Here is the latest word from RCD regarding their suspension lift for the Tundra. I just received this today. :rolleyes: Well, at least it sounds like they're trying to get it right but I wonder if they'll ever get it ready.

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ken@racecardynamics.com
Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:13 AM
RE: Tundra Susp. Lift

Hello Jon:

We have just completed some modifications to the system and have started testing again. We are currently projecting mid yaer 2003 availability.

Email us your street address and we will send you some information.

Thank you.

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Does anyone know anything about when RCD's 6" lift for the Tundra coming out? Also does anyone know how reliable their products are? Will this lift be able to stand up to off-roading or is it like Whiplash? I've never heard too much about RCD. Also, does anyone know if this lift will be able to fit the new Double Cabs? That would be sweet! Thanks in advance!

RCD is a very good company. They have about as stong a lift as you can get with IFS. They're nothing like Whiptrash Suspensions. As for when its coming out the release has been pushed back to sometime this summer. It was supposed to be out last spring, but they decided to redesign the kit. Can't be sure about fitting the double cabs cause hey, they're not even out yet.:D :cool:

Do you guys know if it will work on a 2wd???

I think I remember someone hearing from a rep that it will work on 2 and 4 wheel drives. Don't quote me on that tho.

That will be sweet if it does work on 2wd!!!!!!:)

Like a lot of guys on this forum, I am still waiting on RCD to produce. This lift and price are playing a big role in me keeping my Tundra or going back to the Big 3. A buddy has a Yukon Denali with 6" RCD lift. He is very pleased with it and I think they make a great product. In my opinion it is ridiculous to spend the money coilovers cost to acheive what they do. If RCD is reading this, HURRY UP!!!!!!!

Clay

Originally posted by shreveporttundra
Like a lot of guys on this forum, I am still waiting on RCD to produce. This lift and price are playing a big role in me keeping my Tundra or going back to the Big 3. A buddy has a Yukon Denali with 6" RCD lift. He is very pleased with it and I think they make a great product. In my opinion it is ridiculous to spend the money coilovers cost to acheive what they do. If RCD is reading this, HURRY UP!!!!!!!

Clay

Werd man. I'm so impatient, I wanna have a lifted truck while I can still enjoy it. So tempting to get Z-71 on some 38's. :devil: If its not out by the end of this summer I might switch have to over to Chevy. :cry:

Looked at a 2002 Z-71 a couple of days ago. Very tempting. Chevy really screwed up the front end on the new 2003's. Ugliest thing on the market. Will wait a bit but can't hold out forever.

Clay

What will the price for this lift be? Any guesses. I may have to look into it if the price is right.

Originally posted by shreveporttundra
Looked at a 2002 Z-71 a couple of days ago. Very tempting. Chevy really screwed up the front end on the new 2003's. Ugliest thing on the market. Will wait a bit but can't hold out forever.

Clay

I felt the same way about the front end, until I saw a huge lifted one here at school. The new front end made it look really mean when they're jacked sky high. :cool:

Been waiting for a year for the mythical RCD lift to be released. Just did my quarterly status check. They advise the release is planned for sometime in August or September. I'm guessing that means sometime between Christmas and the next presidential election. I think I'm going to have to go with a TC lift and some fabricated spindle braces...

:mad:

Thanks for the update. I was wondering what the latest was myself & thought I'd check on here. Thought I might find some good news.

I'm starting to wonder if they even have a Tundra kit in the works at all. They did send me some info about it in the mail a couple of months ago with a picture of a lifted Tundra but I don't believe it! I think they're just pulling my leg. It better be worth the wait!! :rolleyes:

:rolleyes: That is so weak... This is getting to be worse than the V8 supercharger release date. :rolleyes: :mad:

The way I see it, the longer the R&D time is, the better and less problems the product is going to have by the time it gets released. It's good that there is still a manufacturer that takes its time to do the job right the first time instead of just releasing a product just because they want to make some money and then not warranty it and it end up killing someone.

Remember how everyone waited forever for the S/C to come out only for it to have all kinds of bugs when released?

I think that two years is long enough to work the bugs out... hell the H2 has been out like 6 months and they've already got like 4 or 5 different lifts that are 6+'' ...I think they can give us one 6'' lift. :mad:

The H2 is just a Chevy Tahoe frame with a "Hummer-Like" body- thats why they have lifts out already.

The tun ifs has unique geometry and thats the main reason that we do not have may commercial lift options

I agree with Ted, the H2 suspension is nothing but a Chevy suspension...no biggie! I remembered an RCD rep telling me that one crucial thing about lifting the tundra IFS is keeping the steering stable. That's one area where RCD is really doing their research in. I agree with them totally, with unstable steering you can end up killing yourself and others.

Look at how long it took for Fabtech to come up with a 6" lift for the Tacoma. Since '99 (I believe), the only 6" lift available is the trailmaster for that year. Then after that, noone else made a 6" lift for the tacoma until '02...that's 3 years of waiting. That's because the front suspension of the tacoma was redesigned after '99. That sent everyone back to the drawing board. So I'd expect the same waiting period from other manufacturers.

The 2002 Dodge Ram also has got several different lifts for it already... I'm fairly sure that that was a new design for dodge... and it didn't take 5 years for one lift to come out... :(

Toyota trucks' IFS suspension is not quite as simple as the other big 3's, especially when it comes to the steering setup.

The other thing is sales. The make/model that sells the most usually catches the eyes of the aftermarket industry. Sad to say the Toyota Tundra is still not up there with the big 3 in sales. Someone had posted here a long time ago some sales numbers from different truck manufacturers.

I know that were not like the Big 3... I'm just mad at all the suspension company's for not givin us anything... I'm thinkin *Dr. Evil voice* "throw me a frickin bone here"... seein all these lift kits for trucks that came out after the tundra just annoys me a little... :cool:
lata Wes

Originally posted by 2DaMax
I agree with Ted, the H2 suspension is nothing but a Chevy suspension...no biggie! I remembered an RCD rep telling me that one crucial thing about lifting the tundra IFS is keeping the steering stable. That's one area where RCD is really doing their research in. I agree with them totally, with unstable steering you can end up killing yourself and others.

Look at how long it took for Fabtech to come up with a 6" lift for the Tacoma. Since '99 (I believe), the only 6" lift available is the trailmaster for that year. Then after that, noone else made a 6" lift for the tacoma until '02...that's 3 years of waiting. That's because the front suspension of the tacoma was redesigned after '99. That sent everyone back to the drawing board. So I'd expect the same waiting period from other manufacturers.

I believe the Taco suspension is the same from 1995.5 to present, no? It would be curious to find out how many TC lift kits have been sold. I am guessing not as many as they could have if they reasearched a bit longer!

The biggest problem has been the knuckles! RCD is supposed to be in the works for a heavy duty/longer knuckle to prevent binding of the ball joint.
From what I've seen, the Total Chaos product is the only lift even worth looking at yet (at a cost of $3500)!!
I'm waiting for the knuckle upgrade, and don't care who makes it.

The knuckles have been made, for a while now (see pic below). I saw it at last year's SEMA show. Their biggest challenge is stabilizing and steering being that the tundra has rack n pinion.


Originally posted by big-o
The biggest problem has been the knuckles! RCD is supposed to be in the works for a heavy duty/longer knuckle to prevent binding of the ball joint.
From what I've seen, the Total Chaos product is the only lift even worth looking at yet (at a cost of $3500)!!
I'm waiting for the knuckle upgrade, and don't care who makes it.

The reason engineering is a problem is due to simple economics. If there was more money to be made with a 6" lift for the Tundra, other companies including RCD would already have lifts on the market.

Just want to know if anyone has heard anything about it...

Last time I asked they told me to keep waiting...

Their making us wait too long...but maybe its because they are R&D'ing the kit.

Who knows?

Abel

Originally posted by OCTundraTRD
Last time I asked they told me to keep waiting...


Keep on keepin on........................

I called. They told me the end of the year. They'll sell the kits, but no in greater numbers than the Chevy/Ford kits, so we have to wait. Its just business.

Aaron

It seems like they just keep putting off the release date...

A couple of months ago they said by summer it would be out...

I think its 3 inch plus body lift time.

Later Guys.

Abel

Any of you guys get sent out on a snipe hunt as a kid. This is RCD's version...

I remember it was supposed to come out spring '02. They just keep pushing it back. :rolleyes:

I don't know if it helps or not, but RCD sent a brochure of a 6" lift system. There are pics of a lifted Tundra on the brochure. Maybe they are getting closer. RCD is pretty much the lift I've decided to go with too.

Where did you get the brochure from?


Chris

I e-mailed RCD from the contact list on thier web site. here is the link. http://www.racecardynamics.com/home.htm .

They have a brochure, but thats it. They say end of the year at the earliest. I have had the brochure for about 4-5 months, so don't get your hopes up.

aaron

That s***s:cry: I have been thinking about giving them a call . I wanted to see what other options were available other than blocks for the rear. I guess I have two questions now. The rear and WHEN????

Wait....the rear ?

So does that mean they have the lift for the front ?

This company is killing me...I remember back in jan at a off road show in pomona, I saw their white tundra with the 6 inch lift...what the hell is taking so long ???

They probably found out what happened to tuff country lifted tundras and dont want to have the same probs

Originally posted by TMS2U
They probably found out what happened to tuff country lifted tundras and dont want to have the same probs

if you look at red's tundra's photos he has several pics of a longbed tundra with the rcd lift on it and in one you can see a new steering nuckle.

Wasnt tuff country's lift problem the ball joint? Wouldn't this be a moot point with a new steering knuckle?

Borrowed pic from Red.

http://www.tundrasolutions.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=866&password=&sort=1&cat=500&page=3


This is another good angle

http://www.tundrasolutions.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=863&password=&sort=1&cat=500&page=4

Thanks for the pics Red

The problem with the tuff lift was that the spindle would snap. They're redesigning the kit with a new stronger spindle, that won't be out for a couple months. :cool: If RCD doesn't hurry the heck up I'm gonna get the tuff lift instead. :D

Ah thanks wes.

I have been toying with this Idea too. Just adding the Teamwest coils rather than using the spacer.

Apparently Red's truck is a two wheel drive?

Noooo, just the truck at the show he was at

Rcd lifts on fords come with new hefty long spindals so upper control arm stays in same position and links and tie rods,only thing that moves is the tranfer and the lower control arms.I have installed two kits on f150s,and I must say I like that.The lift on the white tundra for rcd has different spindal and from what I saw on the pics they are nice and hefty.Im sold.WHEN WILL THEY COME OUT WITH IT-WE CANT WAIT ANYMORE.TS HELP!The only thing is that yes the pic was a 2wd tundra-now-to lift the truck you have to lower the tranfer case but the front drive shaft goes over the rack&pinion.Ok what happens-does the rack go lower or the drive shaft go under the rack?

Any answers
Chris

Hey guys, why not call up fabtech or CST and see if they will make a spindle kit, tell them how RCD is toying around and that tundra/tacoma/sequoia owners will buy them.

Or go to a custom shop like camburg or pro trucks and see if they can fab up some custom spindles. Im guessing here but a custom set of spindles (not the most badass ones, just somthing decent) will run about $1200, if you guys get a group together you could get it much less. Just some thoughts.

What would you do about the diff. drop?

Heres a copy of the email RCD sent me:

We have made several changes to the original system we developed and we are back in the vehicles testing mode. Our current projections are that the system will be available by the end of the year. We do not have any cost yet.

oh, i thought RCD was only doing a spindle. Nobody makes more diff drop kits than fabtech, rancho or pro comp. I know there is a cradle kit for the taco and even though the tundra is the same suspension it is wider so thats a no go.

The only diff. drop or cradle lift that is out for the Tundra is the Tuff Country 4.5'' lift. In the beginning they had some balljoint spacers instead of a new spindle to keep the balljoint angle in check. Now they're redeveloping the kit with a new longer and stronger spindle. The only truly weak point with that lift was the balljoint spacers, now that they're developing the new spindle it should be a fairly strong lift. However the tuff lift is a little confusing to me. When it first came out it was a 5.5 inch lift, now its a 4.5 inch lift. :confused: I wonder if the diff. is really dropped 4.5 inches or if it is dropped 5.5 inches. If its dropped 5.5 inches I think that I'm gonna try and get the tuff lift pretty soon. :cool:

W/F, I noticed the same thing in my Tuff Country catalog. It says 5.5" and in the mags it says 4.5".

To tell ya the truth I would rather have a 4.5" rather than 6". I think I am going with the Tuff lift once they have the spindle situation worked out and available with the kit.

wait...the tuff country lift is available for 2x4 ???

How high and how much...

Link me please!


Abel

Your first name wouldn't happen to be Mike would it?

Currently there is no Tuff Country available for the Tundra whatsoever. The 4WD has been discontinued and they are working on replacing a few things. The new kit is scheduled to be out in 90-120 days. Right now the only lifts available are body, coilover, and spacer.

Clay

what is the deal with Swayaways coilovers ?

and how much lift?

Abel

2wd=3.5 inches front end lift.

I got this email when asking about the tuff lift.

Thank you for your interest in our products. We are looking into a spindle option for the Tundra kit. At this time we are still trying to work out some bugs with the spindle design. If all goes well we expect to have the spindle design available within 60-90 days. If you have any more questions let me know.



Thank you

Shawn Dille

National Sales Supervisor

Tuff Country Suspension

im definately interested in getting the lifted spindles? did he mention how much lift or price by any chance? 60 to 90 days is better than waitng till dec or jan for rcd's spindle? man would it be sweet if we could get a group buy on the spindles!!!!!
mike;

Someone please clue me in here. What is the deal with the spindles, and why do we talk about "lifted spindles"? Thanks.

if you are gonna admit you don't know what they are...then I am with you!

haha...what the hell are the spindels? Are spindles not the piece on which the wheel rotates ?


Anyways...

If you check out the photo I have highlighted in red the part that is what I believe to be the spindle.

