what Toyota is selling the LC to. I have no doubt that if the average middle class family was looking for a full size SUV, with a average designed interior, terrible ergonomics that uses inferior materials, that can seat 7, haul the dog, hit the big interstate and stop at the camp yard than the Sequioa is the vehicle of choice...
That was supposed to a light-hearted joke. Is everyone so serious as to not be able to find international spelling differences at least somewhat humorous?
BTW here are a few quotes from Pagemaster in this thread alone to consider. I'll let others determine how appropriate they are in a Sequoia forum or how respectful they are of American consumers in general and more specifically those that have posted to this forum.
This thread is useless without pictures
Heat: I find these thread's humorous at times because everybody has there own since of directions on what serves there needs and want's thus people are on different pages. Do I find the Interiors on the New Tundra and Seq cheap Yea but that's my opinion and some might like them.Personally I too have seen some rather short changing going on from Toyota in General it's bad enought the Tacoma has a Cheap breaker plastic bed but many owner's Taco owner's still love them.Overall the Love hate relationship goes on within Toyota Owner's were a pickey group of people but Intirelly it's not a good ideal to be extreamly too brand loyal. Toyota does have some crappy product's out there and Yes I do avoid them and read up about problem's.
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LMAO....you have not test drove one these. You are full of $hit.
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No disrespect to you. But I still do not believe you have ever test drove a 200 series LandCruiser or LX570. While you may say you have I just don't believe you or have any faith in your opinion of the 200 series or of your Sequioa.
Is it just me or is his thinking abit twisted and immature as a posting. On one hand "I'm full of it...." and in the next line he means me no disrespect.....Uhhh, I think you just did, my good canadian friend.
FYI, I drove the LC at DCH Toyota in New Brunswick NJ and James Toyota in Flemington NJ. I drove the LX570 at the Lexus dealer in Somerville NJ. For the record, the house in the background of the pictures of my Sequoia are my home. I think it at least marginally suggests that purchasing an LC or LX are rather minor financial transactions to me. Perhaps the physical evidence will help him grasp the veracity of my statements. If not...he'll just have to learn to deal with it.
Not a big surprise to me. In fact I was suggesting that the Tundra and Sequoia would be hurt by higher gas prices back in Dec. when I was shopping for one. I take no satisfaction or dissatisfaction in the sale or lack of sale of a vehicle I personally own. I leave that type of passion to folks like you and others that get emotional about innaminate objects like vehicles.
To me they are just conveniences and when it comes to buying one I want the one that best meets my needs and delivers value for my investment.
There is no doubt and its an unrefutable fact that the Sequoia is the best vehicle for MY needs. It is my opinion that the Sequoia is the best value on the market when shopping for a full size suv with the latest in passenger comfort and towing abilities. It is reasonable to conclude that if interior aesthetics is more important than maximum passenger space than the QX is a strong competitor and maybe even a better choice.
If the QX had more interior space and more hp (and a nicer looking exterior) it would be in my garage as we speak. In neither case would the LX or LC have been in the running....even if the price were the same as the QX and Sequoia. Ridiculous to even consider the LC/LX at $20K more IMO.
For the record, the house in the background of the pictures of my Sequoia are my home. I think it at least marginally suggests that purchasing an LC or LX are rather minor financial transactions to me
This thread has turned into nothing but a pissing contest and the comment above borders on obnoxious.
This thread has turned into nothing but a pissing contest and the comment above borders on obnoxious.
Vern, I think you missed some of the earlier posts in which it was suggested that it was not likely that I was either old enough or of the right demographic to afford an LC or LX and therefore I must be lying when I posted that I've test driven both vehicles.
I'm not sure there was anything I could have said to validate that I could both afford and have test driven these vehicles. A picture is worth a thousand words and that was the objective of my earlier reference.
Vern, I think you missed some of the earlier posts in which it was suggested that it was not likely that I was either old enough or of the right demographic to afford an LC or LX and therefore I must be lying when I posted that I've test driven both vehicles.
I'm not sure there was anything I could have said to validate that I could both afford and have test driven these vehicles. A picture is worth a thousand words and that was the objective of my earlier reference.
