You're kidding..... right? The Sequoia has 3 climate zones, 4 heated seats (Platinum), I have no clue how many HVAC vents (comments?), driver auto/up down window and I have no idea if the other windows have it (comments?),.
Landcruiser has 28 vents inside. I think the Sequioa has 14. Also the Landcruiser has 4 zone climate control compared to 3 zone Sequioa. LX has power folding rear seats. All four windows are power auto up and down whereas the Sequioa also has on the front. Landcruiser has a 8 was passenger seat whereas Sequioa comes with 4 way.
Landcrusier also comes with a 10 airbags (most of any Toyota) and a pre crash system.
ABS also works in both hi and lo range.
Land Cruiser also has dual front tow hooks up front that are inter looped which can be pulled out or lifted up.
Also the Land Cruiser has a fuel door lock which is absent on the Seq.
Land Cruiser also has the keyless start...where is that on the Sequioa...even the Corolla has this feature.
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The Nav unit is fully integrated as far as I know into the audio so I'm not sure I understand your point.
Way more advanced in the Landcruiser. All functions are integrated with the nav system. Test drive a LC and you will understand.
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and why should I care if the pillars are padded?...I'm not planning to sleep against the pillars (BTW I don't even know if the "pillars" are padded in the Sequoia since I don't even know what that is)
All high end top line cars and suvs pad the interior pillars. This has been industry standard for years. Lexus did cut a bit out of the LX however. Even Avalon covers it. all lexus models do this as well. Most higher end vehicles also have rear taillights that LED and the 200 series has them as well.
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solid rear axle vs the Sequoia's 4 wheel independent suspension
While the Landcruiser lacks the IRS...it makes up in off road capability which includes KDSS and a crawl control feature...if ride is important then the Lx570 provides a very similar ride control system to the Seqiuioa.
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larger interior and larger tow capacity of the Sequoia
Only a larger tow capacity in stripped down 2wd version of 5.7. big deal. Otherwise it is 8750lb for Sequioa while LC is 8500lbs in similar equipped vehicles. The 200 series also can haul a little more than the Sequioa 1500lbs vs 1200lb which I read there is a thread in the Seqiuoa forum about low payload. So with the larger interior of the Sequioa you can haul larger items but in the 200 series you can haul heavier items.
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In Jan of 2008 (US Sales), Toyota sold 2377 Sequoias (and they have barely ramped up production on this new model), 460 Land Cruisers and 710 LX570's. For 2008 Toyota will likely sell 12x Sequoias to LCs and 9x Sequoias to LX570's
Not sure if you know but the Land Cruiser 200 series is sold in well over 100 countries around the world and has a full production line. It includes left/right hand drive vehicles. Four engines and three transmissions. They include 4.0, 4.7, 5.7 gas and an outstanding 4.5 litre diesel (that gets 10.3 litres per 100km combined) that is hooked up to the same transmission in the 5.7 gas. I would look outside the USA box before you conclude that the Landcruiser does not sell well. Toyota has sold over 5 million Landcruisers since the 50's. The Land Cruiser is so well know that they still actually make the 70 series for some markets that require a payload capacity of up to 2500 lbs.
Finally...I know you are convinced from your other posts that I have read from you that the Sequioa comes with a Torsen limited slip centre differential. Well. I am not convinced. I have yet to read any conclusive CONCRETE evidence that shows that the Sequioa has this features. It was reported in one piece of literature a while ago but I believe that it was a typo. Toyota.com and Toyota.ca do not list the Torsen differential as a mechanical feature on either of their website but Toyota does list the Torsen for 4runner,FJ, Land Cruiser and LX570...seems odd to me.
Also I have emailed Torsen and they have said that to their knowledge only Japanese plants have this feature. I can COPY you or FWD the emails to you if you want to read them.
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In Jan of 2008 (US Sales), Toyota sold 2377 Sequoias (and they have barely ramped up production on this new model), 460 Land Cruisers and 710 LX570's. For 2008 Toyota will likely sell 12x Sequoias to LCs and 9x Sequoias to LX570's.