If someone dissagrees with me Please come forth.

http://www.tundrasolutions.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=9334

I have also seen this called a steering knuckle so this is why I say what I believe to be the spindle.

Originally posted by silverTRD
im definately interested in getting the lifted spindles? did he mention how much lift or price by any chance? 60 to 90 days is better than waitng till dec or jan for rcd's spindle? man would it be sweet if we could get a group buy on the spindles!!!!!
mike;

No but I will write him back in about a couple months or so.

Imdone is right. The highlighted part in the picture is the spindle. For the folks who haven't been around since the start of the whole RCD thing heres some info. Tuff Country produced a lift kit which came with a ball joint spacer. The ball joint is located at the top of the spindle. When a spacer is used, instead of a longer, stronger spindle, all the weight of the front end is put on the stock spindle. When this occurs, the stock spindle snaps and you have a broken suspension. What RCD has been doing, and what Tuff Country is now doing, is designing a replacement spindle instead of just a spacer. This should solve the breakage issue and we can all go high.

Clay

Originally posted by shreveporttundra
This should solve the breakage issue and we can all go high.

Clay

YEAH WE CAN GET HIGH!!!!!!!! :cool:

OOOPS I mean go high, yeah go high. :eek:

Hey, you guys wanna go high? I'm just gonna wait a couple months then go high,,,,,

Clay

I want to go 6 inch lift with a 3 inch body lift, and 35 inch tires...yeah I want to go high

You could clear the 35's with just the 6" suspension lift. Really no reason to go with the body lift as well unless you like it really high. I fight with the girlfriend everytime I mention lifting my truck higher. We need support groups.

Clay

you may say I needn't go higher...but maybe you haven't seen this..
http://www.toyotaparts4u.com/Tundraon42saol.com_1.jpg

Yup guys. It's on 42's...I talked to this guy a while back, he did it all custom and his truck was also stolen. Haven' t talked to him since.

This is my inspirtation..and i only want a 10 inch lift really.

my girlfriend tells me and i quote "how the hell am i gonna get it?" and i say don't worry baby, i'll push you in;-)
mike;

wow I just found a site with many impressive tundras, anyone want to ask them about how they lifted theirs ? Check this site out!!!!!



Awesome Tundras (http://www.toyotaparts4u.com/show_us_your_toy_tundra.htm)

That site has been around for awhile now. In fact, most of the Tundra's on there are members of this site. Nothing on that page I haven't seen before.

Clay

damn....I thought I was being original..sorry guys.

well lets just sit around like jackasses then and not lift our trucks until tuff country of RCD do something.

Laters

Abel

Hey that's my Tundra (Keoni's) 3+ years ago. You can tell there were'nt many aftermarket products yet for the Tundra back then according to my future mod wish list. Alohas!



Originally posted by shreveporttundra
That site has been around for awhile now. In fact, most of the Tundra's on there are members of this site. Nothing on that page I haven't seen before.

Clay

Originally posted by OCTundraTRD
you may say I needn't go higher...but maybe you haven't seen this..
http://www.toyotaparts4u.com/Tundraon42saol.com_1.jpg

Yup guys. It's on 42's...I talked to this guy a while back, he did it all custom and his truck was also stolen. Haven' t talked to him since.

This is my inspirtation..and i only want a 10 inch lift really.

Thats Tundraon42's truck. He was a member here. You can see a few more pics of it in Quicktoy's gallery. :cool:

His truck rocks man...did you guys see his sub install ? That was crazy!

Ya that install was sweet! I loved everything about his truck. He actually had a mag feature in Off-Road. Sucks that someone had to steal it. :( Here's a pretty cool pic, the highest and the lowest. PIC. (http://www.tundrasolutions.com/photopost/data/564/409DSC00001-med.JPG?4500)

man i sure wish those spindles were ready!!! i took my tundra off roading and landed pretty hard ao both my spindles are tweeked. they cost 400 a peice, too bad i cant lift my truck if im spending that much. oh well, such as life huh?
mike;

You probably shouldn't have been trying to jump a stock truck in the first place. ;)

actually...i didnt try to jump it. i was on a really light trail and i didnt see the turn because a tree covered the trail so i went of the trail. so do us all a favor and dont assume things ok there buddy.
mike;

Was a joke man, hence the use of the smilie. Lighten up a bit.

sorry bout' that... i have a bit of a temper, won't happen again
mike;

RCD sent me their pamphlet regarding their 6 inch lift last week. The one to talk to there is Ken Yoder, he said they were going to definitely release the kit this year, but didn't give me a date:cry:. I can't say I'm shocked. I'm thinking maybe by this years sema show:confused:. I know someone else in this forum contacted them and heard the same riff raff, so we will see?!?!?!:sleep:

To add to my thread about RCD, I say, if they don't come up with the goods by the end of this year, I'm going with the Tuff Country/coilover combo! F**k waiting a lifetime for an empty promise. A spindle bracket sounds good to me. Leathernuts has his Tundra up 8 inches high and it looks fantastic. Take a look under photos if you haven't already seen his truck. "Patience is for those with nothing else.":devil:

...if i wuz you i'd continue to be patient ;)

I called the El Cajon office tuesday. The word is they just cleared out projects off their floor making room. The cop-out answer was that "testing has been going on for the last nine months to make sure everything is alright". He was not sure whats gonna be on the table next. ill check back in 2 weeks.

Deepstealth,

Because RCD is that good or Tuff is that bad?

T/C just doesn't have a spindle setup and the ball joint spacer is not bullet proof.

T/C will be coming out with a spindle. There is no date yet but so it goes with T/C and RCD.

I think if one comes out with a new spindle it will light a candle under the others arse.

Originally posted by Imdone
I think if one comes out with a new spindle it will light a candle under the others arse.

That's a great way of putting it. With so much pressure and time in developing a new spindle lift for the Tundra, the debut of one will most definately force the other as well. I'm leaning towards RCD tho in terms of quality (have friends with RCD lifts). I could easily be wrong tho.

Originally posted by cacaman
Deepstealth,

Because RCD is that good or Tuff is that bad?

...for now, both...be patient...i shall say no more ;)

The RCD lift has a new spindle included with the kit. There is a picture of it in the brochure I have...........

Originally posted by DeepStealth
...for now, both...be patient...i shall say no more ;)

OK:cool:

well i talked to the guys at rcd on saturday at the offroad expo, And they told me that the 6 inch kit is going to be availible in dec. It will come with the spindles bearings and cradle.It will be somewere around low 2000,s there not sure yet. thats all i have.

well i talked to the guys at rcd on saturday at the offroad expo, And they told me that the 6 inch kit is going to be availible in dec. It will come with the spindles bearings and cradle.It will be somewere around low 2000,s there not sure yet. thats all i have.

that's not a bad price...now to see if it includes brake lines, abs extension lines, etc. etc. etc...probably not for 2K, but that might be a good thing, since it will allow more customization.

WHoooooooPPPeeee! Finally! Yes! Overreacted but that's all I have to say.

Bearings too? I wonder why? LOL I didnt stop by the RCD booth, so I wasnt gonna say anything but it looks like the words geting out.

they said the bearings are a joke, and if u try and press them out they shatter. The bearings are 125.00 a side by the way.

they don't really shatter, more like fly across the room after being subjected to 17 tons and an air hammer.

...not that this comes from experience, or anything :devil:...i'm really glad i had the guys at the dealership do it for me :p.

i still have the old bearings from my hub conversion (same dealio here, but a spindle conversion) in a box in the garage. they don't survive removal, frankly i'm surprised the hubs survived removal. the bearings just kind of disintegrate.

-sean

I really hate to rain on anyones parade, but they've been 'forecasting' their release date for 3 months after anyone asks them.... and this has been going on for nearly 2 years....

they said the bearings are a joke, and if u try and press them out they shatter. The bearings are 125.00 a side by the way.

I dont know of any bearing that has to be pressed that can survive one installation, let alone a removal and re-installation.

I really hate to rain on anyones parade, but they've been 'forecasting' their release date for 3 months after anyone asks them.... and this has been going on for nearly 2 years....

werd... I remember people talking about this lift before the site crashed :p

I dont know of any bearing that has to be pressed that can survive one installation, let alone a removal and re-installation.

yeah, that and i dunno if a tech's nerves can survive more than one round with the bearings anyway. the guy that did the presswork on my truck was pretty freaked out after he had to take an air hammer to the bearings while they were under 17T of pressure, just to remove the bloody things.

I just recently went to the shop that happens to be a distributor for RCD here in Vegas. I brought the pamphlet of the 6-inch Tundra lift that RCD sent me in the mail some time ago. This guy at the shop actually called them for me, because he had not heard anything about this lift prior to me bringing in my pamphlet. They told him that they put the Tundra lift on the back burner, because they are trying to get their new Dodge lift ready in time for this years SEMA show. So don't hold your breath counting on December, unless you plan to buy a Dodge. RCD did say that 6 months was a more realistic expectation. The guy at the shop did say that if you want the most awesome lift you can get RCD is worth the wait.

I just recently went to the shop that happens to be a distributor for RCD here in Vegas. I brought the pamphlet of the 6-inch Tundra lift that RCD sent me in the mail some time ago. This guy at the shop actually called them for me, because he had not heard anything about this lift prior to me bringing in my pamphlet. They told him that they put the Tundra lift on the back burner, because they are trying to get their new Dodge lift ready in time for this years SEMA show. So don't hold your breath counting on December, unless you plan to buy a Dodge. RCD did say that 6 months was a more realistic expectation. The guy at the shop did say that if you want the most awesome lift you can get RCD is worth the wait.

Figures.... Well, at least this gives us all ample time to save up some cash!!! :devil:

if you want the most awsome "lift" money can get you go to a fab shop and get a fully fabricated upright, uppers, lowers, everything double shear, coil carriers, bypasses, heim steering, full engine cage to mount everything to and your out the door no less than 10K :)

if you want the most awsome "lift" money can get you go to a fab shop and get a fully fabricated upright, uppers, lowers, everything double shear, coil carriers, bypasses, heim steering, full engine cage to mount everything to and your out the door no less than 10K :)

Here's the trouble with that theory - if you are crazy enough to spend 10 grand on these trucks, you had damn well better off-road it to hell. And if you do that, you're gunna break something. And if you break something, they start another part from scratch, and voiala, more money. I hate loving lifted trucks...

Okay, this always backfires when I open my yapper... I just registered on here because I want to trade some tail lights but I figured I'd do a Search for RCD and find out what the word is. I've read through a bunch of stuff on here and yep, you guys have been waiting awhile. Sooo, now for the part that's gonna get me in trouble cause you guys will call in and say that I told you such and such and blah blah blah but... I think it's unfair to listen to a line when all you want is a lift for your truck. If I was in the same boat I'd be pissed right now. So, from a secret source (aka, me)... The Tundra kit is full steam ahead at RCD. RCD will be doing final fit testing immediately after SEMA, 3 weeks. RCD will be making any last minute tweaks and finalizing all purchased items like break lines, spindles, and bearings at that time and placing those orders. (yes the kit will come with DOT approved *****en triple throw me down st. stl. braided brakelines and factory wheel bearings because the damn things are virtually impossible to remove without exploding) After any fixture changes or bracket changes are made from what is learned at that fit testing it'll go into production. Expect 3 solid months from production release till shipping... Soooo if everything goes good a realistic release date would be Feb-March...

I'm not posting anything more then this because of bad experiences in the past with giving info... BTW, I'm the production engineer at RCD and if you guys could, please don't call and say that you heard this from me on a webpage... :ts:

Okay, this always backfires when I open my yapper... I just registered on here because I want to trade some tail lights but I figured I'd do a Search for RCD and find out what the word is. I've read through a bunch of stuff on here and yep, you guys have been waiting awhile. Sooo, now for the part that's gonna get me in trouble cause you guys will call in and say that I told you such and such and blah blah blah but... I think it's unfair to listen to a line when all you want is a lift for your truck. If I was in the same boat I'd be pissed right now. So, from a secret source (aka, me)... The Tundra kit is full steam ahead at RCD. RCD will be doing final fit testing immediately after SEMA, 3 weeks. RCD will be making any last minute tweaks and finalizing all purchased items like break lines, spindles, and bearings at that time and placing those orders. (yes the kit will come with DOT approved *****en triple throw me down st. stl. braided brakelines and factory wheel bearings because the damn things are virtually impossible to remove without exploding) After any fixture changes or bracket changes are made from what is learned at that fit testing it'll go into production. Expect 3 solid months from production release till shipping... Soooo if everything goes good a realistic release date would be Feb-March...

I'm not posting anything more then this because of bad experiences in the past with giving info... BTW, I'm the production engineer at RCD and if you guys could, please don't call and say that you heard this from me on a webpage... :ts:

This is the first bit of solid news ANY of us have heard yet, and believe me, we ALL greatly appreciate it. Expect to get about 1,000 PMs in the next week, hope you dont mind :p What is the expected price for this kit, and possible install prices??? Thanks again, this is awesome. In your opinion, how 'off-road worthy' will this kit be???

-A.J.

Okay, 1st off let me reitterate, please don't bombard my marketing guys with calls and stuff saying you "heard" this and that. I got in trouble for letting info out and slamming them with phone calls for our Ranger kit months before it was available. Please don't create tons of work for them and it'll keep me outta trouble.

I'll be up front, I can't go into details at all on pricing cause 1st, it's not my job and I always have to ask for prices cause I don't know them... And 2nd cause I haven't given them a complete bill of material to even do pricing off. Marketing/Sales can probably ball park something though. So with that said, I won't know pricing until you guys probably do...

