Hey there gang - looks like the all new 2010 4Runners are coming in soon!

My very first 4Runner coming is a 4WD LIMITED in magnetic gray with black interior (the details show it as black/terra cotta) and it's well equipped, like all Limiteds will be. It will also have a 3rd row seat that's a 50/50 split fold.

Options will be

:pizza: Limited 3rd Row Seat Leather-Trimmed 50/50 Split Fold-Flat Third-Row Seating and Sliding Second-Row with Passenger Side One-Touch
Walk-in Function and 3rd Row Curtain Shield Airbags (Standard Sliding Rear Cargo Deck is deleted)

:pizza: Navigation System & Back-Up Camera Voice-Activated Touch-Screen DVD Navigation System with JBL AM/FM/MP3 4-disc CD Changer with 15 Speakers,
Integrated XM Radio with NavTraffic (Includes 90-Day Trial Subscription), USB Port with iPod Connectivity, Hands-
Free Phone Capability and Music Streaming via Bluetooth Wireless Technology, Steering Wheel Audio Controls, and
Integrated Backup Camera (Deletes Mirror Integrated Backup Camera Monitor)

and with mats, I estimate the MSRP @ $43,500.

If you are hungering for a new 4Runner, I would imagine we will have more over time, all sorts of different models thru the winter and into spring... if you'd like this rig or need something different, just whistle... into your phone and call me at my numbers below, or drop me an email!

Meh. No V8 = FAIL.

$43K?? Wow! I could only hope that Toyota follows GM and puts a big sticker price then offers a $10 rebate.

That's not too different that what its same V6 4WD Limited predecessor would have stickered for with a third row seat and NAV. This new one's got some serious interior space and loads of new features. :)
I like it! They will still keep production pretty low like the last few years. It's a great solution for when a Highlander is too small (and not rugged looking enough) and when a Sequoia is too large.

Why no V8? I would consider getting a 4runner again (had two in the past) but wasn't pleased with the power of the v6.

Hmm. Why so opinionated about a vehicle that you have not seen in person or driven? I sure don't think that's a good way to come at these sorts of issues. And, if you check it out at toyota.com you'll see it's got plenty of power and torque.

Hmm. Why so opinionated about a vehicle that you have not seen in person or driven? I sure don't think that's a good way to come at these sorts of issues. And, if you check it out at toyota.com you'll see it's got plenty of power and torque.

You are a complete Kool-Aid drinker, I know it is your job, but seriously you can express some disappointment too. We won't tell your boss.

We don't need to drive the damn thing to know basically what it will do performance wise. You can plug in the numbers easily enough on horsepower, weight, altitude, and gearing on many 0-60 and 1/4 mile calculators. What you will come up with is a marginal 0-60 time of the high 7 second to mid 8 second range for the 0-60 sprint, and a piss poor 16 some odd second 1/4 mile time trapping maybe 90-92 mph.

So let us look at those numbers. First of all the 4Runner gained about 400-500lbs, this doesn't help at all. To compensate the V6 was made more powerful, which is fine but in order to do that Toyota had to move the peak torque up to 4,400 RPM's, and it is still only 278lb-ft; which is trying to move a 4,805lb truck in a 4X4 Limited. That is marginal power at best for a vehicle of that weight. To make matters worse it doesn't really make much twist in the lower to middle RPM range around 2,000-3,600 RPM's where most drivers will spend most of their time. Put any kind of weight (like 4 adults and all their luggage/camping gear) in the vehicle and you have a gutless dog. Don't even bother looking at towing a 5,000lb trailer, it will do it but it will not be happy about it. So loaded down that V6 is going to have one hell of a time pulling long steep grades at highway speeds. Not exactly an endearing performance trait. This could have been helped a bit with a 6 speed auto with a wider range of gearing to help keep the engine in it's power band, but alas Toyota is only giving us the 5 speed auto.

What this vehicle needs is the new 4.6L V8 and the 6 speed auto that lives behind it. More gears (steeper on the low side, and slightly taller up top) and 327lb-ft at only 3,400 RPM's is way way more useful than 278lb-ft at 4,400 RPM's. In fact with that kind of twist on tap that low more moderate throttle inputs would get more work done resulting in pretty much equal fuel consumption. Notice on the Tundra that the 4.6L V8 is not all that far off the 4.0L V6 in fuel economy, and I know which one we would all pick if limited to those two motors.