Quality over quantity....I would rather have something that is of higher quality than something that sells very well.
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If you're talking about Japan made SUVs by Toyota you need look no further than the sales volume of the Japan made LX/LC to conclude that the USA has definitely not fallen in love these vehicles
I think he was refering to Japan made Toyota's vs. American made Toyota.
And BTW.
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If you're talking about Japan made SUVs by Toyota
Last time I checked. The highlander, 4runner, Land Cruiser 70 series, Fortuna, FJ, Land Cruiser, GX470, LX570, Rav4 are all SUVs and are made in Japan where as the Sequioa is made in USA (and sells at 60k yearly volume which is not high for worldwide) as well as the RX350 which is actually produced in in Canada
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I think you all forget one thing. The USA fell inlove with Japan made/designed Toyotas, now the transition to USA made/designed Toyotas result in our opinions of lack luster quality.
The Landcruiser is still Japan made and will be much different than a SUV strictly made for the USA consumer.
The quality is still expectional comparatively speaking.
Overall initial Quality from the Japan made Toyota and Lexus product's are expectational well made vs the USA counter parts Toyota product's.There are a few exceptions to this general rule like for example like the casting cam problems on the 5.7 liter early batch engine problems in Japan.Outsourced was to blame the problem from but the Alabama Engine plant is at full production operation and the problem's fixed hopefully
I do very well agree with you On Americans felling in Love with Toyota and ask yourself why that is?The start on Toyota Truck's was the bullet proof 2.2r engine and There Top selling Camry Sedan.Toyota didn't built itself in one year or two year's this took decades for Toyota to see the light and build off errors.Honda right now is reinventing itself on the market look at the Ridge-line Truck and the Pilot.Looking at the History on the Toyota Truck the 94-98 T100 was a trial and error run and Toyota took it at heart.When Toyota took that truck to the industry I knew very well it's failures were it's head gasket 3.4 V6 problems/weak engine and higher price point on the Japan Tariffs exchange rate didn't cut it with Truck buyers.Toyota very well addressed these issues on the 2000 Tundra from building the Princeton Indiania plant and Texas later on.The 2000 Tundra was a sells success and Toyota knew very well this was a start build up on what's expected to come.
I think where current loyal Customer's including myself have a huge concern is the overall direction on Quality controls Toyota has taken in the last few year's. This is clearly very evident there is some concerns going on from media and owners.Number one Cost cutting is a major issue with Customers and on record none of us want warranty problems down the line.Prime examples on Toyota Cost cutting are the Tacoma for 05-current who's plastic Smc bed very well defines cheap breaking Non cutting edge technology i wouldn't expect in a pickup period. Yes some might say were all picky but Sadly I think Toyota really needs to consire these factors when designing a product.Problems take away from the overall ownership experience .Toyota has handled themselves very well when problems do arise but dealerships are another story. My experience are most dealerships are not properly trained on new product's and Concerns go on without notice but that's nothing new in any sector yet alone Toyota Motor Sales.
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LX has power folding rear seats. Landcruiser has a 8 was passenger seat whereas Sequioa comes with 4 way.
The LX and LC seats do not fold flat into the floor like the Sequoia and instead take up a significant amount of space in the LC/LX when folded up against the side windows. Very dumb design. Actually the Sequoia has 12-way seats in the Platinum (10-way Limited) to the 8-way seats in the LC.
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Test drive a LC and you will understand.
I have...twice...the ride is far superior in the Sequoia to the LC.
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While the Landcruiser lacks IRS ... it makes up in off road capability which includes KDSS and a crawl control feature...if ride is important then the Lx570 provides a very similar ride control system to the Sequoia.
Actually, the LX, LC and the Sequoia have nearly the exact same drivetrain with 2 differences ...the crawl feature in the LX/LC (minor difference) and the IRS (major difference) in the Sequoia. Like I really need my engine computer to maintain a 3mph crawl while driving my $70K suv through the Grand Canyon....give me a break. I'll take the IRS over the Crawl feature any day. The LC, LX and the Sequoia are all lacking a rear LSD which makes many other suvs superior to all three of these vehicles when it comes to off-roading.... not withstanding the LC "safari image" folks might have in their heads.
