2008 Toyota Sequoia interior....What a shame

[tinik]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

Landcruiser has 28 vents inside. I think the Sequioa has 14. Also the Landcruiser has 4 zone climate control compared to 3 zone Sequioa. LX has power folding rear seats. All four windows are power auto up and down whereas the Sequioa also has on the front. Landcruiser has a 8 was passenger seat whereas Sequioa comes with 4 way.

Landcrusier also comes with a 10 airbags (most of any Toyota) and a pre crash system.
ABS also works in both hi and lo range.
Land Cruiser also has dual front tow hooks up front that are inter looped which can be pulled out or lifted up.
Also the Land Cruiser has a fuel door lock which is absent on the Seq.
Land Cruiser also has the keyless start...where is that on the Sequioa...even the Corolla has this feature.



Way more advanced in the Landcruiser. All functions are integrated with the nav system. Test drive a LC and you will understand.



All high end top line cars and suvs pad the interior pillars. This has been industry standard for years. Lexus did cut a bit out of the LX however. Even Avalon covers it. all lexus models do this as well. Most higher end vehicles also have rear taillights that LED and the 200 series has them as well.



While the Landcruiser lacks the IRS...it makes up in off road capability which includes KDSS and a crawl control feature...if ride is important then the Lx570 provides a very similar ride control system to the Seqiuioa.



Only a larger tow capacity in stripped down 2wd version of 5.7. big deal. Otherwise it is 8750lb for Sequioa while LC is 8500lbs in similar equipped vehicles. The 200 series also can haul a little more than the Sequioa 1500lbs vs 1200lb which I read there is a thread in the Seqiuoa forum about low payload. So with the larger interior of the Sequioa you can haul larger items but in the 200 series you can haul heavier items.



Not sure if you know but the Land Cruiser 200 series is sold in well over 100 countries around the world and has a full production line. It includes left/right hand drive vehicles. Four engines and three transmissions. They include 4.0, 4.7, 5.7 gas and an outstanding 4.5 litre diesel (that gets 10.3 litres per 100km combined) that is hooked up to the same transmission in the 5.7 gas. I would look outside the USA box before you conclude that the Landcruiser does not sell well. Toyota has sold over 5 million Landcruisers since the 50's. The Land Cruiser is so well know that they still actually make the 70 series for some markets that require a payload capacity of up to 2500 lbs.

Finally...I know you are convinced from your other posts that I have read from you that the Sequioa comes with a Torsen limited slip centre differential. Well. I am not convinced. I have yet to read any conclusive CONCRETE evidence that shows that the Sequioa has this features. It was reported in one piece of literature a while ago but I believe that it was a typo. Toyota.com and Toyota.ca do not list the Torsen differential as a mechanical feature on either of their website but Toyota does list the Torsen for 4runner,FJ, Land Cruiser and LX570...seems odd to me.

Also I have emailed Torsen and they have said that to their knowledge only Japanese plants have this feature. I can COPY you or FWD the emails to you if you want to read them.

Hey, If you love LC so much, then why start bashing a guy who loves sequoia? My neighbor has LX470 and i have Sequoia. Every time we talk about our cars, by far Lexus is much better then Sequoia, but you never look at the price difference.

Yes, Lexus has all of the options that you like, except that 72k tag?

Remember when gas was $1 for a gallon not too long time ago? What about our grosseries, taxes, insurance, tolls? Everything got inflated, cause US Dollar is loosing value comparing to other countrys. If you actually think, LC or LX is not expensive proportional to old prices.

If you love LC or LX save extra cash, and get it. For me, I love that Sequoia is a little bit bigger, and obviously, when I'll pay 52k for Plat 4x4, I will most likely keep it on pavement 99% of times. True, there is more options in LC, but who cares? How much time do you spend in you car? is it worth all of the options, for the price tag? On the other hand, if you have lots of money, and love LC, - why cry about price?

[pagemaster]

Originally Posted by Heatwave3

Page, now will you behave? Here's the pages from the 08 Sequoia dealer brochure that describe the Torsen Ctr Diff and the specs page that describe the 12-way power seat in the Platinum and the 10-way in the Limited.