Off-Road worthy, to be honest this kit right now looks like the most stout one we build. The front crossmember is a MONSTER and the rear crossmember will definately hold it's own. It's been so long since I've seen a stock spindle but the arm going to the upper ball joint I remember it being tiny. Ours is pretty massive. It's coming stock with a 1/8" skid plate that will bolt on and protect the diff (if you're 4WD) and is also used to tie the two crossmembers together to aid in ridgidity (sp?). It will have a new swaybar that's going to be stiffer then stock to keep the body roll down on the street. Not sure how that'll be in the dirt but you can always take it off if it hinders you. (obviously RCD doesn't recomend that but I don't have any swaybars on my Exploder anymore) Our Tundra is in pieces right now and I didn't get a chance to drive it before we tore it apart. I'll let you know my personal opinion on handling in a couple weeks when we get it back together. To me, the only "cheezy" part of the kit is the rear but to me all of our kits rears are "cheezy" except our ranger kits. I say this cause it's just gonna be a block and maybe a add-a-leaf. I personally would rather see a shackle and a LONG aad-a-leaf so it still flexes but doesn't use the gay ass block. It's not my decision though... I'm sure if you used our front kit and a set of custom Deaver leafs in the rear it would be a SICK ass truck off road. I'm new to this site... Can you upload photos? I just went down and took a digital so you guys don't think I'm full of sh!t...

Once again, please don't blow up the phones now with questions...

test attaching a photo... forgive me, I'm new here...

If it works, this is a pallet of 3 kits painted and pretty much ready for install with the exception of the skidplate cause that was a F'up on my part... They should be ready tomorrow. You can kinda see the spindles there and the st.stl. compression struts. The crossmembers are under the cardboard on the pallet. Sorry about detail... I didn't really want to show much, just kind of a tongue wetter!!! :p


Damn it... the stupid file is too large to attach. Can anyone host it and attach a URL? I'll email it to you...

test attaching a photo... forgive me, I'm new here...

No need to apologize. The photo didn't work though. You probably need to resize it.

test attaching a photo... forgive me, I'm new here...

No worries on the phone calls, PMs are Private Messages, sent to you on this site and on this site only. I hope you figure out how to upload, I haven't taken the time to upload a photo since the site was re-done a week ago. Thanks again for all the info.

Okay, try this... Click here (http://photos.yahoo.com/sirhk100) or skip down two posts cause I figured out how to upload :D But DO read this post, it's got a lot of useless info!!!

That's my yahoo photos page... Feel free to look at my dirt bike or my Exploder. It's for sale if any of you Tundra guys wanna jump ship and haul ass in style!!! I'm selling it to build a '90 yota 4WD to prerun,chase with, and play with. Anyways, look in the Explorer file and hit "show all". It loaded at the bottom of the page... Yes that's me on the bike.

Oh, and yeah, I know what PMs are from forums I'm active on. I haven't noticed where on this one it lets you know that you have them though? Does a envelope blink at me or anything?

LOL, oh and one last thing, since I've got some attention, go to the classifieds section and find my post about trading, especially if you're in SoCal and reading this!!!

test attaching a photo... forgive me, I'm new here...

If it works, this is a pallet of 3 kits painted and pretty much ready for install with the exception of the skidplate cause that was a F'up on my part... They should be ready tomorrow. You can kinda see the spindles there and the st.stl. compression struts. The crossmembers are under the cardboard on the pallet. Sorry about detail... I didn't really want to show much, just kind of a tongue wetter!!! :p


Damn it... the stupid file is too large to attach. Can anyone host it and attach a URL? I'll email it to you...
To upload photos, click the http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/images/buttons/myphotos.gif (http://www.tundrasolutions.com/photopost/showgallery.php?ppuser=20768) button below your post and you'll see your personal gallery space. Then click the Upload Photos (http://www.tundrasolutions.com/photopost/uploadphoto.php?cat=500) link on that page to upload images any size you like (they'll be shrunk down if they are overly huge).

LoL, Okay, I uploaded that photo here and it's bigger so you can see it a little better but I don't understand where it's stored. I got the URL off the properties but I couldn't even figure out how to get back here. I'll figure it out, this is just a little different then I'm used to...

Click here... (http://www.tundrasolutions.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=11572&size=big&password=&sort=1&cat=500&page=1)

LOL, I'm slowly catching on here... :ts:

Sirhk, you sound like a pretty straight shooter for a vector-head. Thanks the insight and info...

So I spend lots of money and an enormous amount of time tryign to figure out good a 4WD lift without ruining my CV's etc and you come out with a 6" kit that does it all better.

FINALLY :)

Please let us know whenit is actually for sale, mnay of us would jump at the chance to get one.

So I spend lots of money and an enormous amount of time tryign to figure out good a 4WD lift without ruining my CV's etc and you come out with a 6" kit that does it all better.


LOL, yeah this kit looks like it's going to be a pretty solid kit. Steering geometery will remain the same with some magic that we've created (can't let the cat totally outta the bag) and the CV angles aren't extreme at all at ride height. Crossing my fingers, we'll be doing fit testing in two weeks on our Tundra and then one more fit test on another tundra we have lined up. Once we get results from those and make any final tweaks it'll be on for production. BTW just a heads up... The first production run is usually kinda small, like 100 kits or so just in case something doesn't go right. After we get some initial feedback that all is going smooth we'll crank out tons more.

Khris

sirhk100-

Will RCD sell the spindles alone?
Will there be a conversion mount for the rear 5100's offered with this kit?
Can aftermarket coilovers be used with this kit?
Can aftermarket upper a-arms be used with this kit?

I would really like these questions answered please. By the way, thanks for all the help. I'd watch out though, these kits will sell like crazy!

Another ? Will this kit work on a 2-wheel drive :devil:

Another ? Will this kit work on a 2-wheel drive :devil:

yes it will

As said above, yes it will work on 2WD. You'll end up with a handfull of extra bolts to add to your bolt bucket in the garage.

Selling the spindles alone won't do anything for you. They are built to work with the new geometery the kit is giving the steering components and the distance between the upper and lower control arm. If you're thinking of doing some sort of custom thing, you'd have to call our marketing dept and talk to them. My guess is that they won't do it though.

What do you mean by a conversion kit for the rear 5100? The kit will come with a set of 5100 shocks for the rear valved specifically for our system. I'm confused as to what you want to know?

I can't 100% answer the aftermarket c/o question but I don't see why you couldn't. I'll try to go down and look at the kit on our truck to see if it looks like there's any reason you couldn't. You probably wouldn't want to use them to crank it up higher then what our kit does for you in the front if you're 4WD though cause the angles on the CV's may get extreme. That would be your own judgment though at that point. 2WD I don't see why you couldn't crank it up.

Ummm, custom uppers... Depends on what's different about them. If the pivot oints and upper B/J is in the same locations in reference to the stock I don't see any reason. I'll have to look at it and see what it would do if they aren't. Give me some info on what you're thinking. And I'll see what I can get back to you with.

Yeah, we know... That's why we bumped it up ahead of the Dodge guys. I guess it's their turn to sit and wait and hear the marketing 3 months out excuse... :clown:

Ummm, custom uppers... Depends on what's different about them. If the pivot oints and upper B/J is in the same locations in reference to the stock I don't see any reason. I'll have to look at it and see what it would do if they aren't. Give me some info on what you're thinking. And I'll see what I can get back to you with.

The custom uppers are Total Chaos Uniball control arms. Here (http://www.chaosfab.com/products/tacoma/tacoma-uca.htm) they are.

What do you mean by a conversion kit for the rear 5100?

I meant it seems that the 5100's have a different mounting setup to install them. Dyogim had to make a custom mount for them.

http://www.tundrasolutions.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=9580&password=&sort=1&cat=998&page=1

http://www.tundrasolutions.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=9791&password=&sort=1&cat=998&page=1

Interesting on the rear shock mounts. I'll go look under the rear of ours tomorrow and see what we did. Either way, what ever you need to mount them I can guarentee will be included with the kit.

Total Choas upper arms... LOL, I happen to be friends and go to the desert occasionally with the owners of TC. I'll email them and see what they've done to see if it may work with our kit.

No offense but if you're upgrading to TC why are you lifting it? Their kits KICK ASS and are a step above ours. They're stuff is all chromoly racing quality stuff. If you're going uniball are you also going to a true c/o with a custom upper mount to really get the long travel? I'll check out the link to the TC upper arms tomorrow at work when I'm not on dial up and get back to you when I get more info...

No offense but if you're upgrading to TC why are you lifting it? Their kits KICK ASS and are a step above ours. They're stuff is all chromoly racing quality stuff. If you're going uniball are you also going to a true c/o with a custom upper mount to really get the long travel? I'll check out the link to the TC upper arms tomorrow at work when I'm not on dial up and get back to you when I get more info...

The upper uniball a-arms solve the ball joint problems for our trucks. If I had the TC long travel kit, I would even be talking about this RCD stuff. I already have the upper a-arms and the King single rate coilovers. I was just wondering if they could be used with the kit. Im not that crazy about my 33's. Im not having fun off-roading with them. They are only at 3" right now and I'd like to adjust them higher but I cant safely(even with my uniballs). I'd think that I would have a badass suspension with that drop bracket and spindle.

Dang - I'm in a tough spot right now with all this. I gotta do something soon because my Fabtechs are falling apart! :eek:

Jeff

I meant it seems that the 5100's have a different mounting setup to install them. Dyogim had to make a custom mount for them.

http://www.tundrasolutions.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=9580&password=&sort=1&cat=998&page=1

http://www.tundrasolutions.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=9791&password=&sort=1&cat=998&page=1


Okay, I finally went and crawled under ours... No moutns like that are used. The shocks that are coming with our kit will have a post on top just like stock so there is no need for the adaptor.

I just sent a email to my friends at TC to ask about the upper arm issue. Looking at it I don't see why the combo wouldn't work but I'll wait to see what they say.

PXLpainter... Can you hold out a couple more months? (Like realistically 4-5) Looks like you've got some thinking to do...

PXLpainter... Can you hold out a couple more months? (Like realistically 4-5) Looks like you've got some thinking to do...

If I can get my Fabtechs fixed reasonably - yes. Otherwise I'm not going to throw good money at them.

(Unless you need a "Beta Tester" in the mean time!) nudge nudge - wink wink - knowhatimean? ;)

Jeff

If I can get my Fabtechs fixed reasonably - yes. Otherwise I'm not going to throw good money at them.

(Unless you need a "Beta Tester" in the mean time!) nudge nudge - wink wink - knowhatimean? ;)

Jeff

HAHA, shoulda bought the Donahoes!!! :p If they're anything like the ones on my friends taco they kick ass!!! I don't think that Blue company has put out anything decent since they got "big". Except for their couple spindle/crossmember kits for the smae platforms as ours that happened to come out right after ours. LOL, anyone wanna place bets on if their 2WD ranger kit takes a DRASTIC change in design once ours really takes off soon? :eek:

LOL, okay just to minimize the PM's... We've already got the test platforms lined up. We've got a tundra and are using an employees and one company friends truck. Sorry... :clown: :devil:

HAHA, shoulda bought the Donahoes!!! :p If they're anything like the ones on my friends taco they kick ass!!! I don't think that Blue company has put out anything decent since they got "big". Except for their couple spindle/crossmember kits for the smae platforms as ours that happened to come out right after ours. LOL, anyone wanna place bets on if their 2WD ranger kit takes a DRASTIC change in design once ours really takes off soon? :eek:

LOL, okay just to minimize the PM's... We've already got the test platforms lined up. We've got a tundra and are using an employees and one company friends truck. Sorry... :clown: :devil:

I would like an option to just buy the front setup w/o shocks. an ideal setup with this kit would be

-rcd front
-c/o fronts
-deaver rears

I would much rather do a different rear setup than blocks of aal's And Im sure we can get a GROUP together that would be at least 20-40 members.

If I can get my Fabtechs fixed reasonably - yes. Otherwise I'm not going to throw good money at them.

(Unless you need a "Beta Tester" in the mean time!) nudge nudge - wink wink - knowhatimean? ;)

Jeff


Having alot of problems with the fabs huh?? you should PM Bill West "teamwest". See what kind of solutions are out there for you. you should take advantage since you live in OC.

The custom uppers are Total Chaos Uniball control arms. Here (http://www.chaosfab.com/products/tacoma/tacoma-uca.htm) they are.


Okay, straight from the people above...

Yes we retain the stock mounting locations and length. A slug adapter is pressed into the spindle and has a retaining clip. It actually functions better that the factory angle for roll design.

With this in mind and from the emails, both TC and I don't see why their upper arm wouldn't function together with our kit. That doesn't mean it WILL but it seems like it should. If you do try it, you'll be the 1st to know but I'd be willing to bet it will from what I've found out...

FYI, 2wd fit test of all brackets yesterday went flawless. Were assembling the spindles today and will install and align next week. Then gotta do an install on a 4WD and make sure the diff goes in okay and all the angles still are acceptable and we're in business!!!

FYI, 2wd fit test of all brackets yesterday went flawless. Were assembling the spindles today and will install and align next week. Then gotta do an install on a 4WD and make sure the diff goes in okay and all the angles still are acceptable and we're in business!!!

Nice! Thanks for keepin us updated.

Having alot of problems with the fabs huh?? you should PM Bill West "teamwest". See what kind of solutions are out there for you. you should take advantage since you live in OC.
Just an update on my Fabtechs - They sent me new Urethane bushings for free when I emailed them about the jerkwads at 4WheelParts. They recommended Aggressive Suspension in Anaheim - closer to me anyways and they'll get me taken care of for $150. :tu:

NOW... can't wait to see the finished RCDs (and what they'll cost)... I sure as heck don't wanna go with a body lift if I can help it!

Jeff

I would be interested in participating in a group buy for the front end kit, assuming there is no snags in the 4wd fitment.

I just logged back in to TS and just read about your situation Jeff. I was about to ask what part of the coilover is falling apart before reading the rest of the thread. I'm glad I did. :) Those lower bushings are free, and I'm glad you got them before the situation got any worse. Had you not, the lower shock mount itself would have split in half and your coilovers would have been gone all together. It happened to me before but I lucked out and got a new set of coilovers from fabtech courtesy of my friends at a local truck shop. That was a while back before I got rid of my tundra and sold all the mod pieces on e-Bay. :cry:

Now all this RCD talk is getting me really excited eventhough I don't have a Tundra no more. Can't wait to see one roll around the neighborhood by x-mas. You'll see me looking under several lifted tundras...mmm I gotta be careful, I might piss someone off.