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Only a larger tow capacity in stripped down 2wd version of 5.7. big deal. Otherwise it is 8750lb for Sequioa while LC is 8500lbs in similar equipped vehicles. The 200 series also can haul a little more than the Sequioa 1500lbs vs 1200lb which I read there is a thread in the Seqiuoa forum about low payload. So with the larger interior of the Sequioa you can haul larger items but in the 200 series you can haul heavier items.
Wrong again. The full-size 4wd SR5 Sequoia has a tow rating of 9600lbs to the mid-szed LX/LC tow rating of 8500lbs. A 4wd LTD has a tow rating of 9100lbs.
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Not sure if you know but the Land Cruiser 200 series is sold in well over 100 countries around the world and has a full production line.
I'm quite familiar with the overseas LC and have rented them in the past. I pointed out that the LC -200 series didn't sell well inside the US. I said it was a vehicle with non-existent unit sales in the US that IMO was destined to be dropped by ToyotaUSA in favor of the Sequoia and a Lexus version of the Sequoia in the future. Its just a matter of time given that the LC will likely sell far less than 10,000 units this year in the US.
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Finally...I know you are convinced from your other posts that the Sequioa comes with a Torsen limited slip centre differential. Well. I am not convinced. I have yet to read any conclusive CONCRETE evidence that shows that the Sequioa has this features. It was reported in one piece of literature a while ago but I believe that it was a typo. Toyota.com and Toyota.ca do not list the Torsen differential as a mechanical feature on either of their website but Toyota does not for 4runner,FJ, Land Cruiser and LX570...seems odd to me.
Also I have emailed Torsen and they have said that to their knowledge only Japanese plants have this feature. I can COPY you or FWD the emails to you if you want to read them.
Last time I checked. The highlander, 4runner, Land Cruiser 70 series, Fortuna, FJ, Land Cruiser, GX470, LX570, Rav4 are all SUVs and are made in Japan where as the Sequioa is made in USA (and sells at 60k yearly volume which is not high for worldwide) as well as the RX350 which is actually produced in in Canada
I was making the comparisons between the 3 larger SUVs sold by Toyota in the US. Namely the LX/LC made in Japan and Sequoia made in the US. The LX and LC cost $10-20K more than a Sequoia which IMO is a rip-off. For this additional charge you get very little more in the LX over the Sequoia and definitely less with the LC. You could even make a legitimate argument that with the fold flat seats, IRS, greater tow capacity and larger interior space... that you get more in the Sequoia than the LX, even if they were priced the same.
The main reason the LX/LX are over priced is the $/yen exchange rate, shipping and high labor charges to build these vehicles in Japan vs the non-union manufacturing of the Sequoia.
. Very dumb design. Actually the Sequoia has 12-way seats in the Platinum (10-way Limited) to the 8-way seats in the LC.
I don't know what Toyota.com you are going to...but this is from Toyot.com
.Perforated leather-trimmed heated and cooled front bucket seats with power lumbar and thigh control, 10-way power-adjustable driver's and 4-way power-adjustable passenger seat; perforated leather-trimmed second-row heated bucket seats with multifunction center console and perforated leather-trimmed 60/40 reclining, power-folding and reclining third-row seating
Where do you get this 10 way power thing in the Sequioa.
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Toyota/Lexus/Scion Pressroom: Toyota Unveils All-New 2008 Sequoia At 2007 Los Angeles Auto Show
2008 Toyota Sequoia Preview | J.D. Power
LA Auto Show: 2008 Toyota Sequoia
Toyota Sequoia (2008) with pictures and wallpapers
2008 Toyota Sequoia Road Test Car Reviews - The Car Connection
Unless it is from Toyota.com then I would not trust the material. Below if from Toyota.com
Multi-Mode 4-wheel drive with locking center differential
The above is straight from Toyota.com under Sequioa.
The below is straight from Toyota.com undre Land Cruiser
Full-time 4-wheel-drive system with Torsen®[1] center differential with locking feature
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I'll take the IRS over the Crawl feature any day
Not me.