Oh well I guess the 4.6L V8 is going to be a Lexus GX 460 only item, so we can all pay $15K more to get the same basic platform with the power it should have anyway.:censored:

Dianne. Toyota screwed up. I have the V6, and it's fine for 90% of what I do. Loaded it'll do the speed limit, but push it and itsa dog at elevation. If I got another 4Runner, it would have a V8 or I would purchase something else. Also, giving only the 2010 Limited awd capability and not the Trail or SR5 models is a takeaway from the 2003-2009 models where all the V6 4x4 models had awd capability.

So good luck selling these, but don't order many as they probably won't move. The V6 is just a little more useful than the 3rd row, which is useless. The mandatory (useless for me) sunroof on the high end models keeps me out of the more expensive and luxurious Limited. No heated outside mirrors except on Trail models is dumb too. The base model Sequoia has heated mirrors, so why not the 4Runner? Like you've read, Toyota screwed up bigtime. Right now a V8 2009 is a must have for many buyers over the 2010.

Looks like the Nissan Pathfinder will be stealing some sales. You can get the 5.6L V8 in that at least.

Obviously I'm not buying the SUV for its fuel economy so if Toyota is going to do it then do it right and have a 5.7V8 model.

I do not agree with beating up on Diane as some have done. None of us here for that and believe it is uncalled for. In fact it is banned in some forums. Sure she is a sales person but those who have purchased from her know she is fair,no nonsense,will get you the best deal possible and will do her best to get you the vehicle you want. Have not met any other Toyota agent who will attempt to special order for you instead of pushing what is on the lot.

At the same time some very good comments have been made expressing dissatisfaction with the way Toyota has set up the 5Th gen 4Runner. Hopefully some of this will get back to the Toyota execs and some positive changes will be made during the year or for 2011. On the initial intro of the 2003, Toyota opted to use the gray cladding which was dropped mid year due to unfavorable comments by potential purchasers. Hopefully we will see a V-8 in Jan 10 when the new GX-470 is introduced with the larger V-8.

When my local dealer gets some 2010's in I plan to go look and express my dissatisfaction with the current setups and hope many others will do the same. I want a V-8 with full time 4WD,no leather, no sunroof, no gray cladding. Until then I am happy with my 03', it has run flawlessly for 80+K.

Sorry I called you a Kool-Aid drinker Dianne, that was uncalled for.

However, the spec sheet on the new 4Runner is still a let down.

Sorry I called you a Kool-Aid drinker Dianne, that was uncalled for.

However, the spec sheet on the new 4Runner is still a let down.

I think i'm with you on the no v-8 situation. How stupid of toyota to actually beleive a 4-cyl would provide better mileage in a 5k lb rig. Duh...
I would venture to say the 4.6L v-8 in the runner would get equal to or better than the 4.0 v-6 if driven the same way.
I know our 07 with the 4.0 gets 21-22 at best on the hiway when i try. And from what i've read, the v-8 gets pretty close to the same.

So everybody please; get this across to toyota and hopefully the 4.6L will be in the 2011 model.

Dianne. Toyota screwed up. I have the V6, and it's fine for 90% of what I do. Loaded it'll do the speed limit, but push it and itsa dog at elevation. If I got another 4Runner, it would have a V8 or I would purchase something else. Also, giving only the 2010 Limited awd capability and not the Trail or SR5 models is a takeaway from the 2003-2009 models where all the V6 4x4 models had awd capability.

So good luck selling these, but don't order many as they probably won't move. The V6 is just a little more useful than the 3rd row, which is useless. The mandatory (useless for me) sunroof on the high end models keeps me out of the more expensive and luxurious Limited. No heated outside mirrors except on Trail models is dumb too. The base model Sequoia has heated mirrors, so why not the 4Runner? Like you've read, Toyota screwed up bigtime. Right now a V8 2009 is a must have for many buyers over the 2010.

Dianne is just trying to move trucks and nothing is wrong with that. Frankly, I wish I had somebody like her in my area I didnt have to fight with. Toyota has pushed me away because of arrogant dealers and quality in general that has slipped. They are no longer the poster boys of the auto industry but I will admit I have had excellent service out of my 4 Runner.