Thanks Heatwave. I appreciate that you scanned in the pages. Under the interior section of the Seqiuoa it says 4 way power passenger seat. That is what I have been saying all this time. Now with the Land Cruiser it goes to 8 way adjustable seat.

Now as for the Torsen. It says Torsen limited slip do its work. It says so in mine as well but there is no explanation of it anywhere in the book other than page 10. Nothing on the website either.

Not sure about your brochure but it states in mine on the very last page "Every effort has been made to ensure the specs are accurate based on the information available at the time of printing.......The Toyota website Toyota.ca or your Toyota dealer is thebest source of up to date information.

Yet the website says the Sequoia has 10 way driver and 4 way passenger.

I would hate to see someone purchase this vehicle based on false information..especially in regards to the limited slip centre differential which is mysteriously absent from the website but appears briefly in print. Strange?

[Heatwave3]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

Thanks Heatwave. I appreciate that you scanned in the pages. Under the interior section of the Seqiuoa it says 4 way power passenger seat. That is what I have been saying all this time. Now with the Land Cruiser it goes to 8 way adjustable seat.

Now as for the Torsen. It says Torsen limited slip do its work. It says so in mine as well but there is no explanation of it anywhere in the book other than page 10. Nothing on the website either.

Not sure about your brochure but it states in mine on the very last page "Every effort has been made to ensure the specs are accurate based on the information available at the time of printing.......The Toyota website Toyota.ca or your Toyota dealer is thebest source of up to date information.



Yet the website says the Sequoia has 10 way driver and 4 way passenger.

I would hate to see someone purchase this vehicle based on false information..especially in regards to the limited slip centre differential which is mysteriously absent from the website but appears briefly in print. Strange?

Page you're a riot. Who cares whether the passenger seat is 8 or 4 way? What matters is the driver seat and its more comfortable in the sequoia than the LC. You focus on some of the most inane facets of a vehicle and then attempt to turn them into decision points. My friend...you are over reaching. Stick to things that matter to the vast majority of the human race and make a case for or against. Picking out covers on bolts as a consideration in the buying process of a new car is simply silly.

Not sure what it would take to get you to admit you're wrong about the Torsen. Seems like you prefer being in the dark. The fact that some literature or sites might not include reference to the Torsen is a non-issue IMO. 99.99% of folks don't even know what it is. I do and I'm glad the sequoia has it. The fact that some literature promotes it and others do not is not a surprise to me.

There are many technical features like the fully-boxed frame that is also an advantage for the Sequoia but rarely referenced.

My guess is that they do no overly promote some of these features because they don't exist on the Tundra (boxed frame and Torsen for example) which is a competitive disadvantage in the truck market. Hard to make a case that these are good features in the Sequoia and then turn around and say they're not needed in trucks when you competition has them. But that's just a guess on my part.

[Heatwave3]

For those that are interested, this company just came out with a pretty comprehensive package of real wood, synthetic wood, plastic and carbon fiber dash kits for the 08 Sequoia. The new kit for the 08 Sequoia includes 76 pieces to really dress up the interior from front to rear. I think it may be a real consideration (real wood) for my soon to be delivered Platinum.

Anyone know anything about this company's real wood dash kits?

Toyota Dash Kits, Wood Dash Kits, Trim Dash Kits, Wood Grain Dash Kit, Carbon Fiber Dash Kit, Molded Dash Kits

[el_madmaster]

These look pretty good. What's the difference between flat and molded kits?

[Heatwave3]

Originally Posted by el_madmaster

These look pretty good. What's the difference between flat and molded kits?

I'm not exactly sure of the difference. Maybe someone has a better answer. I think the molded versions are only in plastic and are already molded to exactly fit the curves of the piece being covered. I also think these kits are thicker overall.

The flat kits, I think, are thinner veneers that can bend easier to fit the curves of the oem trim piece you are covering.

[pagemaster]

[quote][If you love LC or LX save extra cash, and get it. For me, I love that Sequoia is a little bit bigger, and obviously, when I'll pay 52k for Plat 4x4, I will most likely keep it on pavement 99% of times. True, there is more options in LC, but who cares? How much time do you spend in you car? is it worth all of the options, for the price tag? On the other hand, if you have lots of money, and love LC, - why cry about price?/QUOTE]

For me the price does not matter. Times have always been good in my house so I am not too worried about saving cash. What is more important about needs to me is built quality and details of the vehicle and capability.