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Wrong again. The full-size 4wd SR5 Sequoia has a tow rating of 9600lbs to the mid-szed LX/LC tow rating of 8500lbs. A 4wd LTD has a tow rating of 9100lbs
big deal...600lbs more in towing. LC makes up for it in payload.
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Regardless of the email you received, their press release and recently published dealer brochure are sure to be more accurate than the email from Torsen.
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I have...twice...the ride is far superior in the Sequoia to the LC.
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I don't know what Toyota.com you are going to...but this is from Toyot.com
.Perforated leather-trimmed heated and cooled front bucket seats with power lumbar and thigh control, 10-way power-adjustable driver's and 4-way power-adjustable passenger seat; perforated leather-trimmed second-row heated bucket seats with multifunction center console and perforated leather-trimmed 60/40 reclining, power-folding and reclining third-row seating
Where do you get this 10 way power thing in the Sequioa.
Unless it is from Toyota.com then I would not trust the material. Below if from Toyota.com
Multi-Mode 4-wheel drive with locking center differential
The above is straight from Toyota.com under Sequioa.
The below is straight from Toyota.com undre Land Cruiser
Full-time 4-wheel-drive system with Torsen®[1] center differential with locking feature
Not me.
big deal...600lbs more in towing. LC makes up for it in payload.
There must be something wrong with you. I bet you are a minor who does not have a license.
I doubt this...perhaps the license thing.
LMAO....you have not test drove one these. You are full of $hit.
OK page let's leave the doubt stuff to your opinion and not everybody else.I think he has gave his opinion to the best of his ablity that's all that madders in my book.
OK page let's leave the doubt stuff to your opinion and not everybody else.I think he has gave his opinion to the best of his ablity that's all that madders in my book.
Cheers Erik
Ok. I was getting a little carried away. I will delete.
Page, I can only imagine how frustrating it must be when you are so wrong on so many topics, but let me see if I can help you out again.
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I don't know what Toyota.com you are going to...but this is from Toyot.com
.Perforated leather-trimmed heated and cooled front bucket seats with power lumbar and thigh control, 10-way power-adjustable driver's and 4-way power-adjustable passenger seat; perforated leather-trimmed second-row heated bucket seats with multifunction center console and perforated leather-trimmed 60/40 reclining, power-folding and reclining third-row seating
Where do you get this 10 way power thing in the Sequioa.
Are you even reading what you're posting? The very quote you copied says the Sequoia has 10-way power seats. The brochure on the new Sequoia that was released last week now has the most current info on the Sequoia and shows the 10-way seats in the LTD and the 12-way seats in the Platinum.
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Unless it is from Toyota.com then I would not trust the material. Below if from Toyota.com
Multi-Mode 4-wheel drive with locking center differential
The above is straight from Toyota.com under Sequioa.
The below is straight from Toyota.com undre Land Cruiser
Full-time 4-wheel-drive system with Torsen®[1] center differential with locking feature
Not me.
You asked me where I got the information. I told you. There's no need to believe me or all the sources I shared. Go ahead and keep your blinders on. It makes no difference to me. Or if you need more facts call your local dealer and check with the service shop. They have the shop manual and will tell you the same thing they told me. The 08 Sequoia has a Torsen center LSD. Or just feel free to stay in the dark where it appears you are most comfortable.
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big deal...600lbs more in towing. LC makes up for it in payload.
Just trying to help you keep your facts straight...your welcome....
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There must be something wrong with you. I bet you are a minor who does not have a license.
I doubt this...perhaps the license thing.
What... are you now embrassed with your lack of facts? Its OK, you'll be alright in the morning after a good night sleep.
BTW, I probably traveled to more countries around the world last year than you've been to in your entire life. But that's another story. For the record...I've had my license for 34 yrs and have owned 4 Suburbans, 4 BMWs (1-7, 3-5s), 3 Buicks (Riveria boattail, LeSabre, Century), 1 Caddy (restored '75 Eldo convertible), 1 Nissan 4X4 Truck, 1 VW Jetta, 3 Avalons, 2 Pontiacs (LeMans, Grand Prix), 1 Chrysler (Concord), 1 Harley and multiple high-performance boats.