I have to agree with all of you that not offering the new 4.6 V8 and no six speed is a deal breaker for me. Gaining weight and losing the flat torque curve of a v8 was just stupid. Im really starting to wonder if Toyota is getting out of touch with some of us. You dont buy a 4 Runner for gas mileage. I bet the 2009 V8 Runners will be in higher demand than the 2010. Not a single thing is wrong with my 03 and Im happy with it so I will just drive it.

JUST don't buy them and tell TOYOTA why regarding 4.6 liter motor, oh and leave DIANE ALONE!

A 4 cylinder is a def no go in this heavy suv, bean counter decided that and not truck guy. That is for sure!

Oh Backwards TUNDRA LOVE guy... what we need is a hybrid 4Runner. That would be a really sweet ride, frankly. The Lexus V8 with hybrid punch.

It's cool - they are not picking on me. I have driven this new 2010 V6 and it's quite a ride. We have 2 other 4Runners in the family and I can see some similarity in style and looks, but this car's ride is remarkable. And, the seats... what a huge difference in comfort now.

I know you're all clamoring for the V8 but the truth is, they do not sell that well in V8. They just did not. Folks are too worried about gas prices as they fluctuate and Toyota's just decided to plan for it.

Di


JUST don't buy them and tell TOYOTA why regarding 4.6 liter motor, oh and leave DIANE ALONE!

A 4 cylinder is a def no go in this heavy suv, bean counter decided that and not truck guy. That is for sure!

I will be looking forward for the new 4runner, and I'm definitely going to test drive it asap as it arrivew into my stealership.

But from what I red so far, with no V8 or 6speed AT im going to belive that it would be a fail and most buyers will runaway into Highlander segment.

Hope Toyota will get guts to put V8 with all the expected goodies into a mid or early-refresh for the 4runner '10

I don't consider sharing different points of view as being beat up on. I'm OK guys. I have been selling Toyotas since 1980 so I have gained the ability to see a criticism of our product as just what it is: criticism of the product and not myself.

Having sold Toyota since before we even had a 4Runner, and then watching the vehicle debut as a LARGE Tacoma with a removable roof and back seats that were wedged under a large roll-bar .. well, 4Runner's come a long way.

The only advice I would offer here is to wait for them to come out, and take a closer look. Drive one. I'm sure most folks will really like the new one. If you don't, there are alternatives. The technology in this one is really amazing, as is the ride and the comfort.

Cars and trucks are a lot of money these days. We all deserve to spend that hard earned cash and be comfortable as well as safe. And, have an up to date car or truck with all of the technology offered currently.

This world is made up of all sorts of opinions, and everyone's entitled to theirs. It's not the opinion that often fires folks up - it's how that opinion is delivered. Nice or nasty. If it's coming out of YOU, whether thru typing or words, you have the ability to share your opinion nice, or share 'not nice'. It's always your choice.

Anyway, the debut of the new 4Runner is delayed slightly... talk about anticlimactic. They won't be out till around Thanksgiving now. All are held up at port due to a stop-lamp part being late in shipping to where the cars are prepped and apparently, this is a legally mandated item (part of the rear stop-lamp) that can't be jury-rigged. So, we wait.

Dianne Whitmire:usa2:
Mother of a US Marine
Lance Corporal T.A. Whitmire

Oh Backwards TUNDRA LOVE guy... what we need is a hybrid 4Runner. That would be a really sweet ride, frankly. The Lexus V8 with hybrid punch.

It's cool - they are not picking on me. I have driven this new 2010 V6 and it's quite a ride. We have 2 other 4Runners in the family and I can see some similarity in style and looks, but this car's ride is remarkable. And, the seats... what a huge difference in comfort now.

I know you're all clamoring for the V8 but the truth is, they do not sell that well in V8. They just did not. Folks are too worried about gas prices as they fluctuate and Toyota's just decided to plan for it.

Di

A hybrid SUV has it's place, but that place is not yet in an off road oriented vehicle. Electric motors in hybrid systems (or any other) are sensitive to heat build up just like any other mechanical device. Unfortunately in the world of 4X4's all that slow off road work will demand quite a bit of torque output without a lot of air flow to aid in cooling the electric motors. This is one of the reasons that Toyota/Lexus do not recommend rock crawling, mud bogging, or otherwise off roading a Highlander Hybrid, or a Lexus RX450h. While cooling issues are not a problem with a vehicle like the Prius since it has the cooling system in parallel with the IC engine cooling system and everything is up front where the plumbing is, on a 4X4 this is a real challenge. You either get stuck with need airflow to cool the electric motors (ala Highlander/RX hybrid) or you get to try to plumb coolant lines to all the motors at the corners of the vehicle which adds cost, complexity, and for an off road vehicle: vulnerability!

