I don't mean to hurt someone's sensitive feelings...but I think it is important for people to notice the cost cutting going on at Toyota. I have never seen Toyota be the subject to such critisism like they have going on now. edmunds complains of the interiors..the camry feels a little cheap, so does the highlander. The new Sequioa interior material is just damn aweful...especially with the very poor designed door panels, spray painted dash and then lack of seat anchor covers on a $60k SUV.
I have to agree with Tundrayv8amaha. Toyota USA clearly has sold out to growth and sales over quality and refinement... I have no doubt that the USA Toyota are as well built as the Japanese Toyota's but there is an abvious design difference between the two. The Sequioa is clearly after sales.
I remember a time when Toyota would sacrifice certain feature for better build quality and refinement and it cleary there on the 2008 Toyota Land Cruiser. Sure there are no cooling seats, trick suspension or this. But 4 zone climate, 28 vents, a very well integrated Nav system is all there.
The first gen Tundra/Seqiuoa were cleary Japanese designed with emphasis on quality and refinement over features and ammentities. Not so with this Sequoia....total USA design...are Americans/Canadians that dumb to not notice cost cutting.
Did I mention the Camry v6 was removed from Consumer Reports reccomended list..
I agree with you on this Post Toyota made a nitch for themselves and Now faced with the Same quality that has made Gm and Ford so bad. I guess when you get larger that is expected right. Toyota has done a lot of cheap cost cutting and I refuse to buy that just like it's lame Pos plastic Tacoma bed used on the 05 up Tacoma. Sorry But Toyota cost cutting will hurt it's bottom line later on with customers.
Every insightful response. Lends a lot of credibility to your position.
Excuse me what does credibility have to do with proven fact's? i've had a lot of intrest imforming member on Tundra changes last 5 year's and key changes or shows like Detriot. why dont we Ask the media who has the same number of complaints or our Ts Owners with the same number of issues I rest my case
My position on Ts is Take it or leave it pretty well stated on record how i deal with thing's since i've been a member 8 plus year's.I dont form opinions with the Majority on hear and pretty well state opinions as i see fit like Pagemaster giving his too.Yes Key word is respect content which doesn't happen on ts very well to some degree but hey it's the nature of the Internet sadly.
Wow...
I don't think toyota is the best, but saying that is the worst?
I am not saying US Goverment and economy sux / but if compare to other country(s), and say that is sux.... - you guys going to tell me to move to that country, which is better - right?
Honest truth is that, there no car that is flawless, and ideal for everyone, for cheap. So we pick great car (value, fuel/towing ratio), practical for our purposes. I wish it would be a bit better,but when i hear that toyota avalon nav system sux? and we are talking about sequoia, with 5th Gen Nav system, which is by far better then any avalon nav to begin with. Another thing: Have you guys seing what happends to Dodge Ram dashboards here in FL? Same year Tundra dashboard is just fine (and both of them are plastic). Even plastic may look a bit cheap, but i prefer it over crappy vinyl with foam in it!
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Toyota has done a lot of cheap cost cutting and I refuse to buy that just like it's lame Pos plastic Tacoma bed used on the 05 up Tacoma. Sorry But Toyota cost cutting will hurt it's bottom line later on with customers.
I am not that against the Toyota Tacoma bed but the some of the interior parts and components from anything 2005 and up has been cost cut. Yes they have added features such as puddle lamps, and mirror signals (because many people believe that they NEEDS) require them when I reality they don't.
I remember a time when Toyota had metal screens on top of their Toyota truck headlamps...I also remember a time when Toyota had plastic covers for the seat anchors.
Tundra8, BTW I agree with you that the 08 Sequoia Nav is a poor design and that there are other vehicles and portable GPS's with far better designs. Nav is important but its nowhere near as important as seating, power, towing, comfort, flexibility and probably a dozen other features in an suv that matter more than the Nav.
Considering that you can't change the seating, power, towing capability and comfort in an SUV without dramatic investments and that the GPS can be addressed with relatively minor upgrades by comparison, it would seem rather short-sighted to choose another SUV merely because it has a better Nav system, particularly if the other more important features are less than the Sequoia's.
Tundra8, BTW I agree with you that the 08 Sequoia Nav is a poor design and that there are other vehicles and portable GPS's with far better designs. Nav is important but its nowhere near as important as seating, power, towing, comfort, flexibility and probably a dozen other features in an suv that matter more than the Nav.
Considering that you can't change the seating, power, towing capability and comfort in an SUV without dramatic investments and that the GPS can be addressed with relatively minor upgrades by comparison, it would seem rather short-sighted to choose another SUV merely because it has a better Nav system, particularly if the other more important features are less than the Sequoia's.
I'll kill the navi topic for good Welcome relief for all you guys I know
Navi was key to my mom shopping because Toyota Limits and Locks you out her new accord doesn't have that.Yes I know it's a legal madder and we can thank all the attorney out there
For me having oem Toyota Navi and Going to aftermarket was key because I wanted something better in term's of features.I will have to say I admire the look on Oem because it belongs there but nothing special in term's of features i need and want.I hope Toyota can understand this in the near future.Have you seen Ford synk system?
I'll kill the navi topic for good Welcome relief for all you guys I know
Navi was key to my mom shopping because Toyota Limits and Locks you out her new accord doesn't have that.Yes I know it's a legal madder and we can thank all the attorney out there
For me having oem Toyota Navi and Going to aftermarket was key because I wanted something better in term's of features.I will have to say I admire the look on Oem because it belongs there but nothing special in term's of features i need and want.I hope Toyota can understand this in the near future.Have you seen Ford synk system?
