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SequoiaGeneral discussion forum for the second generation 2008 and later Toyota Sequoia.
This is a discussion thread titled "09 Seq to get hybrid!!!", within the Sequoia forum, part of the SUV Forums category.
Don't know if the local Toyota GM is correct, but they say that due to the unreal gas/oil prices & no end in sight and the total lack of sales of the 08 Seq, Toyota is rushing the hybrid to market in 09.
Don't know if the local Toyota GM is correct, but they say that due to the unreal gas/oil prices & no end in sight and the total lack of sales of the 08 Seq, Toyota is rushing the hybrid to market in 09.
yep But 2009 is very likely early at this given point.. Im going to say Middle 2009 (2010 model) would be very likely Toyota is trying to do the same thing's as Gm On the Yukon Hybrid.. Very likely Toyota will be doing the v8 Hybrid like that found on the Lexus 600 Ls.....
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yep But 2009 is very likely early at this given point.. Im going to say Middle 2009 (2010 model) would be very likely Toyota is trying to do the same thing's as Gm On the Yukon Hybrid.. Very likely Toyota will be doing the v8 Hybrid like that found on the Lexus 600 Ls.....
What do you predict the EPA mileage ratings to be? Car & Drivers average for the Yukon Hybrid was only 19mpg. Not bad compared to the non-hybrid but not very impressive. I think if Toyota could get it close to the ratings of a midsize V6 car, say 20/25, then the average will be around 22 and may attract more buyers.
Toyota confirmed a diesel will be here for the Tundra and Sequoia. IMO there is little reason for a hybrid if a diesel finds its way into these trucks. I would guess an EPA rating of 16/23 for the twin-turbo diesel in these half ton trucks.
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Toyota confirmed a diesel will be here for the Tundra and Sequoia. IMO there is little reason for a hybrid if a diesel finds its way into these trucks. I would guess an EPA rating of 16/23 for the twin-turbo diesel in these half ton trucks.
I can't imagine that a diesel Sequoia will make much sense for anyone if it gets 16/23. The price of diesel is now through the roof in the NJ area. Combine the price of diesel fuel with a likely $5-10K premium over the gas engine and you've got a real loser for the owner and possibly a nice moneymaker for Toyota if there's enough knuckleheads that think they're helping the planet by buying a diesel.
What a waste for a family hauler that occasionally tows toys.
You'll know Toyota is serious when they wake up and design a plug-in hybrid drivetrain for the Sequoia that can still tow 8-9K lbs. Until then, all the hybrid and diesel talk is just noise.
I can't imagine that a diesel Sequoia will make much sense for anyone if it gets 16/23. The price of diesel is now through the roof in the NJ area. Combine the price of diesel fuel with a likely $5-10K premium over the gas engine and you've got a real loser for the owner and possibly a nice moneymaker for Toyota if there's enough knuckleheads that think they're helping the planet by buying a diesel.
What a waste for a family hauler that occasionally tows toys.
You'll know Toyota is serious when they wake up and design a plug-in hybrid drivetrain for the Sequoia that can still tow 8-9K lbs. Until then, all the hybrid and diesel talk is just noise.
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Toyota did go on record saying a Diesel is in store for the Tundra and Seq Applications but I'm with you on this does it really madder at this given point given the current situation. I know within my source Toyota has a Hybrid synergy drive in store but there so many obstacles to overcome. Because the large Full sized truck owners and large Suv owners demand Towing the towing figures have to be good in this segment. This requirement also put's the current problem on the batteries and Matching towing figures to gas engines which to some degree ain't going to be close. I know in a past Post you mentioned Batteries and to some degree The cost on replacement goes Into 3 to 7 Grand on average for the battery pack's .Sure you get a Tax credit for one year but that's about all and a HOV lane in your honer
For example Our Highlander Hybrid EPA figures are 22 to 27 City and 25 Highway. City Mpg tends to be different but it's very much on target from the figures. Do i expect a Full sized Like the Seq to come close to this figure I believe it's possible but Can't count on this just yet. If research has any clues we need to look at Lexus Flagship sedan the Ls 600 H and see how this technology finds it's way on the Tundra and Seq maybe the 8 speed Aisin transmission will make it's way in as well
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Last edited by Tundrav8yamaha; 04-22-2008 at 10:55 AM.