Just an update on my Fabtechs - They sent me new Urethane bushings for free when I emailed them about the jerkwads at 4WheelParts. They recommended Aggressive Suspension in Anaheim - closer to me anyways and they'll get me taken care of for $150. :tu:

NOW... can't wait to see the finished RCDs (and what they'll cost)... I sure as heck don't wanna go with a body lift if I can help it!

Jeff

Okay - I've gone back a bit but still haven't found any "before & after" photos with the RCD lift installed on your test Tundras. Got any yet? It would be cool to see something besides a palette full of parts! ;)

Dennis -

I just went to Aggressive Suspensions in Anaheim, CA today with my Fabtech delrin replacement parts in hand, and they fixed me up! It sets higher and rides better now than it did when those bozos at 4 Wheel Parts hacked it together when they installed it!!

I'm very happy with it now - nice firm ride that doesn't rattle my teeth anymore! (and NO MORE SQUEAKING!!) :D

Jeff

Nice job! I love it! The limo companies ought to consider building such a beast! :D

Herbicidal

any idea what size tires the rcd lift will be able to accomodate?

any idea what size tires the rcd lift will be able to accomodate?

35's. I'm sure you'll see some people with the RCD and body lift running 35-37.

I sure am interested in this 6" lift described here, but have a few questions:

Is it adjustable down from 6", in case that is just too high?
If one adjusts the height up/down, does it require a new alignment?
Does this kit include a solution to the upper ball-joint problem and the cv boot problem that people describe having with lifted trucks?
How will the ride be, other things equal?
I have stock 17" rims. Are there bigger tires that fit them without rubbing, assuming I used this lift, or would any larger tires require new rims with different backspacing?
Thanks in advance for your help.

RoundOut

1. Dont think its gonna be adjustable unless you do coliover combo which will only go up.

2. Anything adjusting in height will need an alignment.

3. You are not changing the geometry of the CV's and I dont think the ball joints will be affected either being that this is a drop bracket kit. (body and frame lift)

4. you assumed right, new rims new BS new 35's

1. Dont think its gonna be adjustable unless you do coliover combo which will only go up.

2. Anything adjusting in height will need an alignment.

3. You are not changing the geometry of the CV's and I dont think the ball joints will be affected either being that this is a drop bracket kit. (body and frame lift)

4. you assumed right, new rims new BS new 35'sSo you're saying that if I added this to my current 2-1/2" Coilover lift, I'll have an 8"+ lift on the front??? :eek:

Also - I didn't know this included a body lift at all... or am I reading you wrong there..??

Jeff

Can anyone update the release dat on the rcd? I'm very impatient! I've been waiting for over a year and all I hear is "in the next two months". :o SORRY for the rant. I want my RCD!! :)

Can anyone update the release dat on the rcd? I'm very impatient! I've been waiting for over a year and all I hear is "in the next two months". :o SORRY for the rant. I want my RCD!! :)

Anyone?? :cry:

Anyone?? :cry:

Sorry man, but you gotta relax. There is no official release date, best guess is March. We've been waiting 2 years for this, so it's best not to hold your breath. From the sounds of it, it will be within the next 6 months, at the latest.

Maybe they're waiting to see how drastic the redesign of the 2006 is going to be before they release any more info? ;)

Sorry man, but you gotta relax. There is no official release date, best guess is March. We've been waiting 2 years for this, so it's best not to hold your breath. From the sounds of it, it will be within the next 6 months, at the latest.

Thanks for the reply. It's just that someone (I think the guy in the 1st post) said that it'll prob. be out in Dec. Anyways, does anyone at least know if I'm gonna need a certain wheel backspacing with the RCD kit? I'd like to get my wheels now so that I don't have to spend a boat load when the lift is released. Thanks a lot guys!!! :D

Thanks for the reply. It's just that someone (I think the guy in the 1st post) said that it'll prob. be out in Dec. Anyways, does anyone at least know if I'm gonna need a certain wheel backspacing with the RCD kit? I'd like to get my wheels now so that I don't have to spend a boat load when the lift is released. Thanks a lot guys!!! :D

For 35's, It will be best to have wheels with 3 5/8 back spacing. You will have rubbing on the frame, a-arm, and bumper if you dont.

Sorry about bailing on you guys... I don't own a Tundra and wasn't really checking the forum continuously. We still haven't done the fit test on the 4WD truck yet. I'm having a hell of a time getting my hands on a company that will give us a good price on outsoarcing our sway-bar manufacturing. (Just trying to keep the cost down for you guys... Sorrry) Once I get my hands on a 1st article sway bar, we'll do the fit test and assuming all is well with that we'll start into production.

Tire size... ours is on a 315/75/16 if I remember right.

Photos... Check my gallery again. I put a couple more up. I'm not comfortable loading the place with pics cause of bad previous experiences.

Thanks for keeping us updated and puttin up some more pics. Would you mind getting a shot of the truck from a little bit further away, just so we can get an idea of what it looks like? Thanks.

Yeah, I'll try to snap one later today or tomorrow. Kinda busy with other stuff, but I'll grab one for you...

Jeff,

I haven't seen the kit yet but assuming that the 6" of lift maintains suspension geometry and correct CV joint angles, that means that adding your Fabtech coilovers (set for 2.5" of lift) would introduce some to the CV joints. Most likely, it would look close to how yours is now with just the coilovers installed. Hope that makes sense.

BTW, 8" of lift sounds very nice...38" tires...here we go!!!

-Dennis



So you're saying that if I added this to my current 2-1/2" Coilover lift, I'll have an 8"+ lift on the front??? :eek:

Also - I didn't know this included a body lift at all... or am I reading you wrong there..??

Jeff

Jeff,

I haven't seen the kit yet but assuming that the 6" of lift maintains suspension geometry and correct CV joint angles, that means that adding your Fabtech coilovers (set for 2.5" of lift) would introduce some to the CV joints. Most likely, it would look close to how yours is now with just the coilovers installed. Hope that makes sense.

BTW, 8" of lift sounds very nice...38" tires...here we go!!!

-DennisOh geez Dennis - no, actually, I'm more confused! :eek:

Jeff

Sorry to confuse you, it's better to see it in actuality to understand it. But...of course, no truck with that set up to show ya.


Oh geez Dennis - no, actually, I'm more confused! :eek:

Jeff

Sorry to confuse you, it's better to see it in actuality to understand it. But...of course, no truck with that set up to show ya.
No prob Dennis - I'm just a little dense this week - major lack of sleep! ;)

I can't afford anything like the RCDs anyway - or else I'd prolly already have a Camburg setup like Fyrfly6 has! :D

Jeff

Lack of sleep, well that'll do u in for a loop or two. As for Camburg, I'd only consider that if my Tundra sees the trails or sand dunes more than the street. Somehow, I just can't get used to the look of the front tires sticking out to the sides way past the rear tires. Looks kinda goofy in my opinion (no offense to Fyrfly6), I guess that's the trade off for wanting long travel front suspension. If I still have my Tundra or if I ever do get one in the future, I'd go for the RCD, change the upper arm to another one with uniball (if there is one out now that is not for long travel), and then go with coilovers and turn it up a few inches. Then go for a 35" or even 38" tires (if it fits). I know its not a setup for serious offroaders but it's a good one for just doing a lil bit of mild trailing and street.



No prob Dennis - I'm just a little dense this week - major lack of sleep! ;)

I can't afford anything like the RCDs anyway - or else I'd prolly already have a Camburg setup like Fyrfly6 has! :D

Jeff

Lack of sleep, well that'll do u in for a loop or two. As for Camburg, I'd only consider that if my Tundra sees the trails or sand dunes more than the street. Somehow, I just can't get used to the look of the front tires sticking out to the sides way past the rear tires. Looks kinda goofy in my opinion (no offense to Fyrfly6), I guess that's the trade off for wanting long travel front suspension. If I still have my Tundra or if I ever do get one in the future, I'd go for the RCD, change the upper arm to another one with uniball (if there is one out now that is not for long travel), and then go with coilovers and turn it up a few inches. Then go for a 35" or even 38" tires (if it fits). I know its not a setup for serious offroaders but it's a good one for just doing a lil bit of mild trailing and street.Well - you need to see fyrfly6's Tundra in person - which I understand he's done a bit more since these pictures were taken:

http://www.tundrasolutions.com/photopost/showphoto.php/photo/8953/password//sort/1/cat/all/page/1

His rear end matches the front quite nicely - but it's not stock either. ;)

I just do a little trailblazin' when I get a chance, so I really don't need a serious setup like that right now - and I sure don't need to have the "ride in the sky" look that all the rich little bastards around SoCal are driving on the streets (and never off road of course - that would get their shocks all dirty!). ;)

Jeff

Yea I met him in person at the 2nd from the last Tom's Farm Meet. If I remember, that was his wedding day and he managed to come and say a quick hello to everyone and took off. He's got guts man!



Well - you need to see fyrfly6's Tundra in person - which I understand he's done a bit more since these pictures were taken:

http://www.tundrasolutions.com/photopost/showphoto.php/photo/8953/password//sort/1/cat/all/page/1

His rear end matches the front quite nicely - but it's not stock either. ;)

I just do a little trailblazin' when I get a chance, so I really don't need a serious setup like that right now - and I sure don't need to have the "ride in the sky" look that all the rich little bastards around SoCal are driving on the streets (and never off road of course - that would get their shocks all dirty!). ;)

Jeff

Yeah, go ahead and be patient, by the time you raise your Tundra, it will be time for a new one!!! ;) The only problem I had was the spindle. I have a fab shop, and fixed it no problem. I would agree, the the ball joint spacer is a weak point, but other then my spindle, no problems. With the TW Coilovers, I elimanated the Coilover spacers. The front end is great. The only problem I have is the NWOR rear springs!! Very Stiff!! I am willing to bet the RCD kit will be a very quality kit and probaly worth waiting for if you're going to keep your Tun for a while, but I wouldn't say the TC lift is a bad kit. They were just first ones with the balls to put a lift out there other then 2.5" and now are working out the kinks i.e., need new spindle along with kit!! That would go for any kit though. :)

BTW, Keiphers, by the looks of your sig pic, I think your Tundra looks nice. Sometimes, when I have to work out of the bed, its a pain in the rear because its so high now. Your truck looks sweet and is still practical I bet. Just wanted to compliment your ride :tu:

There is a great shop in The Woodlands, TX that sells a lot of RCD products for non-Toyotas. I asked them to check on the availability of the 6" lift for Tundra and they said that their contact at RCD said February 1st they will begin shipping.

I have pretty much decided that this is the lift I want, and depending on how soon my factory rubber wears out, I will get in on the first batch or the second. I am not interested in replacing my tires before they wear down, just for economics reasons, but when they do. . . I think I will pull the trigger on this lift and new set of rims and BFGs or similar.

Hopefully this information can be confirmed here. Anybody?

I've also decided to add the RCD lift to my 2001 4x4 assuming it comes out. Anyone have any further updates?

Feb. 1st will be a miracle. I'm having a hell of a time getting the 1st article sway bar taken care of. I can't fit test the 4WD until I get that in my hands. Hopefully the fit test on the 4WD goes as good as the 2WD and then we'll roll into production. We usually expect about 3 months from the time I release the kit to production to the time it's in boxes and ready to ship... I'm HOPING to get that install done early Jan.

This is WAY better info then what my marketing guys have so go off of it. I'll check this forum occasionally and answer questions that I can... BTW, I'm the production engineer at RCD... :ts:

BTW, I was just going over the hardware pack info on your kits... GOD DAMN!!!! You guys are getting some EXPENSIVE bolts with this sucker!!! Talk about HUGE grade 8 stuff!!! :eek:

Sounds good!!! Question, I haven't really looked at the doublecab's front suspension however, I think it should be the same since the engine stayed the same. Have you guys looked into that and do you think the kit, when it comes out, would fit the d-cab? Just thought I'd ask for our d-cab owners, wouldn't want them to feel left out when the other smaller Tundras are rollin' high.


BTW, I was just going over the hardware pack info on your kits... GOD DAMN!!!! You guys are getting some EXPENSIVE bolts with this sucker!!! Talk about HUGE grade 8 stuff!!! :eek:

To be honest with you, no, we haven't checked into that. Maybe I'll add that as a criteria to add for the next test fit. I don't see why it wouldn't. Please add if you know something I don't, I'm just going off what I'm expecting to maybe be different judging from past experience. But... Only thing I could see maybe being affected is the angle on the front driveshaft if it's a 4WD double cab. That's what we REALLY have to check to make sure is good on the 4WD fit test. The kit is utilizing the stock spring on our Bilstein shock so if the spring rate is different one each platform from the factory the spring rate will be carried over to lift...

Arrrgghhhh! I'm having trouble waiting :)

Your lift, with my SAW's and heavy duty rear sprigs will make an awesome and functional lifted truck. Can't we bribe them to huryy up ;) :devil:

What's funny is that the company I'm working on having build the sway bars is a company that you all are VERY familiar with and for some reason I can't get them to take action. I'm litterally waiting on them to fax a credit app. so that we can order the 1st articles!!! In the end, you'll know what company is holding us up... And Coronelli, this kit will compliment your setup VERY nicely!!!

SirHK100, would you please detail for us, the main parts included in the kit as best you can? I am not looking for you to list every screw and nut, but I am advised by friends experienced with RCD that when RCD puts a kit out it is "bolt on" and complete. I was just about to go out and get a Helwig sway bar when I read your kit will include a sway bar. I understand that it will include lifting technology for both the front and back, but not sure how you plan to accomplish it. For example, do you have to extend the steering linkage, brake lines, wiring to the AAD system, speedometer, etc? Is the geometry of the front end going to be changed such that the ball-joint and CVs won't wear out like reported in other lifts above 2.5"? In the back, are you including an add-a-leaf, blocks, shackles, air-bags, etc?