I have no trouble trading power folding flat rear seats (I already have a truck) and independent rear suspension for something that is used all over the world in the toughest conditions. Something that has a fully indegrated nav, hvac and radio system, 4 zone climate, 28 interior vents, KDSS, 300 lb more payload (than Seqiuoa, LED tail lights, crawl control and Japan details such as covered pillar, full 8 way power passenger seat, most airbags in any Toyota, push button start, covered seat anchors and more. The cheapness of the 2008 Seqiuoa is down right rediculous...I mean, even the base level Toyota Corolla has push button start yet the 55K Seqiuoa does not. If they would work on the interior and fully define the design and the details than I think it would be the best SUV.

I think Toyota Seqiuoa is by far the best full size North American SUV on the market when it competes against the Armada, Yukon, Expedition and Durango but there is no way that the Sequioa is a premium SUV. . I also have no doubt that the SEquioa is just a reliable as any other Toyota regardless of where it was built but I do doubt that it has the same classic design of Toyota's that were introduced to NA consumers before cost cutting took place and cheap interiors took place.


. I guess others disagree.

[VernSchillinger]

Guys, at this juncture, lets just agree to disagree and move on. We're at a point where this is simply not productive.

[Heatwave3]

[quote=pagemaster;934373]

[If you love LC or LX save extra cash, and get it. For me, I love that Sequoia is a little bit bigger, and obviously, when I'll pay 52k for Plat 4x4, I will most likely keep it on pavement 99% of times. True, there is more options in LC, but who cares? How much time do you spend in you car? is it worth all of the options, for the price tag? On the other hand, if you have lots of money, and love LC, - why cry about price?/QUOTE]

For me the price does not matter. Times have always been good in my house so I am not too worried about saving cash. What is more important about needs to me is built quality and details of the vehicle and capability.

I have no trouble trading power folding flat rear seats (I already have a truck) and independent rear suspension for something that is used all over the world in the toughest conditions. Something that has a fully indegrated nav, hvac and radio system, 4 zone climate, 28 interior vents, KDSS, 300 lb more payload (than Seqiuoa, LED tail lights, crawl control and Japan details such as covered pillar, full 8 way power passenger seat, most airbags in any Toyota, push button start, covered seat anchors and more. The cheapness of the 2008 Seqiuoa is down right rediculous...I mean, even the base level Toyota Corolla has push button start yet the 55K Seqiuoa does not. If they would work on the interior and fully define the design and the details than I think it would be the best SUV.

I think Toyota Seqiuoa is by far the best full size North American SUV on the market when it competes against the Armada, Yukon, Expedition and Durango but there is no way that the Sequioa is a premium SUV. . I also have no doubt that the SEquioa is just a reliable as any other Toyota regardless of where it was built but I do doubt that it has the same classic design of Toyota's that were introduced to NA consumers before cost cutting took place and cheap interiors took place.


. I guess others disagree.

It all comes down to what is important to you. Sounds like covered seat bolts, padded pillars, passenger seat controls, push button start and # of interior vents while giving up a fold flat 3rd row seat, more interior space and an IRS are worth an extra $20K to you.

For me the advantage of IRS, fold flat seats and more interior space while giving up a few covered seat bolts, padded pillars, some passenger seat controls, push button start and a few interior vents will give me a better vehicle/value.

Plus Toyota will write me a check for $20K to buy the Sequoia instead of the LC/LX. Seems like a no-brainer to me and the majority of folks choosing the Sequoia over the LX/LC platform in the US.

[pagemaster]

][EQUOTE=Heatwave3;934424]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

It all comes down to what is important to you. Sounds like covered seat bolts, padded pillars, passenger seat controls, push button start and # of interior vents while giving up a fold flat 3rd row seat, more interior space and an IRS are worth an extra $20K to you.

For me the advantage of IRS, fold flat seats and more interior space while giving up a few covered seat bolts, padded pillars, some passenger seat controls, push button start and a few interior vents will give me a better vehicle/value.