Toyota did go on record saying a Diesel is in store for the Tundra and Seq Applications but I'm with you on this does it really madder at this given point given the current situation. I know within my source Toyota has a Hybrid synergy drive in store but there so many obstacles to overcome. This requirement also put's the current problem on the batteries and Matching towing figures to gas engines which to some degree ain't going to be close. I know in a past Post you mentioned Batteries and to some degree The cost on replacement goes Into 3 to 7 Grand on average for the battery pack's .Sure you get a Tax credit for one year but that's about all and a HOV lane in your honer
The Sequioa is a dying vehicle and Toyota made a rare mistake with forcasting the new Tundra/Sequoia. The Sequioa has a 100 days on the lot AFP: US new auto sales hit 15-year low and is a good design at the wrong time. 100 days on the lot is way to long for a vehicle that has been out for only 5 months.
Toyota should of kept the deisgn of the Sequoio smaller like the first gen and kept the materials premium to appeal to the upscale buyer. I honestly don't believe that there are enough folks that need 10k towing capacity and 7 seats. I really don't believe it. And if there are then there is cleary less buyers than what Toyota thinks.
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Because the large Full sized truck owners and large Suv owners demand Towing the towing figures have to be good in this segment.
While I do see a lot of Tundra's hauling trailers I rarely if ever see a Seqouia hitched up. Yes there are some that need the capability of the Sequioa but there are clearly not enough based on sales.
I don't see hybrid synergy drive doing anything for sales of the Sequioa. There is way too much capacity and Toyota now has a very big issue on hand with what to do with the excess capacity of the Tundra and Sequoia. Either merge them into the Texas plant and built something else in Indiana...or design something else that can be built off the Sequioa platform as well.
Toyota did go on record saying a Diesel is in store for the Tundra and Seq Applications but I'm with you on this does it really madder at this given point given the current situation. I know within my source Toyota has a Hybrid synergy drive in store but there so many obstacles to overcome. Because the large Full sized truck owners and large Suv owners demand Towing the towing figures have to be good in this segment. This requirement also put's the current problem on the batteries and Matching towing figures to gas engines which to some degree ain't going to be close. I know in a past Post you mentioned Batteries and to some degree The cost on replacement goes Into 3 to 7 Grand on average for the battery pack's .Sure you get a Tax credit for one year but that's about all and a HOV lane in your honer
For example Our Highlander Hybrid EPA figures are 22 to 27 City and 25 Highway. City Mpg tends to be different but it's very much on target from the figures. Do i expect a Full sized Like the Seq to come close to this figure I believe it's possible but Can't count on this just yet. If research has any clues we need to look at Lexus Flagship sedan the Ls 600 H and see how this technology finds it's way on the Tundra and Seq maybe the 8 speed Aisin transmission will make it's way in as well
I realize that diesel may be very attractive to some but I think it will have to be designed with fuel efficiency greater than 16/23. If its in the 20/26 range, they'll have a very attractive design even if its $5k more expensive. Its still a very incremental approach to the issue of global warming and escalting energy prices from unstable regimes in the MiddleEast and South America.
I believe the real winner will be a plug-in hybrid drivetrain. I think once they can get battery designs to provide 80-90% charging over 150K miles they will have a hit that will change the marketplace forever. My crystal ball says that with a plug-in hybrid where the 26 gal gas tank is cut in half to save weight and the addition of enough Li-Ion battery capacity to give the Sequoia about a 100 mile range before dropping to 35% battery capacity, you'll have a game-changing design. Toyota is closer than just about any other manufacturer with one of the first roll-outs to be the upcoming plug-in Prius.
Think about it....with a 100 mile electric range plus a reasonably powerful gas engine, you'll have the best of both worlds. Plug-in the car at night (and also at your employer as this will become the fashionable new "employee benefit") and you might get 400, 500, 600 mpgs out of any vehicle. The typical work commute is around 50-60 miles a day.
For most drivers they would run on batteries charged from their house or employer utility (which is either coal - 50%, nuclear - 20% or hydro-electric - 10% generated in the US) and essentially cut their gas useage by 90% while increasing their electric bills. Essentially we'd be transitioning from a 50% foreign based oil energy supply (Venezuela and the MiddleEast) to 100% US domestic based energy supply with a thousand year reserve or longer (for coal, nuclear and hydro).
If this scenarios comes to be, I predict that within 10 years of transitioning to a critical mass of plug-in hybrid technology that gas will plummet in price as drivers simply drive past most gas stations so long as they have a full electric charge on their batteries. Talk about a sweet scenario....
09 Seq to get hybrid!!!
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