If Toyota really wanted to improve the fuel economy of the 4Runner and still have the ability to really do the off road thing, what they need to offer is a turbo diesel. I will still also make the argument that the new 4.6L V8 with the 6 speed behind it would be within 1 MPG average of the new 4.0L V6. Once the new Lexus GX460 shows up this fall we'll have confirmation of that, but I'll wager that I'm correct!

As for the V8 4Runners not selling well in your market I don't doubt you. I sold Toyota trucks and SUV's for a time before moving on to BMW (have since left the car business, now I play with really really big hybrids for a living :cool:). In the market I sold in, the 4Runner sales split about 50/50 between the 4.0 V6 and the 4.7 V8. However that was a more rural area where our customers would be more likely to be towing, hauling, hunting, camping, or otherwise using the "truck" abilities of the 4Runner. Different markets will have different consumer uses and desires.

I am glad to hear that the comfort issue of the 4Runner has been addressed though, it always seemed to have an awkward seating position in the old one. A tall vehicle with no head room, and seat bottoms practically on the floor....

Anyhow my own hunch is that Toyota didn't offer the V8 in the new 4Runner since they knew that price wise a well equipped V8 4Runner Limited would come in somewhere in the $45-$46K range, and they don't want competition with the new GX460 which will probably have a base price of around $47-$48K for basically the same stuff. Just my theory.

A hybrid SUV has it's place, but that place is not yet in an off road oriented vehicle. Electric motors in hybrid systems (or any other) are sensitive to heat build up just like any other mechanical device. Unfortunately in the world of 4X4's all that slow off road work will demand quite a bit of torque output without a lot of air flow to aid in cooling the electric motors. This is one of the reasons that Toyota/Lexus do not recommend rock crawling, mud bogging, or otherwise off roading a Highlander Hybrid, or a Lexus RX450h. While cooling issues are not a problem with a vehicle like the Prius since it has the cooling system in parallel with the IC engine cooling system and everything is up front where the plumbing is, on a 4X4 this is a real challenge. You either get stuck with need airflow to cool the electric motors (ala Highlander/RX hybrid) or you get to try to plumb coolant lines to all the motors at the corners of the vehicle which adds cost, complexity, and for an off road vehicle: vulnerability!

If Toyota really wanted to improve the fuel economy of the 4Runner and still have the ability to really do the off road thing, what they need to offer is a turbo diesel. I will still also make the argument that the new 4.6L V8 with the 6 speed behind it would be within 1 MPG average of the new 4.0L V6. Once the new Lexus GX460 shows up this fall we'll have confirmation of that, but I'll wager that I'm correct!

As for the V8 4Runners not selling well in your market I don't doubt you. I sold Toyota trucks and SUV's for a time before moving on to BMW (have since left the car business, now I play with really really big hybrids for a living :cool:). In the market I sold in, the 4Runner sales split about 50/50 between the 4.0 V6 and the 4.7 V8. However that was a more rural area where our customers would be more likely to be towing, hauling, hunting, camping, or otherwise using the "truck" abilities of the 4Runner. Different markets will have different consumer uses and desires.

I am glad to hear that the comfort issue of the 4Runner has been addressed though, it always seemed to have an awkward seating position in the old one. A tall vehicle with no head room, and seat bottoms practically on the floor....

Anyhow my own hunch is that Toyota didn't offer the V8 in the new 4Runner since they knew that price wise a well equipped V8 4Runner Limited would come in somewhere in the $45-$46K range, and they don't want competition with the new GX460 which will probably have a base price of around $47-$48K for basically the same stuff. Just my theory.


If V8 4Runner sales accounted for more than 5 percent id be shocked. It wasnt cost effective for the 4Runner. It will be in the new Lexus GX460

If V8 4Runner sales accounted for more than 5 percent id be shocked. It wasnt cost effective for the 4Runner. It will be in the new Lexus GX460

When I was selling Toyota vehicles when the last gen 4Runner came out I would venture that 40-50% of my 4Runner sales were the V8. That is of course anecdotal so take it for what it is worth.

There is no way I would buy a near 5000lb 4X4 that only had 278lb-ft of torque available, and at 4,400RPM's no less. Most of the road tests I have read have commented that the vehicle needs the V8 option. Toyota is going to have to learn this one the hard way.