Unfortunately, I am quite a novice at the intricacies of suspensions, shocks, coilovers, add-a-leafs, blocks, spindles, a-arms, etc. It would be most appreciated to understand more about the RCD kit.

Thanks in advance,
RoundOut

Yes our kits are 100% turn key, all you need to do is buy tires and sometimes rims to clear our spindles but that's usually common across the board if rims are needed too. I'm off till the 5th and off the top of my head don't remember if there is a rim clearence issue with the kit.

Also, off the top of my head the parts that are 100% for sure as of right now...

New front spindles with a special little surprise that I can't let out yet...
Front and rear crossmembers
Front Stainless steel braided brakelines
Sway bar drop
aftermarket stiffer sway bar
Bilstein 5100 for all for corners
steering extension

Rear... I don't remember. I'm sure there's a block involved and probably a AAL also.

Yes our kits are 100% turn key, all you need to do is buy tires and sometimes rims to clear our spindles but that's usually common across the board if rims are needed too. I'm off till the 5th and off the top of my head don't remember if there is a rim clearence issue with the kit.

Also, off the top of my head the parts that are 100% for sure as of right now...

New front spindles with a special little surprise that I can't let out yet...
Front and rear crossmembers
Front Stainless steel braided brakelines
Sway bar drop
aftermarket stiffer sway bar
Bilstein 5100 for all for corners
steering extension

Rear... I don't remember. I'm sure there's a block involved and probably a AAL also.

Is there to be any cutting or welding or anything other than bolting that will be involved to install this kit?

Yes, cutting will be involved but no welding...

cutting what?

Yes, cutting will be involved but no welding...

We talkin' sawsall, grinder/cutter or plasma?

I remember reading the install for the TuffCountry 4.5" lift and it showing that there were a couple places that you had to use a sawsall to cut some peices out. Probably pretty similar to this considering this is a drop bracket kit too.

Saw-z-all... Gotta cut out a section of the rear crossmember to allow the diff to sit in place.

What quesitons was I supposed to answer now that I'm back at work? :confused: :o

Saw-z-all... Gotta cut out a section of the rear crossmember to allow the diff to sit in place.


Sweet. Get it tested on a 4x4 so you can get em ready to sell.


You said there is supposed to be a suprise, what might that be?

Maybe upper control arms with uniballs?

LOL, keep dreaming on that one... Unfortunately me and the designer can't talk the owner into letting us do really cool stuff like that!!! There's a cool little EXPENSIVE piece on the spindles and I'm working on a "cool" company to build our sway bars but I'm having a hard time getting info outta them. They're slow to reply, lets put it that way!!!

LOL, keep dreaming on that one... Unfortunately me and the designer can't talk the owner into letting us do really cool stuff like that!!! There's a cool little EXPENSIVE piece on the spindles and I'm working on a "cool" company to build our sway bars but I'm having a hard time getting info outta them. They're slow to reply, lets put it that way!!!

Hhhhhhhgggmmm. Can we talk a little business about selling the spindles individually?

Please?

The spindles alone wont do anything for you... Unless of coarse you've designed and built your own drop crossmembers. The upper arm on the spindle is a lot longer to cover the added distance between the upper and lower control arms when we lower the lowers. The arm on our spindle are pretty beefy, I can't get over how small the stock arm sticking up on the spindle is...

Does anyone know if the RCD lift will allow you enough space to use 35" tires? Also, any current news on the lift, haven't heard anything about it since the October post. I am looking to get that lift when it comes out but want to make sure I can get big enough tires so that they stick out from the body of the truck about an inch or two. What tires would be recommeded for this. Also, how much of a lift would 35's give you on top of the 6" suspensio? Thanks in advance everyone.

Does anyone know if the RCD lift will allow you enough space to use 35" tires?

Yes, it was designed to.

Also, any current news on the lift, haven't heard anything about it since the October post?

check out the "r.c.d lift" thread in the aftermarket products forum.

I am looking to get that lift when it comes out but want to make sure I can get big enough tires so that they stick out from the body of the truck about an inch or two.

with a 35x12.50 inch tire it will stick out if you have wheels with 3 5/8 Back spacing(recommended)

What tires would be recommeded for this?

any good 315/75/16 tire

Also, how much of a lift would 35's give you on top of the 6" suspensio?

well, your looking at 6" of front lift plus 4" from the tires.

Thanks in advance everyone

your welcome.

with the 6 inch suspension lift from rcd and a 3 inch body lift how big a tire could a tundra fit? i dont mind trimming a little bit.
thanks

54" tires I think... :clown:

yer gonna be featured on the BDT website with that setup :devil:

yer gonna be featured on the BDT website with that setup :devil:

Lol! But, it could probably fit 37s.

isn't that what leathernuts runs? i think he stacked a drop bracket, body lift, and coilovers for about 9-10" of lift...

isn't that what leathernuts runs? i think he stacked a drop bracket, body lift, and coilovers for about 9-10" of lift...

Correct (I think)! That was I guessed 37. Anyone remember the details of his drop bracket though? Did he have a new spindle too?

it was the first drop bracket kit for the tundra, the 3" one i think, that advertised you could run 33s, but you could 35s with coilovers. it's the one with all the spindle spacer problems, cuz it didnt have new spindles like the rcd kit.

-s

Correct (I think)! That was I guessed 37. Anyone remember the details of his drop bracket though? Did he have a new spindle too?

He had the Tuff country lift with fabtech coilovers and a body lift. He was running 315/75's too. He had the stock spindles.

The spindles alone wont do anything for you... Unless of coarse you've designed and built your own drop crossmembers. The upper arm on the spindle is a lot longer to cover the added distance between the upper and lower control arms when we lower the lowers. The arm on our spindle are pretty beefy, I can't get over how small the stock arm sticking up on the spindle is...
were you at s.e.ma sirhk100

Not this year... I don't work the shows, they don't let me outta here often. :confused:

Does anyone know if the Tundra V8 would need regearing in order to run without possibly damaging the engine when lifted 6 inches with 35" tires? I'm curious to find out if the guys that have done a 3" body with a 2" suspension lift with 35's have had to regear. I am interested in getting the R.C.D when it is available with 35's but I definitely don't want to have to regear my Tundra. Also, taking into consideration all the parts that will come with the RCD kit, what else will be needed or recommended to make sure the Tundra runs without any chance of being majorly damaged? Thanks.

Just say no to flatbilling and disco trucks. :devil:


-tpgn00

Does anyone know if the Tundra V8 would need regearing in order to run without possibly damaging the engine when lifted 6 inches with 35" tires?no for a street queen. yes for a wheeler, but you wont be damaging the engine, youll be busting cv joints, halfshafts, and other small stuff before you hurt the engine.

-sean

Ditto to that. I haven't "really" wheeled since I put the 35's on with the stock gears, but a month or so from now that will be a different story. I'll be running 4.88s, a little bit of over kill w/ the auto tranny, but it will also leave me some wiggle room if I decide to go w/ 37's.

Regearing really isnt that bad, just gotta fork over the $$ to get it done

This post is the reason I haven't been on for a while...I decided to come back to see if the RCD was out and I am seriously amazed that it isn't...I remember back at the LA Auto Show I saw the white tundra with the 6inch lift and I talked to someone at RCD and they told me by 2004 it would be out... I am still waiting for this kit, since no other kit is available and since the ones that are in my opinion, are pitiful. I was almost even tempted to buy the Fabtech 2.5 inch, but too pricey for the lift, and just for me not worth it, not after seeing the RCD lift. So, here we are, almost on Feb of 2004 and I am losing patience, so I have decided that if by March the kit isnt out, I am going to kill all employees and family members related or even indirectly associated with RCD and it's affiliates. Thank you.

Abel

p.s. I am kidding, most likely, if the kit isn't out soon , I will kill myself. Any word on the price of the kit, and a realisitic date that I can purchase it ?
Thanks again. PLease make this kit we have been waiting long time!!!

<snip>I am going to kill all employees and family members related or even indirectly associated with RCD and it's affiliates. Thank you.

Abel

p.s. I am kidding, most likely, if the kit isn't out soon , I will kill myself. Any word on the price of the kit, and a realisitic date that I can purchase it ?
Thanks again. PLease make this kit we have been waiting long time!!!

NOT EVEN A BIT FUNNY!

Ditto to that. I haven't "really" wheeled since I put the 35's on with the stock gears, but a month or so from now that will be a different story. I'll be running 4.88s, a little bit of over kill w/ the auto tranny, but it will also leave me some wiggle room if I decide to go w/ 37's.

Regearing really isnt that bad, just gotta fork over the $$ to get it done

i dont know a whole lot about regearing and that. i know that it is good to go to lower gears for offroading and for over all power gains at slower speeds, but i guess my question is how much does it cost to get that done, what gears would you recommend going to, where can i get it done(any mechanic, a dealer, who whould be best) i also wanted to know about getting bigger brakes. with such a big tire (37's) bigger brakes is must right? and is it just bigger front rotors and calipers or front and back and can the rear remain drum or should the be converted to disc brakes and where would you go to get those. i know i asked a lot, but any info would help out this novice :ts: :confused:

Relax Glenn,

I did say I was just kidding, it's internet humor man, but I guess I was totally out of line ....ok sorry Glenn, and anyone else I offended.

Abel

p.s. In case I didnt make myself clear the first time, I was freaking kidding...I am just anxious to see the kit come out thats all. Geez.

Relax Glenn,

I did say I was just kidding, it's internet humor man, but I guess I was totally out of line ....ok sorry Glenn, and anyone else I offended.

Abel

p.s. In case I didnt make myself clear the first time, I was freaking kidding...I am just anxious to see the kit come out thats all. Geez.I bet you shout out "BOMB" at the airport as a joke too huh? ;)

Yeah... Internet humor isn't taken as lightly as something said in person with a grin on your face - no matter how many of these ;) :clown: :p :D you put with it!

LOL, and I thought the ranger people that we strung along forever were hardcore!!! Dude, it is reality, I FINALLY got a response back from the company that's building our sway bar and I'm hoping they are going to build a couple samples like this week and hopefully ship next week so that we can get the 4WD tested. I've been waiting on them since returning from the holiday break.

I'll say this early cause the Ranger guys drove me crazy with this... Price is COMPLETELY OUTTA MY CONTROL. I get quotes on outsourced parts and try to figure out how to build the kits as cost effective as possible but when it comes down to what the final cost to the end consumer will be. I usually find out after the people buying the kit do. In other words, I'm the VERY last person to know what the final MSRP/List price on the kit is once it's determined. One thing I can say on the price of this kit, it may be pricy because there is ONE part that we have not been able to outsource through anyone but toyota which REALLY surprised me.

Realistic date to be on the market... I get my ass chewed for this all the time but I 100% disagree with our marketing department. I swear they just throw out release dates off the top of their head to keep you guys happy without even talking to me. I'm the one that can give you the most to date if NOTHING goes wrong release date and they don't ask me for that info... with that said and I'm sure it'll come around to haunt me. Let's say I get the sway bars in end of next week (assuming my outsourced company is on the ball and gets their shiat taken care of). Fit test the following week or two depending on our designer's schedule. Assuming the fit test goes smooth, the truck then will go to Bilstein for shock valving developement. They usually have the truck for a week and trust me, you don't want this to be your truck, they beat the CRAP outta it developing the shocks, sounds like a fun job though!!! That sounds like say... 1.5 months to production starts assuming ALL goes smooth and there's no hang ups. Production, we usually call about 3 months from start to finish to flow through our facility, remeber... we've got like 8 bajillion other kits that we make so it get's tossed in the line up... So, figure out those numbers and that's probably realistic assuming our vendors deliver on time and our fit test goes smooth (which from the 2WD we did I'm expecting it to.)

SirHK100, Looks like were 5-6 months out then, unless my math is off. Hopefully my factory rubber lasts that long. I am counting on good timing here. I want to get one on my truck when my tires need replacing so I don't double-dip on the tires. Thanks for the update.

Just so ya'll know Leathernuts clears 35's without a body lift :D

Leathernuts Truck (http://www.tundrasolutions.com/photopost/data/500/729stonecrusher3-med.jpg)

Notice how the trailer hitch is still up close to the bumper not hanging down 3'' :cool:

HITUNDRA has 38's with a Tuff Country Lift with Fabtech coilovers + a body lift :tu:

HITUNDRA's Truck = :cool: x2
http://www.tundrasolutions.com/photopost/data/500/2438DSCN4345[1]-med.jpg

Just so ya'll know Leathernuts clears 35's without a body lift :D

Leathernuts Truck (http://www.tundrasolutions.com/photopost/data/500/729stonecrusher3-med.jpg)

Notice how the trailer hitch is still up close to the bumper not hanging down 3'' :cool:

HITUNDRA has 38's with a Tuff Country Lift with Fabtech coilovers + a body lift :tu:

HITUNDRA's Truck = :cool: x2
http://www.tundrasolutions.com/photopost/data/500/2438DSCN4345[1]-med.jpg

What kind of lift does leathernuts have?

What kind of lift does leathernuts have?

"I have the Tuff Country lift wiht Fabtech Coilovers in front and rear NWOR springs in rear. I have 8" in front and 6" in rear."

That's in the comments of one of his photos.

sirhk100,

If you guys are looking for a 2004 Tundra Double Cab to test this on... I have a brand new 2WD you can use - and I live in Chula Vista.

R/CVTundra


As said above, yes it will work on 2WD. You'll end up with a handfull of extra bolts to add to your bolt bucket in the garage.

Selling the spindles alone won't do anything for you. They are built to work with the new geometery the kit is giving the steering components and the distance between the upper and lower control arm. If you're thinking of doing some sort of custom thing, you'd have to call our marketing dept and talk to them. My guess is that they won't do it though.