I really feel strongly with Heatwave on this topic as well.Heat has carried his own weight on these debates.Guess what everything Heat has stated has been to the best of his knowledge thus I don't feel he has been treated with the respect he has earned much less bait tested and approved.First of all it's down rude to state he hasn't driven the Lc or his levels of social status Income doesn't support buying an overrated Land cruiser or Lexus LX 570 like this is the focus of topic "No it's not". My Moto is simple he can afford anything he wants and that goes with everybody on this boards just carry the note and payment's and hell sign your life away it's that simple
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Look guys, Heat feels strongly about the Sequoia and its merits and Page feels strongly about the LC and its superiority over the Sequoia as a vehicle as well as its incremental worth. Its obvious after 180+ posts and the lack of participation by other members in this thread that this has clearly become an issue that neither side is going to concede on. In an effort to prove each other points, the responses have also become personal at times. Why not just agree to disagree and move on?
Look guys, Heat feels strongly about the Sequoia and its merits and Page feels strongly about the LC and its superiority over the Sequoia as a vehicle as well as its incremental worth. Its obvious after 180+ posts and the lack of participation by other members in this thread that this has clearly become an issue that neither side is going to concede on. In an effort to prove each other points, the responses have also become personal at times. Why not just agree to disagree and move on?
I will weigh in again... Heat states data and facts, Page expresses emotions and opinions. I am not just saying this because I have a new Sequoia. I have had a Land Cruiser and Toyota is clearly taking a band-aid approach to keeping the LC in the market. So much about the LC stinks now that I won't even bother totally rehashing it all. The fact that Toyota won't even invest a minimal amount in the suspension and the interior of the LC(independent rear suspension and the totally horrible 3 rd row seat situation) was enough for me to abandon the LC this time around. I just drove 180+ miles this weekend with 6 passegers in my Seq and we all loved it. Two of my passgers currently have a Lexus and LC and they too said there is absoulyely no comparison. Face it Page the Sequoia is a better vehicle at the moment.
The fact that Toyota won't even invest a minimal amount in the suspension and the interior of the LC(independent rear suspension and the totally horrible 3 rd row seat situation)
Come on. Toyota has invested in a brand new KDSS suspension system (that is not the same as the GX470) and an improved hydraulic suspension on overseas land cruiser and North America LX570.
BTW..TMES has been used on the Land Cruiser/LX470 since 1998...so not a big deal.
The Sequioa is yes using an IRS which is great for on road comfort but does not add any extras such as lower load floor or skid pad handling. Long term reliability of towing 10,000 lbs is unkown....200 series is using 1st gen Tundra rear end desing and axle ration...very proven design.
I will not argue that that the Sequioa can move 6 or 7 passengers in greater comfort that the LC. However, if 4 or 5 passenger are the case the 200 series wins hand down thanks to to a safer cabin, greater interior cooling/heating, better seat leather and nice touches as lighted AUTO up/down windows on all for doors, most airbags out of any Toyota, power moving second row seats...
While the Sequioa is a very very very nice full size SUV it is CLEARLY not a premium SUV nor should a Sequioa owner dare pull up to folks at the country club who owne vehicles like Range Rovers, LX470/570, Land Cruisers, Mercedes G glass etc...
IMO it is a SHAME that all Sequioa are using the same cheap Tundra grade interior that is spray painted...YES spray painted...CHEAP door panels covered in VINYL which is not even offered on the Tundra grade rediculous arm reach to the NAV system and HVAC controls which are not fully integrated. no design to the interior door panels....Oh yeah I forgot...that terrible gauges cluster has to go.
BTW... I can't believe that the Camry, Highlander, Land Cruiser, Avalon all have keyless start yet the 56k Sequioa still uses a key. Even the Corolla has keyless start.
What is with the rediculous placement of the rear hatch button....safety issue right there.
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I am shocked that you didnt exceed the payload rating of 1275lb for the Sequioa. I hope you don't live in Texas...everything is bigger in Texas.
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Face it Page the Sequoia is a better vehicle at the moment
For the needs of hauling 6 or 7 passengers or hauling 10,000 lb trailer by yourself...yes it is...for everything else...mmm NO.