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LMAO....you have not test drove one these. You are full of $hit.
Uhhhh....actually ...yes I did. Now watch your language or I'll be forced to send you to your room without dinner or dessert!
The very quote you copied says the Sequoia has 10-way power seats
This is what I posted..straight from Toyota.com
10-way power-adjustable driver's and 4-way power-adjustable passenger seat;
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The brochure on the new Sequoia that was released last week now has the most current info
Do me a big favor and please scan this in and post it or send it to me via FexEx...you can use my account and I will scan and post it. I quote and follow Toyota.com not some brochure.
[QUOTE][Or if you need more facts call your local dealer and check with the service shop. They have the shop manual and will tell you the same thing they told me. The 08 Sequoia has a Torsen center LSD. Or just feel free to stay in the dark where it appears you are most comfortable.
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Yet Toyota.com the manufacturers website does not state this. Strange!
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I've had my license for
So what does this have to do with owning a Toyota Sequioa..Quantity over quality.
The BMW, Caddy, Avalon and maybe the VK likely have clothed covered A, B, C pillars yet you don't know what that is....
Please scan that brochure in about the seats and Torsen. I would really like to see it.
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Do me a big favor and please scan this in and post it or send it to me via FexEx...you can use my account and I will scan and post it. I quote and follow Toyota.com not some brochure.
I'll post the relevant sections of the brochure post haste...but only if you promise to behave.
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So what does this have to do with owning a Toyota Sequioa..Quantity over quality.
Actually, I was going to ask you the same thing since you suggested I must not really have a drivers license.
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The BMW, Caddy, Avalon and maybe the VK likely have clothed covered A, B, C pillars yet you don't know what that is....
Never noticed...never mattered ....could care less what covers the A,B,C or D pillars. Never heard of anyone that bought a vehicle based on the interior covering of the roof pillars. Must be a new fad...those darn kids..what will they think of next?
I'll post the relevant sections of the brochure post haste...but only if you promise to behave.
Actually, I was going to ask you the same thing since you suggested I must not really have a drivers license.
Never noticed...never mattered ....could care less what covers the A,B,C or D pillars. Never heard of anyone that bought a vehicle based on the interior covering of the roof pillars. Must be a new fad...those darn kids..what will they think of next?
Navigation anybody LOL
I agree with heatwave on this who cares about a padded Pillars does it protect my *** during impact ahh NO how about airbags on sportbikes and Motorcycles (yes honda got it goldwing).Inless i see studies proving how A fabric pillar is going to protect me It has no case or grounds to stand plus who cares with Side curtain airbags already in place.
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Please scan that brochure in about the seats and Torsen. I would really like to see it.
Page, now will you behave? Here's the pages from the 08 Sequoia dealer brochure that describe the Torsen Ctr Diff and the specs page that describe the 12-way power seat in the Platinum and the 10-way in the Limited.
Re: 2008 Toyota Sequoia interior....What a shame
.When Toyota took that truck to the industry I knew very well it's failures were it's head gasket 3.4 V6 problems/weak engine and higher price point on the Japan Tariffs exchange rate didn't cut it with Truck buyers.Toyota very well addressed these issues on the 2000 Tundra from building the Princeton Indiania plant and Texas later on.The 2000 Tundra was a sells success and Toyota knew very well this was a start build up on what's expected to come.
. Yes some might say were all picky but Sadly I think Toyota really needs to consire these factors when designing a product.Problems take away from the overall ownership experience .Toyota has handled themselves very well when problems do arise but dealerships are another story. My experience are most dealerships are not properly trained on new product's and Concerns go on without notice but that's nothing new in any sector yet alone Toyota Motor Sales.
how about airbags on sportbikes and Motorcycles (yes honda got it goldwing).Inless i see studies proving how A fabric pillar is going to protect me It has no case or grounds to stand plus who cares with Side curtain airbags already in place.
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