What do you mean by a conversion kit for the rear 5100? The kit will come with a set of 5100 shocks for the rear valved specifically for our system. I'm confused as to what you want to know?

I can't 100% answer the aftermarket c/o question but I don't see why you couldn't. I'll try to go down and look at the kit on our truck to see if it looks like there's any reason you couldn't. You probably wouldn't want to use them to crank it up higher then what our kit does for you in the front if you're 4WD though cause the angles on the CV's may get extreme. That would be your own judgment though at that point. 2WD I don't see why you couldn't crank it up.

Ummm, custom uppers... Depends on what's different about them. If the pivot oints and upper B/J is in the same locations in reference to the stock I don't see any reason. I'll have to look at it and see what it would do if they aren't. Give me some info on what you're thinking. And I'll see what I can get back to you with.

Yeah, we know... That's why we bumped it up ahead of the Dodge guys. I guess it's their turn to sit and wait and hear the marketing 3 months out excuse... :clown:

Does anybody know any good info on the RCD 6" lift for the Tundra coming out soon?

I do know that it is suppose to be coming out in 60-90 days!

cruze over to the suspension board, theres a huge thread there

Well, the test sway bars will finally be being built tomorrow. Hopefully we'll see those in our hands next week and then we can get to fit testing the 4WD setup and get this thing into production. LOL, I swear this kit is destined to be delayed as much as possible!!! Our test fitter was SERIOUSLY injurred and right now is out for 2 weeks but could be as much as 6 months. :( Either way, we'll get this thing installed, might just mean I get to be the one doing the install!!! Oh boy, just what I signed up for!!! Not.... :cry:

:ts: :D We're working on it and will know a lot more in the next week or two.

Why doesn't RCD post any pictures of the progress on their web site..... it would probably be a good idea anyways. www.racecardynamics.com is the web site if anyone wants to visit it!!! Not that it is very useful for us TUNDRA owners :mad:

What Kind Of Tire And Wheels Do All Of You Guys Have In Mind That You're Going To Put On Your Trucks??? :D

I'm currently running Mickey Thompsons with 285/75 R16 BFG's on them. I think I'll stay with that setup as I'm not a fan of overly huge tires.

I really can't wait for the kit, I'm waiting with checkbook in hand :)

I'm currently running Mickey Thompsons with 285/75 R16 BFG's on them. I think I'll stay with that setup as I'm not a fan of overly huge tires.

I really can't wait for the kit, I'm waiting with checkbook in hand :)

with a 6" kit, your wheel and tire setup will look very small, a good size would be 315's.

Well, the test sway bars will finally be being built tomorrow. Hopefully we'll see those in our hands next week and then we can get to fit testing the 4WD setup and get this thing into production. LOL, I swear this kit is destined to be delayed as much as possible!!! Our test fitter was SERIOUSLY injurred and right now is out for 2 weeks but could be as much as 6 months. :( Either way, we'll get this thing installed, might just mean I get to be the one doing the install!!! Oh boy, just what I signed up for!!! Not.... :cry:

:ts: :D We're working on it and will know a lot more in the next week or two.
If only you were further North! I'd help with the test fit for free!!!

with a 6" kit, your wheel and tire setup will look very small, a good size would be 315's.

I'll disagree. I have 6" of lift on my truck and 33's are fine. It's all a matter of personal preference. If you're talking hard off road use the way I use mine more than half the year hunting, scouting, off-roading and the like, 35's are only going to cause things to break and fail sooner. Been there, done that with other trucks.

...lift & tire size is largely a personal decision for *most people* on the forums here. unless you're going krawling on a regular basis none of you will need to worry about your tire size, which is directly related to gear ratios and expected obstacle height, and changes torque loads in the drivetrain. it wont matter if you have 35s, unless youre frequently on the trail, and then you'll notice the increase in radius every time you climb an obstacle or try to compression brake.

besides, the ability to run a standard 35 means you can run a wide 33 if you want...or whatever you like, your sheetmetal is gonna be six inches further from the rocks regardless what you end up with :D.

I want to get American Eagle Alloys with 35" BFG's.....it will look clean..... what do all of you think about the billiet grilles on the tundras??? I am not shure if I like them yet. THINGS TO ADD TO MY TRUCK: RCD LIFT, tounea cover, exhaust, tint windows more, and remote start. I am also not shure if i like the roll pans, my friend told me to get one but I have never seen one on a Tundra.... it might look good once it is lifted?

What is all this talk about a 6" lift for a TUNDRA??? Is it true???

WHAT does R.C.D. stand for?? Does anyone know the web address??
Where to get a brochure? Who can i call to irritate?? I know I'm a little late, but i have not been able to log onto TS for a while. Sorry I'm so behind, any info would be MUCH appreciated!!

go look at the rcd thread :devil:.

What is all this talk about a 6" lift for a TUNDRA??? Is it true???

WHAT does R.C.D. stand for?? Does anyone know the web address??
Where to get a brochure? Who can i call to irritate?? I know I'm a little late, but i have not been able to log onto TS for a while. Sorry I'm so behind, any info would be MUCH appreciated!!

It is true but, don't know how production is going. It's been talked of for about 1.5 years. RCD stands for race car dynamics. Their website is www.racecardynamics.com

go look at the rcd thread :devil:.


I already looked at the thread, thanks.

I already looked at the thread, thanks.


Yeah yeah... I'm supposed to get the last remaining part to do the fit test on the 4WD this week. (heavy duty sway bar) Assuming our vendor comes through and is on time, we'll line up a vehicle to install on probably next week. Our Tundra is currently at Bilstein having the shock valving figured out so hopefully that won't cause any delays since we're getting that outta the way early on. I'll let you guys know when it is released for production and give you a guestimate of 1st shipping date based on that. Before the ? comes, price is outta my control and beyond my knowledge. Seems like the general public knows the cost of the kit before I do so don't waste your time asking me about that... :ts: I can say though, you guys have some HUGE ASS EXPENSIVE bolts in this kit!!!! When was the last time you guys priced

3/4"-10 x 5" Gr.8
3/4"-10 x 6" Gr.8
or
5/8"-11 x 8.5" Gr.8

Bolts? Ouch, there's some $$$$ :D

Here are 3/4 -10 grade 8's for $4.20 each for the 5" and $4.90 each for the 6".

http://www.spidertrax.com/hardware_hhb.htm

Here are 3/4 -10 grade 8's for $4.20 each for the 5" and $4.90 each for the 6".

http://www.spidertrax.com/hardware_hhb.htm

We get them for A LOT less then that (less then half) cause of the quantity we buy but compared to EVERY OTHER kit's hardware, those bolts are HUGE and EXPENSIVE...

I bet they are. I had to get 5000 screws one time just to make the mounting studs for guitar tremolos. I had to make them,(cut notches in them) but since it was an odd size, I had to get this huge box of them.

Those are some REALLY big bolts that you're using! I want to get your lift but I may have to get the Tuff Country one or make a drop bracket since my tires are gone. I want to put 315's on it and I have to do a better lift first. Right now, I keep frying ball joints. I would love it to be yours but I have to do something very soon. Thanks for all of your updates and info. I'm sure that everyone here really appreciates you taking the time to do that.

Right now, I keep frying ball joints. I would love it to be yours but I have to do something very soon.spend 600 bones on the uniball arms before buying too soon and settling for a lift with additional problems. i cant think of any reason why the new arms wont work with the rcd spindles, provided the rcd spindles use the stock upper ball joints.

-s

yeah, I talked with Nicole over at TC... I happen to go out to the desert and ride dirtbikes occasionally with the owners of TC. Anyways, between us neither of us thought there would be any problems using their upper along with our kit. Our spindles do use the stock upper so as long as all that is the same on the TC kit it should work... Although, of coarse neither RCD or TC is going to recomend you mix and match components... It's your choice to try it...

Still waiting, sirhk100! Any updates for us?

Some MAJOR lag time and issues with a vendor have been killing me not to mention causing the boss to ride my ass as to why this hasn't been fit tested yet. Anyways, no excuses right? I got the final parts in Monday for the fit test, painted them yesterday... I'm going to put together the fit test kit for the 4WD truck this afternoon or tomorrow. We'll be figuring out scheduling to fit test ASAP probably tomorrow or MOnday. We are absolutely SLAMMED with a project that has a deadline of April 1st cause the vehicle has to be driven to Moab. I'm going to see if we can slide it in next week but the main man may over ride that. If that happens I would expect it will be 100% priority when we return from Moab.

There's a "no BS" reply on what's going on with it...

Thanks for the update!!!!

Can I get in line now...I know I want it :)

I know someone asked b4, I'm an interested double cab owner. Hopefully this kit will fit the DC. Any plans on testing one on a DC? If you need a test vehicle, I'm here in Scripps Ranch. :tu:


btw...I think you said you drive an explorer? I use to b4 I bought my Tundra. I had a lifted white '95 explorer sport with an ORW sticker on the front windshield. I've seen a couple of Lifted explorers around the neighborhood and was wondering if that was you.

my biggest concern would be steering issues; R&P. Let us know of your solutions.

Actually I'm 99% sure that one of the two test vehicles we have lined up is a double cab so we'll know for sure. I'll get a photo of the truck finished so you guys can check it out...

Yep, I drive an Exploder but my daily driver is actually a Honda Accord...

Exploder 1 (http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/sirhk100/detail?.dir=/Explorer&.dnm=kris15.jpg)

Exploder 2 w/ honda rearend in shot... (http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/sirhk100/detail?.dir=/Explorer&.dnm=kris3.jpg)

Exploder 3 (http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/sirhk100/detail?.dir=/Explorer&.dnm=DSCF0449.jpg)

Front Suspension (http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/sirhk100/detail?.dir=/Explorer&.dnm=DRVR+1.jpg)

Wow, I haven't been in the Tundra forum in a while and I see that RCD is close to completion. Hmmm......maybe its time to start looking for a used Tundra or a modestly priced d-cab, I've been wanting this set up since the idea was introduced. :tu: 35 or 36" tires is all I'm wanting to have plus this lift and I'll be happy. :D

Btw, I'm not sure if this has been discussed in this thread and since I am not in the position to read all 236 posts, can this kit be removed and the oem suspension reinstalled? Just a question that Im sure our leasing members would be interested in getting an answer for.

I want one.......I want one.......I want one........


Just making it clear that I WANT ONE.

I just need soemplace to send my check :cool:

Okay, outta my hands decision but priority was placed on 3 other kits... (which has always been the story of it's life) As of right now, the good news is that we should FINALLY be test fitting our 4WD kit in the next week or two.

2WD can easily return to stock. 4WD, uhhhhh, if you've got a good welder you can hack it back together, I mean heck, they're not going to look under it right? :eek:

SirHK100,

Could you be a little more clear on what your last post meant? :confused: I understand the 4WD test fit part, :tu: but what does the reduced priority and the comment about the 2WD kit mean in terms of when our 4WD kit may hit the market? I appreciate the out-of-your hands stuff, but what is your best guess? Right now, I still have enough of my original tires to last me another 6-12 months. As long as your kit hits the market within that time frame, I will be a certain buyer.

Thanks for your indulgence,

RoundOut

On the other hand, if another reputable company markets a high lift (5-7") suspension kit before RCD's is available, my patience may expire. Who knows who that may be, though.

Trying to be patient,

Roundout

It looks like rancho and doestch systems are both coming out with 35" tire kits.

Well, some previous posts I had said that we were fit testing like 1.5 months ago... Well some hands from above pushed that back and we are just now getting to do it. So, once again, assuming all goes well with the fit testing (which btw is 99% for sure going on a '04 DC 4WD auto) we could see production ramp up on the kit in as little as 2-3 weeks. First time through normally takes about 3-4 months to bust out 250ish kits. I'll let you guys know the outcome of the fit test and when we start cutting parts.

Rancho and Doesch... Hope Rancho does a better job on the tundra geometery then they did on the '04 F150 and the new Dodge 4WD. And Doesch... Since when are they in the game?

I am just as anxious as anyone, but it just seems to me, and correct me if I am wrong, that the Tundra owner population is being almost completely ignored by all lift kit companies. Don't they understand there is a demand ? The Tundra has been selling strong for many years now, and knowing how people in so cal are about lifting trucks, it just seems like somebody has made a huge oversight by not making a kit already. There is a substantial amount of business up for grabs..what gives ?

That is why I kind of respect RCD for being ballsy enough for making the first Tundra kit, in my opinion, worth purchasing, and I am comparing it to 1K Fabtech lift I could easily recreate with the aid of floor jack. The only gripe I have is their dedication to the project, I am just frustrated, but I think most of us are. Anyway, to sum this up...Thanks for at least making the kit for our Tundras RCD, but freaking hurry that $hit up already!!!

Waiting....at stock height...Abel :ts: :devil:

p.s. Wouldn't it be great if Toyota was the first company to offer a Lift Option, that would be freaking sweet! I would pay 1,000 over an aftermarket lift for a Toyota 6inch lift with a warranty. But oh well, not my company.

is there any more info on how much it will cost, can we expect a to know the price anytime soon?
josh

Cost is 100% out of my control. Once the kit goes into production I hand off a finalized/complete bill of material with a set of drawings and they figure out the price from that. Usually the customers find out a price before I do and a lot of the time I see it posted online before I see something in print or hear something from my marketing guys.

The one draw back is that we are actually a very small company at RCD in the R&D and product developement area. The process of taking a kit from idea into production is handled by 2 people. 1 designer (the brains behind the idea and creator of the prototype kits) and me (engineer, drawings, create bill of materials, write install instructions, make sure everything is together along with overseeing a production floor). The two of us work on what marketing and the owner tell us to. Because it's just two of us doing it we can really only concentrate on one major system at a time. Basically all I can do is appologize for the wait... I have major issues and if I was the owner of the company or head of marketing this company would be doing things a lot different and building different kits but I'm not... I'm only the messanger that shouldn't even probably be writing this info... I'll let you know info as it's available to me or as the kit takes major leaps towards availability...