Plus Toyota will write me a check for $20K to buy the Sequoia instead of the LC/LX. Seems like a no-brainer to me and the majority of folks choosing the Sequoia over the LX/LC platform in the US.

No actually. You really seem to need to defend your purchase of the Sequioa over the LC.

Just to set they record straight. The Land Cruiser lacks IRS, fold flat rear window, a few extra pounds in tow capacity compared to similar equipped SUV. Where the LC excels and compares to higher end SUVs such as Rand Rover are

1. 4 zone independent HVAC
2. 28 interior HVAC vents...twice as many vents Sequioa.
3. Pre crash system
4. FULLY integrated NAVI, hvac, radio system
5. Japanese sourced and speced 4.0, 4.7, 4.5 (diesel) and yes 5.7 iForce.
6. Cooler box
7. ADVERTISED on Toyota.com Torsen limted slip differential..I like the facts.
8. The most airbags in ANY Toyota.
9. Crawl control
10. Hi and lo range ABS
11. KDSS and XAHC on LX and UK sourced LC.
12. full 8 way power passenger seat.
13. Same GVWR yet a lighter vehicle than Seq
14. 1500lb payload compared to just 1200 for Seq.
15. All four window are auto up/down which also slow down up closing aka ls460
16. All soft interior door pieces.
17. Three different memory seating configurations compared to two.
18. Front and side cameras on LX570.
19. Power 2nd row seats on LX and power third row seats.
20. three level heated rear seats compared to two zone heated rear in Seq.
21. 4 zone front driver, passenger, 2nd row passenger footwell lighting.

All these are the differences between a USA based Sequioa sold in two markets in volumes of 55k compared to the 200 series which is a PREMIUM product which put Toyota on the map in USA which is sold in well over 100 countries at 200k or more levels.

BTW...discounts are going at about $8k for Toyota Land Cruiser.

Plus Toyota will write me a check for $20K

Perhaps you Americans don't notice the finer details in things....

[Heatwave3]

Originally Posted by pagemaster

][EQUOTE=Heatwave3;934424]

No actually. You really seem to need to defend your purchase of the Sequioa over the LC.

Just to set they record straight. The Land Cruiser lacks IRS, fold flat rear window, a few extra pounds in tow capacity compared to similar equipped SUV. Where the LC excels and compares to higher end SUVs such as Rand Rover are

1. 4 zone independent HVAC
2. 28 interior HVAC vents...twice as many vents Sequioa.
3. Pre crash system
4. FULLY integrated NAVI, hvac, radio system
5. Japanese sourced and speced 4.0, 4.7, 4.5 (diesel) and yes 5.7 iForce.
6. Cooler box
7. ADVERTISED on Toyota.com Torsen limted slip differential..I like the facts.
8. The most airbags in ANY Toyota.
9. Crawl control
10. Hi and lo range ABS
11. KDSS and XAHC on LX and UK sourced LC.
12. full 8 way power passenger seat.
13. Same GVWR yet a lighter vehicle than Seq
14. 1500lb payload compared to just 1200 for Seq.
15. All four window are auto up/down which also slow down up closing aka ls460
16. All soft interior door pieces.
17. Three different memory seating configurations compared to two.
18. Front and side cameras on LX570.
19. Power 2nd row seats on LX and power third row seats.
20. three level heated rear seats compared to two zone heated rear in Seq.

All these are the differences between a USA based Sequioa sold in two markets in volumes of 55k compared to the 200 series which is a PREMIUM product which put Toyota on the map in USA which is sold in well over 100 countries at 200k or more levels.

BTW...discounts are going at about $8k for Toyota Land Cruiser.

[QUOT]Plus Toyota will write me a check for $20K

Perhaps you Americans don't notice the finer details in things....[/quote]

No actually. You really seem to need to defend your purchase of the LC over the Sequoia.