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Two of my passgers currently have a Lexus and LC and they too said there is absoulyely no comparison
Right...THe sequioa is a full size SUV while the 200 series is a premium SUV...notice that I never said that the Land Cruiser is a premium full size SUV or full size in general. .Sequioa appeals to middle class incomes and lifestyle while 200 series is in the upper income level.
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Come on. Toyota has invested in a brand new KDSS suspension system (that is not the same as the GX470) and an improved hydraulic suspension on overseas land cruiser and North America LX570.
The Sequioa is yes using an IRS which is great for on road comfort but does not add any extras such as lower load floor or skid pad handling.
I will not argue that that the Sequioa can move 6 or 7 passengers in greater comfort that the LC. However, if 4 or 5 passenger are the case the 200 series wins hand down thanks to to a safer cabin, greater interior cooling/heating, better seat leather and nice touches as lighted AUTO up/down windows on all for doors, power moving second row seats...
While the Sequioa is a very very very nice full size SUV it is CLEARLY not a premium SUV nor should a Sequioa owner dare pull up to folks at the country club who owne vehicles like Range Rovers, LX470/570, Land Cruisers, Mercedes G glass etc...
IMO it is a SHAME that all Sequioa are using the same cheap Tundra grade interior that is spray painted...YES spray painted...CHEAP door panels covered in VINYL which is not even offered on the Tundra grade rediculous arm reach to the NAV system and HVAC controls which are not fully integrated. no design to the interior door panels....Oh yeah I forgot...that terrible gauges cluster has to go.
BTW... I can't believe that the Camry, Highlander, Land Cruiser, Avalon all have keyless start yet the 56k Sequioa still uses a key. Even the Corolla has keyless start.
What is with the rediculous placement of the rear hatch button....safety issue right there.
I am shocked that you didnt exceed the payload rating of 1275lb for the Sequioa. I hope you don't live in Texas...everything is bigger in Texas.
For the needs of hauling 6 or 7 passengers or hauling 10,000 lb trailer by yourself...yes it is...for everything else...mmm NO.
Right...THe sequioa is a full size SUV while the 200 series is a premium SUV....Sequioa appeals to middle class incomes and lifestyle while 200 series is in the upper income level.
Page hate to inform you but I see a lot of Seq In my hood and guess what it's right near Marrietta country club with 1 Million plus homes and who cares to say it midely not a focus point on income period .Why does it seem like buyers in the class care about kepting up with the jones On luxury Suv's.For example i guess Camry owner's are a smart group of people because they didn't but the same Lexus entry level Es 350 for a whole lot more.The way I see your post going it seems like we all need to compromise our lifestyles when Toyota has proudly been Value core vs Luxury like Lexus a division of Toyota Motor sales. I don't know but some feature you discuss at times to be are soo small I wouldn't take notice on.Yes Lexus own Navigation has a Mark levenson Hdd with ac controls all in the system but then again I've noted that for a wile now Toyota is just Budget core right now .
Yes Lexus own Navigation has a Mark levenson Hdd with ac controls all in the system but then again I've noted that for a wile now Toyota is just Budget core right now
Yes and that is the point of this thread. There is no doubt that Toyota has cheaped out on the interior of the 2008 Toyota Sequioa. Where the 200 series still follows the pre 2005 interior basics of offering little touches like labelling on the power seat controls, 4 zone climate, 10 airbags, more articulating power passenger seat, full integrated nav/radio/hvac system, 3 memory settings, three dimming mirrors, 28 HVAC vents compared to 14, premium leather and yes seat anchor covers that your Tundra, my Tundra and you Highlander yet the Sequioa deletes this and costs more than EVERYTHING in the Toyota brand line up except the Land Cruiser....
I am dissappointed in the interior quality of the new 2008 Toyota Sequioa.
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thus I don't feel he has been treated with the respect he has earned much less bait tested and approved
.First of all it's down rude to state he hasn't driven the Lc or his levels of social status Income doesn't support buying an overrated Land cruiser or Lexus LX 570 like this is the focus of topic "No it's not". My Moto is simple he can afford anything he wants and that goes with everybody on this boards just carry the note and payment's and hell sign your life away it's that simple
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