I am just as anxious as anyone, but it just seems to me, and correct me if I am wrong, that the Tundra owner population is being almost completely ignored by all lift kit companies. Don't they understand there is a demand ? The Tundra has been selling strong for many years now, and knowing how people in so cal are about lifting trucks, it just seems like somebody has made a huge oversight by not making a kit already. There is a substantial amount of business up for grabs..what gives ?
fyi, the "average" tundra owner is 44 years old, lives in suburbia, has a family, etc. etc. etc...whereas the "average" tacoma, ranger, gmc, chevy, ford 4x4 owners are younger and more likely to spend on a lift. there are a lotta tundras out there...how many different people have posted on this thread?

-s

fyi, the "average" tundra owner is 44 years old, lives in suburbia, has a family, etc. etc. etc...whereas the "average" tacoma, ranger, gmc, chevy, ford 4x4 owners are younger and more likely to spend on a lift. there are a lotta tundras out there...how many different people have posted on this thread?

-sYou're correct there in the averaging. But there are some of us 44 year olds who have kids and live in suburbia (against our will) and wanna play like the younger Taco owners too! :D

Jeff

SirHK100 wrote:

. . . Basically all I can do is appologize for the wait... I have major issues and if I was the owner of the company or head of marketing this company would be doing things a lot different and building different kits but I'm not... I'm only the messanger that shouldn't even probably be writing this info... I'll let you know info as it's available to me or as the kit takes major leaps towards availability...
I appreciate your forthcomingness, :ts: but would like to make sure the owner of the company finds no reason to excuse you, either. You don't have to tell us how you really feel if it means jeopardizing your employment. ;) LOL.

I am so eager to see what my truck looks like 8" (6" from the lift and 2" more from the tires) higher off the ground and with bigger tires/wheels. I look forward to getting it dirtier than ever afterward! :D

RoundOut

Wow! I still can't believe that this lift is not out yet. By the time this comes out, a new truck will come along that I want :cry:

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sorry..i totally didn't see this RCD thread here..i started a different one..if the moderator is reading this..just delete that other one please..they'll prob bust me for double posting..my bad..

BUSTED! lol...don't sweat it bro, it's taken care of.--sean

i emailed RCD the other day to find out when the new 6inch lift was coming out for the tundra..i had heard that it was suppost to be out in December..anyways...they said that they are still working on it and to expect it in 90 days..

also..fabtech had no plans whatsoever in making a lift bigger than their 2.5inch..but who cares about them..

Glad to see they finaly have a vague idea of when they might possibly be getting around to starting to maybe think about releasing this thing <SARCASM>. GEEZ :rolleyes:

Here's an email message I received from a RCD sales rep today.

Hello Sean:



The system is in production and should be available in 30 to 60 days.



We will email you a note when it is available.

Update...

Well more action on your kit is happening. We've currently got a '04 Dub/Cab 4WD w/ABS in the shop completely torn apart and the lift is on the shop truck en route to be installed in the shop today and tomorrow. If all goes well with this install we should be in production with this kit VERY soon. If all doesn't go well we'll make changes needed and get it into production still VERY soon. This is what I've been waiting on to get this kit rolling. I'll know MUCH more concrete info on this thing beginning of next week.

So I leave the country for 4 months, come back, and it's still 30 to 60 days!?! Whats up all, I just got back from studying abroad, it was awesome. Hope all of you are doing well. -A.J.

So I leave the country for 4 months, come back, and it's still 30 to 60 days!?! Whats up all, I just got back from studying abroad, it was awesome. Hope all of you are doing well. -A.J.I always loved studying a broad! :D So how was she? :devil:

Jeff

I always loved studying a broad! :D So how was she? :devil:

Jeff

Jeff -

I was on a ship for 4 months with 201 guys and 449 girls. 'She' had many names. ;)

-A.J.

That's it... I'm quitting RCD and going back to school!!! I miss college!!!

That's it... I'm quitting RCD and going back to school!!! I miss college!!!MMMMmmmm... "Miss College"! I think I dated her once! :D :devil:

(Sorry for hijacking this thread guys!)

Jeff

Miss College!!! :devil:


Okay, fit test = good and bad... Some history first... The kit was initially designed on our '01 Tundra. The fit test this weekend was on a '04 4WD Dub. Cab Auto... All manufactured parts are good to go and after talking with the main Hancho ASAP the kit should be put into production and start officially being made. I'll post when that REALLY happens. Usually on a 1st production run you're looking at 90-120 days from start to finish and selling. Okay, bad news... Remember what I typed right above this? Well, looks like spindles from '99-02 are the same and what we have cast and machined... Then in '02 sometime-'03 Yota bumped up the lower ball joint size enough to screw us pretty good. Our currently developed spindle will not work on those years. Also, Toyota has a p/n change on the spindle again in '03 so we've got to investigate that as well. We'll (RCD) will be looking into what it's going to take to get those '02-'03 trucks covered and hopefully whatever is needed for the '04 will be handled too. Either way production will start SOON and once I talk with the main man we'll figure out how to go about getting a new spindle out there for the newer trucks. That possibly could be available around the same time our production is finished depending how fast the spindle developement/casting/machining goes through... Soooo, there's an FYI post and I'll let you guys know when the kit is truely in production and being built for you '99-'02 owners and more info will be posted for your newer truck guys.

I know there's some serious Tundra gurus in the house here... Anyone know about a change of some sort to the spindles in '03? We're not sure what was done to them but we'll be researching it ourself but I've often found someone reading these forums knows the info as well!!!

In speaking with a service tech that owns a D-cab Tun and the fact that the S&S long tubes designed on an 00 would not fit on an 04.

I can't tell you what the differences are but I was told that there are a great many things different in the setups between the 99-02 and 02-03 and 04 and D/C models.

Even the access cab to single cab have some differences within the same year, other than just the bodies.

Okay, further work, research, and buying/returning parts is showing us that this kit is going to fit trucks manufactured from '99- 9/'03. We will be discussing what we're going to do about the newer ones... And, this kit should be officially in production with parts litterally being cut out tomorrow or Thursday at the absolute latest. Soooo, I guess I can finally maybe say, start saving the pennys. Pricing, like I said a while back. NO CLUE. I'm normally the very last to hear that!!!

Okay, further work, research, and buying/returning parts is showing us that this kit is going to fit trucks manufactured from '99- 9/'03. We will be discussing what we're going to do about the newer ones... And, this kit should be officially in production with parts litterally being cut out tomorrow or Thursday at the absolute latest. Soooo, I guess I can finally maybe say, start saving the pennys. Pricing, like I said a while back. NO CLUE. I'm normally the very last to hear that!!!
So, just to be absolutely clear, if I bought my truck in July 2003 (the dealer actually had it in June 2003), then I should be good to go on the kit currently in production? :tu:

Thanks for your indulgence. :ts:

RoundOut

Yes from the way it looks the spindle change that's screwing us according to Toyota took place in 9/03 so our kit should work with your truck. I'll post as things get clearer over the next day or two but from the way it's looking you'd be good to go since your truck was obviously built before then...

Sirhk100,

Question:

I have Total chaos upper a-arms and Donahoe coilovers on my 02 Tundra, would I be able to incorporate them into the lift?

Jacob

And, this kit should be officially in production with parts litterally being cut out tomorrow or Thursday at the absolute latest. Soooo, I guess I can finally maybe say, start saving the pennys.

Wow I can't beleive that this lift still isn't out. I remember back when I first joined this site before it crashed we were talkin about it coming out in a few months. At least this is perfectly timed w/ me getting a new (to me) tundra :cool: I would like to know if I could add spacers or if some stronger springs could be ordered to support the extra weight of an ARB bull bar + a winch?

Originally Posted by Westfield:

I would like to know if I could add spacers or if some stronger springs could be ordered to support the extra weight of an ARB bull bar + a winch?
Me, too! I have almost as much weight up front as an ARB. My Apache w/ eurobar, D-rings, fog tubes & receiver up front, weighs about 180 lbs, versus no more than 50 for stock. Does this kit re-use the factory springs or come with replacements?

Thanks in advance.

RoundOut

I can't truefully tell you if it'll work with the TC uppers and any of the bolt in c/o but... I'm friends with and ride dirtbikes with Nicole from TC and have talked with her about this. Both of us would lean to the side of saying yes they would work together. Our kit doesn't relocate the upper arm and the angle/geometery stays the same because of our longer spindle so I would think there should be no problem. I would think if you cranked up the c/o to gain some more height the same issues about how far to go without hurting the CVs are still true. Maybe you'd want to measure that angle before disassembly and reinstall and set the height back to that angle with the kit on. Only other thing would be the valving in the shocks... We supply shocks that bilstein builds specifically to be used with our kit and sway bar. The taller truck does do some funny things to handling and is controled by the shocks. I personally haven't ever rode in a Tundra with any of the c/o shocks but if they're anything like the ones out there for the Taco's that are more aggressively valved you're probably fine.

As for the weight... Yes our kit reuses the stock coil, we're just giving you a new shock. I would think that whatever method you're currently using to control the front end and level it out would be the same. Valving on the shocks again may be affected but if it was REALLY bad you could probably work with Bilstein to get a shock that's valved better for your exact setup...

Sirhk100,

In the photo of the pallet composing this kit, it appears there is a skid plate on top. Is that indeed a skid plate? If so, what will it cover?

Thanks in advance.

RoundOut

LOL, ahhh, the pallet photo!!! Yes it is a skid plate that will run between the front crossmember and the rear crossmember. If you're 4WD it'll protect the diff quite well. It actually serves two purposes though. On the 2wd there's obviously no diff... It also provides stability to the front and rear crossmembers. The crossmembers hanging off the frame have some pretty heavy leverage working on them front to back. That's why our rear crossmembers always have those Stainless Steel Compression Struts that usually bolt to a crossmember further back on the vehicle. The act as added support. The Tundra kit uses those and then the skidplate conects the front crossmember to the rear to kind of tie the entire system together. The skidplate has some bends in it to give it strength front to back.

BTW, in case you guys didn't know and if you didn't pick up on it above, this kit will fit both 2WD and 4WD trucks. Those of you with 2WD will litterally just end up with a pocket full of grade 8 hardware that's not used on your truck. (the diff mounting stuff)

Sirhk100, I'm sure you have seen quite a few different bits of suspension on lots of different vehciles. What is your take on the factory suspension on the Tundra? Is it as beefy as other trucks? Is it as well designed? How does it compare to past Toyota designs? Any other thoughts and comments on this would be interesting. Also, thanks for taking time to inform us and being part of the group!

Man, MXPX, haven't heard them in awhile... I put in a old burned various mix CD that I found in my room the other day and it had a Bryan Adams "Summer of '69" cover done by them (I think) and "punk rock show". I need to listen to them more... I've been all about Bad Religion (old stuff, '80-'85, Generator, suffer, etc...) Pennywise, Bouncing Souls, Guttermouth, Flogging Molly, Dropkick Murpheys...



My personal opinion is that the current setup on both the Tundra and Tacos is the best out there. All the new trucks are good and ride great. (although the Dodge's have a camber change as the suspension cycles that's almost as bad as the old ford i-beam setup!!!) What I like about the Toyota's and now it looks like the new F150, hmmmm who did they copy... is the suspension is so friendly and easy to upgrade. About the only thing that seems to be weak on the trucks for SERIOUS abuse is the upper shock mount/pocket. I've seen a handfull of those rip open but that's due to some BIG air under the tires. You can easily build the front ends to work and function beyond what the pocket can support stress wise. I think the setup is WAY better then any torsion bar setup that I've seen and better then the 2WD coil with a shock ran through the middle (2wd Chevy & Ford style) just for the fact that it's easy to work on and upgrade. Seriously, in my opinion about the only other common suspension design out there that's as easy and works as good is the old ford I-Beams (but the alignment goes crazy through the suspension cycle by nature of design) and the bullet proof simple straight axle front end. (jeep or Dodge 2500 and 1500 up till '03)

The Summer of 69 cover was by them. They have a few more covers on their "On the Cover" CD too. That is a solid grip of other bands you mentioned as well.

Its good to know that our stock suspension is so stout. I guess Toyota still has got it.

I got another question for you. Would a properly done long travel suspension system have a smaller camber change through its range of travel due to the extended length of the A-Arms, etc?

Not necessarily from the "extended" a-arms but more from the relation of the lenghts of the upper A-arms to the mounting points on the frame and the spindle. For instance, There's a particular kit that Fabtech makes that has a pretty gnarly camber change. We hired a guy that had the kit on his truck... We put it on the rack and measured it... By moving the lower a-arm pivot point up about an inch and out about an 3/4" if made it almost zero... That's working with stock upper and lowers. When building new custom everything you've got a TON of variables to play with...


Just for giggles, here's a photo of my friends truck... It's up there with the nicest Tacos I've seen so far. He ripped that upper shock pocket I was talking about at Glamis...

click here for sweet-arse photo (http://www.esbfabrications.com/DSC00143.JPG)(i changed to link 'cuz it's large)--D67

hey sirhk100, do you know if you will be offering a wheel, tires, and suspension package when the kit comes out by mid-summer. I went to the RCD website and saw you offer the X-PAK for kits for the top 3 automakers, which offer the full package. Just wanted to know, because it would be more conveniet (SP?) for some of us to have a package deal.

I'm 99% sure there will be a combo package deal put together for this kit too. I'll find out for sure though. That X-Pak deal we've got going is a steal if you price out all the same stuff seperate!!!

if there is an x-pak can you get one with a body lift? if not what brand would you recomend to go with your lift? and with the rcd lift a 3 inch body what is the biggest tire you can get with only minor triming?
josh

Ouch, that's a question I'm not sure I can answer right now. I guarantee we will not offer a package deal with a body lift though... As for brand, I have NO experience with any of them out there. YOu may just want to ask around as to who makes the best kit. I don't know what makes one better then another. I would guess you could get away with 37" tires but I'm not sure... I'll try to figure that out...