1. 4 zone independent HVAC ...BS..the cabin is not the size of an airport. 4 zones will give no greater comfort to the occupants than 3 zones (which probably isn't really that much better than 2 zones)
2. 28 interior HVAC vents...twice as many vents Sequioa. What...are you trying to blow dry your hair on the drive to work in the morning?
3. Pre crash system - Give me a break...literally
4. FULLY integrated NAVI, hvac, radio system The Sequoia Nav system is fully integrated into the audio system. Where are you getting your facts...Canada? that's your first mistake.
5. Japanese sourced and speced 4.0, 4.7, 4.5 (diesel) and yes 5.7 iForce. The diesels aren't available in the US. Your reaching again as usual. Is the cold getting to you?
6. Cooler box Don't you really need a "heater box" in Canada?
7. ADVERTISED on Toyota.com Torsen limted slip differential..I like the facts. Take your blinders off.. or not...enjoy your fantasyland as the Sequoia has a Torsen Ctr diff as confirmed by the Toyota Press Release, Toyota Sequoia brochure and shop manual. Page...this is your alarm clock RINGING...it's time to wake up.
8. The most airbags in ANY Toyota. I thought Pagemaster had that record.
9. Crawl control For those challenging days the LX/LC will spend in traffic trying to get to the office
10. Hi and lo range ABS Come on...Exactly what possible advantage with this give you in the real world. Sounds like your a naieve consumer easily swayed by advertising.
11. KDSS and XAHC on LX and UK sourced LC. Sounds like you're trying to double dip on this very weak feature.
12. full 8 way power passenger seat. Whoopee that'll be a great selling point.
13. Same GVWR yet a lighter vehicle than Seq. LX needs premium fuel and gets worse gas mileage than the heavier Sequoia. Aren't you worried about global warming and melting the ice cap around your home in the great white north?
14. 1500lb payload compared to just 1200 for Seq. Sequoia Tow rating of 9600lbs vs the LX/LC 8500 lbs
15. All four window are auto up/down which also slow down up closing aka ls460 Can't comment as I don't know what the Sequoia Plat. has.
16. All soft interior door pieces. Sounds like your writing a porn movie script. Are you driving your new LX/LC or having a child with it?
17. Three different memory seating configurations compared to two. Are you a Mormon? I only have 1 wife therefore no need for the 3 memory settings.
18. Front and side cameras on LX570. What an absolute waste and driving hazard. You're gonna be watching the TV screen as you're wrecking your LX into the object you're watching on the TV instead of seeing out the window.
19. Power 2nd row seats on LX and power third row seats. Sequoia has manual 2nd row and power 3rd reclining as well as power fully flat folding 3rd row seats not available on LX or LC.
20. three level heated rear seats compared to two zone heated rear in Seq. Don't know how many seat heating levels on the 2nd row of Sequoia. Don't you think your starting to pull some of these alleged advantages out of your back side?

Perhaps you Americans don't notice the finer details in things....

Perhaps Canadians don't understand that the finer detail in this entire discussion is that the Sequoia is a better vehicle and the most important detail is the xtra $20K in the bank as a bonus.

BTW...discounts are going at about $8k for Toyota Land Cruiser.

Toyota better plan on offering even greater discounts because even if the LC were the same price as the Sequoia, the Sequoia would outsell the LC 10:1. Face it...the LC is simply an outdated design built on a 15 year old platform for customers that don't know better and want the image of driving across the Serengeti when in reality they're just making the daily drudge to the office.

[Tundrav8yamaha]

Originally Posted by Heatwave3

Perhaps you Americans don't notice the finer details in things....

No actually. You really seem to need to defend your purchase of the LC over the Sequoia.