To be honest, I don't think any topic should be killed and my guess is that we will be revisiting the Sequoia Nav deficiencies as more 08 Sequoias hit the road in the coming months. There's alot of smart folks out there and I'm sure people will find creative ways to get past Toyota's lawyers and force the nav system to be be better than it was designed to be. Maybe not to the level of the best system's out there, but better than it currently is.
Considering that you can't change the seating, power, towing capability and comfort in an SUV without dramatic investments and that the GPS can be addressed with relatively minor upgrades by comparison, it would seem rather short-sighted to choose another SUV merely because it has a better Nav system, particularly if the other more important features are less than the Sequoia's.
Disagree... The Land Cruiser/ Lx570 did not skip on comfort with 4 zone independent climate, 4 heated seats, 28 interior HVAC vents, 4 full auto up/down windows, soft padded A, B, C and D pilars.....BTW..they fully integrated the navigation system with audio, navigation, climate control etc in fully full unit.
With the Sequoia it is a big miss mash with good features such as nterior flexibility, confort but yet is has cheap materials, lame navigation and rediculous price hike. ..all for sales and none for long term ownership.
Disagree... The Land Cruiser/ Lx570 did not skip on comfort with 4 zone independent climate, 4 heated seats, 28 interior HVAC vents, 4 full auto up/down windows, soft padded A, B, C and D pilars.....BTW..they fully integrated the navigation system with audio, navigation, climate control etc in fully full unit.
With the Sequoia it is a big miss mash with good features such as nterior flexibility, confort but yet is has cheap materials, lame navigation and rediculous price hike. ..all for sales and none for long term ownership.
Did I mention there are not seat anchor covers.
Well, then you prepare extra 10k for LC LOL
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2006 Toyota Sequoia Limited 4x4 w/ lxr package, 7008 navi, rear entartaiment system, 20" x-sp enkei.
2001 Toyota Tundra SR5 4x4 - TRD 9+Psi Supercharged, JBA Ceramic Headers, Walboro 255LPH Fuel Pump, 1UZ Rods, 20" x-sp enkei wheels, 7009 navi w/custom JBL wire harness + OEM XM/Sirus radio, drive by wire, and many other mods.
Disagree... The Land Cruiser/ Lx570 did not skip on comfort with 4 zone independent climate, 4 heated seats, 28 interior HVAC vents, 4 full auto up/down windows, soft padded A, B, C and D pilars.....BTW..they fully integrated the navigation system with audio, navigation, climate control etc in fully full unit.
With the Sequoia it is a big miss mash with good features such as nterior flexibility, confort but yet is has cheap materials, lame navigation and rediculous price hike. ..all for sales and none for long term ownership.
Did I mention there are not seat anchor covers.
You're kidding..... right? The Sequoia has 3 climate zones, 4 heated seats (Platinum), I have no clue how many HVAC vents (comments?), driver auto/up down window and I have no idea if the other windows have it (comments?), and why should I care if the pillars are padded?...I'm not planning to sleep against the pillars (BTW I don't even know if the "pillars" are padded in the Sequoia since I don't even know what that is).
The Nav unit is fully integrated as far as I know into the audio so I'm not sure I understand your point.
The LX/LC is still based on an outdated platform using a solid rear axle vs the Sequoia's 4 wheel independent suspension. You can expect to see the LX/LC disappear from the US market as American consumers know when they are getting ripped off and the LX/LC platform is a rip-off that is best suited for consumers in the ROW that don't know better.
BTW, those anchor covers aren't worth $15-20K to me. I'll take the fold flat 3rd row seat, 4 wheel IRS, significantly larger interior and larger tow capacity of the Sequoia any day of the week over the LC/LX (and enjoy keeping the extra $20K in my investment portfolio).
I think you all forget one thing. The USA fell inlove with Japan made/designed Toyotas, now the transition to USA made/designed Toyotas result in our opinions of lack luster quality.
The Landcruiser is still Japan made and will be much different than a SUV strictly made for the USA consumer.
The quality is still expectional comparatively speaking.
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I think you all forget one thing. The USA fell inlove with Japan made/designed Toyotas, now the transition to USA made/designed Toyotas result in our opinions of lack luster quality.
The Landcruiser is still Japan made and will be much different than a SUV strictly made for the USA consumer.
The quality is still expectional comparatively speaking.
I'm not sure how you've concluded that the USA "fell in love with Japan made/designed Toyotas". If you're talking about Japan made SUVs by Toyota you need look no further than the sales volume of the Japan made LX/LC to conclude that the USA has definitely not fallen in love these vehicles. They have always been minor in terms of sales volume vs the so-called "inferior" alternative mid-size and large suvs made in the US.
In Jan of 2008 (US Sales), Toyota sold 2377 Sequoias (and they have barely ramped up production on this new model), 460 Land Cruisers and 710 LX570's. For 2008 Toyota will likely sell 12x Sequoias to LCs and 9x Sequoias to LX570's.
Re: 2008 Toyota Sequoia interior....What a shame
. Toyota has done a lot of cheap cost cutting and I refuse to buy that just like it's lame Pos plastic Tacoma bed used on the 05 up Tacoma. Sorry But Toyota cost cutting will hurt it's bottom line later on with customers.
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