After owning the V6, I wouldn't buy anything but the V8 for a replacement. Everyone I know who has the V8 loves it, but while V6 owners are happy, they're not thrilled. Just my opinion, but I find the added weight of the V8 smoothes out the ride and the 4.7 is a quieter engine, not to mention the throttle response is fantastic versus my V6. Hopefully the 2010 V6 will sell, but for those of us eventually looking to step up Toyota has taken us out of the market and put us in Sequoia's although we want 4Runners.

In a somewhat related matter I recently purchased a Dodge Ram, and I didn't get the 3.7 V6 or 4.7 V8, instead I got the biggest available engine, the 5.7 V8 Hemi, which btw gets better highway mpg than my V6 4Runner. So all I can do is recommend to Dianne that she not stock too many 4Runners. Based on opinions here and elsewhere most previous owners aren't going to step up to the new model until a V8 finds it way into the 4Runner again.

After owning the V6, I wouldn't buy anything but the V8 for a replacement. Everyone I know who has the V8 loves it, but while V6 owners are happy, they're not thrilled. Just my opinion, but I find the added weight of the V8 smoothes out the ride and the 4.7 is a quieter engine, not to mention the throttle response is fantastic versus my V6. Hopefully the 2010 V6 will sell, but for those of us eventually looking to step up Toyota has taken us out of the market and put us in Sequoia's although we want 4Runners.

In a somewhat related matter I recently purchased a Dodge Ram, and I didn't get the 3.7 V6 or 4.7 V8, instead I got the biggest available engine, the 5.7 V8 Hemi, which btw gets better highway mpg than my V6 4Runner. So all I can do is recommend to Dianne that she not stock too many 4Runners. Based on opinions here and elsewhere most previous owners aren't going to step up to the new model until a V8 finds it way into the 4Runner again.

Always get the big stick. :cool:

Although you should have bought a Tundra with the 5.7L.....:D

Ill throw my 2 cents in here and go with Dianne on this one. After owning a 07 Tundra the past two years i most definitely love the truck no doubt about it. When it comes to practicality though this new 4Runner is def. for me. I test drove it not knowing whether the power and torque would be there but for me it seemed quite adequate for the vehicle. Not that it is blazing fast like the Tundra, but still a good quality built SUV for Toyota and one that i am purchasing and picking up on Friday. Love the Tundra but for the price and even a hint better fuel mileage my 4Runner will have more options and much more comfortable to ride around in. Looking forward to a great couple years with my 4Runner starting friday!!

I saw a new one today and actually liked the looks of it. The interior seems much improved though I could not get in it because the dealership was closed. The turn signals stick out on the front and back and that looks goofy to me but other than that I liked it. This thing looked huge compared to my 03. it was a SR5 4x2 and stickered at 34xxx I think. I bet it weighs in more than my 4x4. This sucker is big.

Mileage was 17/22 I am pretty sure. Thats pretty darn good considering what your moving and as a matter of fact the reg cab 4x4 tacoma 4 banger is rated at that. Its hard to believe the mpg would be the same but thats what the sticker shows on both. I looked at one of those also and thought to myself a F150 is not much worse and you get a lot more truck.

I tell you though, its a lot of truck to move with six cylinders now matter how good. A Ford TT v6 would be sweet in this thing I bet. They will debut soon in the F150 in the near future. Gotta have six speeds and flat torque curves for a truck this large.

Oh, and I am in a rural area as well and I have no scientific evidence but the V8 V6 split seems to be about 50 50 around here as well.

PS: Dianne, My thoughts and thanks go out to your son who is serving our great country so we can moan and carry on about things like suv's. :usa2:

Hey guys picked mine up friday night!! Awesome vehicle!!...is it my Tundra? NO..but did not expect Tundra like performance out of it. So far the gas mileage is about 5MPG better than what i was getting with my Tundra and its not even broken in yet....whoever mentioned the 17/22 mpg on the sticker that is what is on my sticker for a 4x4 not sure if they are the same for the 4x2 or not. I picked up and SR5 with the premium package which in my area includes leather heated seats and moonroof....35,xxx sticker and got $1,500 off that....All around nice vehicle so far the interior is much superior to that of the Tundra. Ill add some pics as soon as i get around to taking a few and getting them up!!

Looks good!