1. 4 zone independent HVAC ...BS..the cabin is not the size of an airport. 4 zones will give no greater comfort to the occupants than 3 zones (which probably isn't really that much better than 2 zones)
2. 28 interior HVAC vents...twice as many vents Sequioa. What...are you trying to blow dry your hair on the drive to work in the morning?
3. Pre crash system - Give me a break...literally
4. FULLY integrated NAVI, hvac, radio system The Sequoia Nav system is fully integrated into the audio system. Where are you getting your facts...Canada? that's your first mistake.
5. Japanese sourced and speced 4.0, 4.7, 4.5 (diesel) and yes 5.7 iForce. The diesels aren't available in the US. Your reaching again as usual. Is the cold getting to you?
6. Cooler box Don't you really need a "heater box" in Canada?
7. ADVERTISED on Toyota.com Torsen limted slip differential..I like the facts. Take your blinders off.. or not...enjoy your fantasyland as the Sequoia has a Torsen Ctr diff as confirmed by the Toyota Press Release, Toyota Sequoia brochure and shop manual. Page...this is your alarm clock RINGING...it's time to wake up.
8. The most airbags in ANY Toyota. I thought Pagemaster had that record.
9. Crawl control For those challenging days the LX/LC will spend in traffic trying to get to the office
10. Hi and lo range ABS Come on...Exactly what possible advantage with this give you in the real world. Sounds like your a naieve consumer easily swayed by advertising.
11. KDSS and XAHC on LX and UK sourced LC. Sounds like you're trying to double dip on this very weak feature.
12. full 8 way power passenger seat. Whoopee that'll be a great selling point.
13. Same GVWR yet a lighter vehicle than Seq. LX needs premium fuel and gets worse gas mileage than the heavier Sequoia. Aren't you worried about global warming and melting the ice cap around your home in the great white north?
14. 1500lb payload compared to just 1200 for Seq. Sequoia Tow rating of 9600lbs vs the LX/LC 8500 lbs
15. All four window are auto up/down which also slow down up closing aka ls460 Can't comment as I don't know what the Sequoia Plat. has.
16. All soft interior door pieces. Sounds like your writing a porn movie script. Are you driving your new LX/LC or having a child with it?
17. Three different memory seating configurations compared to two. Are you a Mormon? I only have 1 wife therefore no need for the 3 memory settings.
18. Front and side cameras on LX570. What an absolute waste and driving hazard. You're gonna be watching the TV screen as you're wrecking your LX into the object you're watching on the TV instead of seeing out the window.
19. Power 2nd row seats on LX and power third row seats. Sequoia has manual 2nd row and power 3rd reclining as well as power fully flat folding 3rd row seats not available on LX or LC.
20. three level heated rear seats compared to two zone heated rear in Seq. Don't know how many seat heating levels on the 2nd row of Sequoia. Don't you think your starting to pull some of these alleged advantages out of your back side?


Perhaps Canadians don't understand that the finer detail in this entire discussion is that the Sequoia is a better vehicle and the most important detail is the xtra $20K in the bank as a bonus.


Toyota better plan on offering even greater discounts because even if the LC were the same price as the Sequoia, the Sequoia would outsell the LC 10:1. Face it...the LC is simply an outdated design built on a 15 year old platform for customers that don't know better and want the image of driving across the Serengeti when in reality they're just making the daily drudge to the office.[/quote]


The navi system on the Seq really isn't FULLY integrated it doesn't control the Ac from Voice command nor does it offer features many other 60k rig's have like xm traffic Hdd voice music storage. Yes it might be pointless but I think a few on hear expect the Best from Toyota yet I'll skip that option from them and gain better Aftermarket as most of my friends have done on the Tundra crew max.Navi system On the Lexus has real time traffic and most features Honda would include on there accord Toyota is still secondary rate Stuff on this stuff.

60 k on a Seq I'm sorry but your better off buying something with more Luxury appeal Toyota too me in this price doesn't define Luxury Rather get the real deal there and spend a little more like a few suggested
Toyota Making 3 Editions in the first place on the seq is indeed lame because I would have started off with the Value core Sr5 and add my options as i see fit.sadly the Plat Edition doesn't Justify it's asking price at all but more power to you if you want to spend it. I have reasons to bet in one year these pricing will go down in the same way the Tundra crew max did and that's a fact being Discounts and rebates will apply very much in same Manner as the Tundra

what does Mormon have to do with the Topic at hand? I'm Ex Mormon and No i never wanted a Suburban or a large scale SUV right now but I think i might understand your logic there Heatwave I very much admire your post addressed to page but In No shape or form Would I lower my standards to him.I very much agree with everything you state to page on being a riot but there are a few little point's he has provided.The Interiors back to topic are bad . Your spending close to $55k yet having to look at wood grain kit's because Toyota didn't offer it or even provide real metal tone vs the cheap fake stray on silver dash I dont expect that.I don't know Toyota at present really disappoints me and the other Ts memberTake my Word I love the product but there is No expection to the rules on upping the current levels of Content level's in the class.Your spending a lot of your money on the Seq Toyota need's to up the level's and features and this topic is dead Killed

Yes Please write about your experince when you take the Key's I am very intrested in reading your off roading viewpoint's and Likes and Dislikes on your 2008 Toyota Seq.

Have a great morning all

Erik

[Heatwave3]

what does Mormon have to do with the Topic at hand? I'm Ex Mormon and No i never wanted a Suburban or a large scale SUV right now but I think i might understand your logic there Heatwave I very much admire your post addressed to page but In No shape or form Would I lower my standards to him.I very much agree with everything you state to page on being a riot but there are a few little point's he has provided.The Interiors back to topic are bad . Your spending close to $55k yet having to look at wood grain kit's because Toyota didn't offer it or even provide real metal tone vs the cheap fake stray on silver dash I dont expect that.I don't know Toyota at present really disappoints me and the other Ts memberTake my Word I love the product but there is No expection to the rules on upping the current levels of Content level's in the class.Your spending a lot of your money on the Seq Toyota need's to up the level's and features and this topic is dead Killed

My reference to Mormon was trying to poke a little fun at Page having multiple wives to benefit from 3 seat memory positions. Done late at night and probably in poor taste. Meant to be funny and looks like I missed the mark. No offense meant...my apologies to any other Mormons out there.

On the merits of the interior of the Sequoia, I was one of the first to point out my disappointment that Toyota did not go more upscale. But the reality is you can get a fully loaded Platinum Sequoia for around $52k and likely lower prices as time passes. For a couple hundred $'s I can upgrade some of the interior with a real wood aftermarket kit and still retain all the important features of the Sequoia such as the IRS, fold flat 3rd row seats and expansive interior.

OTOH an LC is going to run $65-70k and the LX is going to run $75-80K and no amount of aftermarket money is going to get me electric fold flat 3rd row seats, IRS and more interior space on these vehicles.

That was the point of my remarks and I think that ultimately you'll have a superior vehicle starting with a Sequoia and refining it to your tastes compared to starting with the outdated platform of an LX/LC. And you'll likely keep $20K in your pocket as a bonus. Do I wish Toyota saved me the trouble by offering a better Sequoia interior to start with?...Absolutely. However if they had upgraded the Sequoia as we all wish they had, it would have wiped the LX and LC completely out of the US market in 2008.

I think it all came down to a financial approach to phase the LX and LC out over the next couple of years (US Market) instead of having the sales of those vehicles plummet at the launch of the new Sequoia.

[pagemaster]

Do I wish Toyota saved me the trouble by offering a better Sequoia interior to start with?...Absolutely. However if they had upgraded the Sequoia as we all wish they had, it would have wiped the LX and LC completely out of the US market in 2008.
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And this was the whole point of this thread. Toyota has cheaped out on the interior of Sequioa and have designed it in cheaper less costly method until you made personal attacks. I have never noticed such a obvious design difference between Japanese design Toyota's and Toyota's designed in USA.

all the important features of the Sequoia such as the IRS, fold flat 3rd row seats and expansive interior.

While yes the rear fold flat/IRS is nice. Not everyone wants that. I have no need fro three rows of seats or fold flat as I will always have a pickup for that.

With the Seqiuoa. A few really nice touches are 4 areas to fold and recline the third row seats. I think with Ford you have to open the rear hatch and can only do this from the rear you can lower the seats from each rear door on the Seqioua.. Seqiuoa also has the window shades for each window. Also the dynamic cruise control is a nice feature. Steering wheel HVAC control is nice to see.

I just wish they took all the little extras that come with the 200 series and applied it to the Sequioa. The larger cabin of the Sequioa would benefit from having double as many air vents in the Seqiuoa.

I think it all came down to a financial approach to phase the LX and LC out over the next couple of years (US Market) instead of having the sales of those vehicles plummet at the launch of the new Sequoia

The Land Cruiser and LX IMO won't be leaving the US market anytime soon. The Land Cruiser (not so much the LX) is a landmark SUV for Toyota and has many generations of followers...also the median income level of the Landcruiser is around $240,000 while the Seqiuoa is around $120,000 so a lot of owners don't worry about price. LX income median is close to $320,000 these are different buyers than your average Seqiuoa owner