Yeah thats a good question, any of you with body lifts and 35's going to keep your body lift when you get the RCD or are ya gonna ditch it to reduce the center of gravity? I think I'm gonna do both, and jack it up high in the sky!

Yeah thats a good question, any of you with body lifts and 35's going to keep your body lift when you get the RCD or are ya gonna ditch it to reduce the center of gravity? I think I'm gonna do both, and jack it up high in the sky!
hell whenever that lift comes out im putting a body lift and the rcd lift on as well. i want some 38s under my truck.

NOTE
i have moved this thread to the open forum so everyone can benefit from sirkh's information regarding availability of the kit.

please stay on-topic, and keep tech discussions regarding installation notes etc. in the garage discussion forums, or i'm certain this thread will return to the hs&b discussions forum.

-sean

LOL, now that I can view the thread again... All is full steam ahead on production. Looking out the window they're punching and forming parts as I type. Judging by the progress reports I get from the Plasma guys a majority of the parts for the first run of kits is done. Everything is on schedual and as of now nothing has come up to bite us in the ass and knock back the release date. I'd guess we're within 90 days of boxing this stuff up!!!

How can we get on the list to be the first ones to buy the first production kits? Or where can we get it?

With previous kits people were just going to their local shop that sells our product line and putting down a deposit. Then the shops would place a pre-release order for the kit. I think we only do this once pricing is figured out... Ohhh, which reminds me, I've gotta hand over all that info today so they can start figuring that out... Duh...

So any new news????

Price, status, available????

Manufacturing is raging on it. All parts have been cut. Most have been punched, formed and are ready for welding. Those that haven't been are in the proecess of punching and forming. Once through that they go to welding where they will sit for a little while. I think we currently have 6 welders doing 10 hour days. Everything is still looking on schedual for shipping to begin in 60-90 days. Purchased parts are all on order and I'd guess we should actually start seeing some of that stuff coming in. Last I'd heard or knew nothing wierd had popped up to delay this stuff. Pricing is usually available about 20-30 days before product release so it's still up in the air but that's outta my hands.

Manufacturing is raging on it. All parts have been cut. Most have been punched, formed and are ready for welding. Those that haven't been are in the proecess of punching and forming. Once through that they go to welding where they will sit for a little while. I think we currently have 6 welders doing 10 hour days. Everything is still looking on schedual for shipping to begin in 60-90 days. Purchased parts are all on order and I'd guess we should actually start seeing some of that stuff coming in. Last I'd heard or knew nothing wierd had popped up to delay this stuff. Pricing is usually available about 20-30 days before product release so it's still up in the air but that's outta my hands.

Been watching this thread--silently and covertly. Hopefully I don't get sticker shock when I hear the digits...

LOL, if you have compared our kits to the rest of the industries then you probably will... Then again if you talk to anyone that has compared the performance of our kit to the other comparable ones on the market the price will go along with that opinion as well... Sometimes you get what you pay for. Cry once, be happy for a long time???

Cry once, be happy for a long time???

The kit could be on the high side and people would still buy it. Maybe theyre will be a deal sweetner via member's group buy and marketing pics :cool: :tu:

So sirk, did ya ever snap any pics of the lifted double cab? eh? I bet it looks sweet.

We never got it completely installed... That's when we found out that Toyota made a change to the lower ball joint. They went big... So big that we're going to have to build a new spindle for the '03 and '04 models. We're on that though... It'll probably be a little later then the initial release though.

LOL, if you have compared our kits to the rest of the industries then you probably will... Then again if you talk to anyone that has compared the performance of our kit to the other comparable ones on the market the price will go along with that opinion as well... Sometimes you get what you pay for. Cry once, be happy for a long time???


Understood completely...

My buddy proudly displayed his lifted F-150 to me recently and I have to say that design he went with is replete with spacers, collars, and extenders. I am glad to see that you guys are going with new parts on this one. And did you say that guys are doing all new drop spindles?

Okay, it's close enough to be released and is finalized, nothings going to change so here it is...

The kit will include...

-Front crossmember
-Rear crossmember
-Sway Bar drop brackets
-New Sway bar built by Sway-A-Way
-Bilstein shocks on all 4 corners... You'll reuse your stock front coils
-Stainless Steel Tig welded compression Struts
-New Cast steel spindles with new Toyota factory bearings pressed in. So don't replace you worn bearings if you're thinking about this kit!!!
(as of right now we're planning on pressing them in for you guys... If you've ever tried removing the wheel bearings from the factory spindle they explode, scratch, and generally destroy themselves 99 out of 100 trys it seems. To save the headache and surprise extra cost we're just doing it for you...)
- .188 thick steel skidplate between the front and rear crossmembers to give them support by tieing them in together while also protecting your differential for you 4WD guys.
- DOT approved Stainless Steel braided brakelines with a clear plastic protective coating.
-Steering rod extension
-Rear brake line relocating bracket, rear brake proportioning valve extension, rear lift block w/U-Bolts, etc...


Those of you that want have the 2WD trucks... This kit will fit your truck also. You'll be left with a hand full of left over bolts that are used to secure the differential into the crossmembers. Everything else is the same. We've got some research still going to nail down exactly what build dates this current kit is going to fit with the initial spindles. Sometime in '03 they changed the lower ball joint size. We've got the ball joints on order and will be building a spindle to fit the newer trucks also... This is a VERY nice high quality kit and has progressed well beyond what was on that white Tundra that we showed years ago before I even worked here!!!

-New Cast steel spindles with new Toyota factory bearings pressed in. So don't replace you worn bearings if you're thinking about this kit!!!now THAT is a good deal. frankly, youre lucky if you can get the inner bearing race off the oem hub without damaging the hub. huge pita. my old hubs are still sitting in the garage.

btw...if anyone considering this kit with a 4WD is also considering manual hubs, this is the best time to do the swap.

-sean

Yeah by us doing this part really anyone that can twist a wrench should be able to install this kit. I've done it once and it seriously is the easiest kit I've done, ESPECIALLY ON THE 2WD!!! The 4WD requires some agressive cutting but nothing a saw-z-all with a large blade can't handle!!! LOL, this is all assuming my instructions make sense once I get them finished!!!

We at first were considering throwing in the seals for the hubs too but figure it's not needed. We've been able to carefully get the old ones out and install them in the new spindles without harming them so why add the cost...

LOL, anyone remember MMMM, MMMMM, MMMM by the crash test dummys? They're playing that stupid song as I type on 91X. (local San Diego alternative rock station) What a joke!!!!

hey..i emailed rancho awhile back just out of curiousity if they were in the works for a lift for the tundra. i actually emailed alot of manufacturers and they said no. whiplash told me a long time ago that they were making a 10 inch kit..but i think they quit on that job..haven't heard nething new..anyways..i figured i'd post because i know there are alot of guys who want a lift in this thread..anyways..the word on rancho:

"Thank you for your interest in Rancho products. Rancho does have a four
inch lift scheduled to come out some time this year. That is going to be
the biggest lift we offer since Rancho does not go over four inches."

i know this is going to be in no way as nice as the RCD..but just FYI. nothing else.

hey..i emailed rancho awhile back just out of curiousity if they were in the works for a lift for the tundra. i actually emailed alot of manufacturers and they said no. whiplash told me a long time ago that they were making a 10 inch kit..but i think they quit on that job..haven't heard nething new..anyways..i figured i'd post because i know there are alot of guys who want a lift in this thread..anyways..the word on rancho:

"Thank you for your interest in Rancho products. Rancho does have a four
inch lift scheduled to come out some time this year. That is going to be
the biggest lift we offer since Rancho does not go over four inches."

i know this is going to be in no way as nice as the RCD..but just FYI. nothing else.
That's interesting. I wonder exactly what kind of lift Rancho will be offering, if they do.

Okay, it's close enough to be released and is finalized, nothings going to change so here it is...
This is a VERY nice high quality kit and has progressed well beyond what was on that white Tundra that we showed years ago before I even worked here!!!Wow - that sounds like we'll be getting our money's worth for sure, based on the quality and service you're talking about here!

Can't wait to see the final price tag! ;)

Jeff

Can't wait for the kit.....my truck needs it badly :)

Good to see this finally coming thru!! A bit late for me, but cool nonetheless

Yep, it's rolling along. Only one purchased part left to order and that hopefully should be taken care of today. I'll try and get an update on the two things that "could" hold up the release date to make sure they're on schedual still... Machining of spindles and Bilstein building the shocks... In house here we're full steam ahead!!!

Also, today I'll be working on getting the parts needed to build a spindle to fit the newer trucks with the larger lower ball joint so hopefully that won't be too far behind the initial release.

Wow, the guys are haulin ass with this kit... LOL, I can say that now!!! LOL... I just went to check and see what the welders were working on cause I'd heard rumors and yep, there's a pallet of both front and rear crossmembers all welded up and ready for prep and paint. Crap, this means I've gotta get going on the install instructions so I'm not holding up the show!!! :cry: :devil: :ts: :tu:

Wow, the guys are haulin ass with this kit... LOL, I can say that now!!! LOL... I just went to check and see what the welders were working on cause I'd heard rumors and yep, there's a pallet of both front and rear crossmembers all welded up and ready for prep and paint. Crap, this means I've gotta get going on the install instructions so I'm not holding up the show!!! :cry: :devil: :ts: :tu:

Anymore news? Everything coming along smoothly still? I'm still drooling....

SirHK100,

A guy at the local shop that uses RCD products for the big 3 said that with your kit, the front tires will probably be slightly farther out than the rear tires, prerunner style. I don't see this as a big problem, except if the alignment guys are not able to do their job with uneven wheel alignment front to back.

First of all, is this true, and if so, are the alignment machines most typically found at the NTBs of the world, etc., capable of handling front tire placement wider than the rear?

Thanks in advance for the answer.

RoundOut

First of all, is this true, and if so, are the alignment machines most typically found at the NTBs of the world, etc., capable of handling front tire placement wider than the rear?

RoundOut
My guess is that they can handle this. Many cars have a front track that is wider than the rear track. The 1992-1999 chevy/gmc 2500 suburban (possibly the 1500 too) has a front track that is noticeably wider than the rear track. I'm assuming that if that vehicle came front the factory that way then shops can handle that sort of thing.

Ummm, not sure, I'll run downstairs and see if our tundra is here and if it is I'll measure the front and rear width.

I do know a lot of our kits widen the front end a little bit and some of the trucks do end up with a different track width front to rear. I've never heard of people having issues with alignment shops not being able to do their truck... I'll check into it though. I know on my personal vehicle my front end is 3" wider then stock and I've never had an issue with it!!!

Isn't the Camburg set-up at least 4" wider than stock? Haven't heard any complaints or problems with their yet! ;)

Jeff

Any word on price yet? Still on schedule for release?

Price, not sure... It's kinda outta my area. I'm kinda worried it's going to be $$$ though cause there's a lot to this kit!!!!

It's definately on schedual.... THere's parts everywhere and everything that's been purchased/ordered is on it's way last I heard. I'm starting the installl instructions this morning so that I won't be the one that's holding it up!!!!

Just got back from the Machine shop... We'll have test fit spindles mid next week. Through those on our truck, sign off on them, and they'll be in production so we'll start seeing those quick. Everything is on and looking good. One issue we're going to hit hard and address in the next week or so is another spindle for newer trucks. Best of my research shows that trucks manufactured 9/03 and newer have the new HUGE AZZ lower ball joint that WON'T work with our current spindle. We're going to have to have another spindle cast for that bad boy. This will be in development probably within a week or two so that shouldn't be too far out either. Turn around on that stuff is relatively quick... Especially since most the spindle is already done.

I cant believe the notorious RCD kit is almost here....I had a question for you..if you had to make a guess how much do you think its going to cost to have it installed and purchased?..also when would you expect the general public will be able to get their hands on one of these kits? thanks for all the updates

To be honest with you I'm so far out of the loop on pricing, I couldn't even guess. 8 bajillion $$$ is that good??? LOL... As far when it'll be ready?? I'd guess we're probably 30ish days out from first shipment.

thanks for the update on the kit. i am very anxious. Is there a waitlist or something for the kit? Is it first come first serve or what? I just wanna be sure I get one of the kits out of the first production run. Also...will the people with '03 and '04s have to wait longer or are you guys gonna release the kits for the earlier and later models together?

No, we'll be releasing the kits for the ealier models as soon as their ready. As soon as the spindles for the newer trucks are ready those will come out. I'm hoping to get together with the owner and address the issues of that spindle this week and get our designers on it next week if all goes right!!!

Any update on the new spindles? Have they been designed, prototyped, in production? Just getting very anxious. I was wondering, with this 6" kit...will it level the front or will the front be raked or prerunner style?

It should be level... Ours is sitting level so most should be. Sometimes though depending on your specific truck it may not have the perfect stance but usually things can be "tweaked" to get them to sit nice.

Spindles are in the works and coming along. They will be a little behind the main release but hopefully not to far. We're getting together with the designer tomorrow or Wed. to get him on the ball and going on it!!!

any idea yet on price or when it will be available?

I think pricing will be available REALLY soon. I gave them all my info they need to figure out the pricing. I'm worried it's going to be an expensive kit for a number of reasons...

HUGE HARDWARE
Aftermarket SwayBar
New Front wheel bearings
Cost of steel sky rocketed recently and I think it's going to reflect in this kit
Manufacturing time on this one is noticably longer then other kits (lots of welding!!!)

Anyways, a price should be available soon, I'd guess within a week or two.

Availability... I'd say within 30 days. We're litterally just waiting on the spindles for the 8/'03 and older manufactured truck to finish being machined. Once we get those we'll press in the bearings and it should be ready to package up...

Hey Sirhk100,

I live in the Rancho Bernardo area, any possibility I could stop by the shop and see the truck with the kit installed on it? I want to check it out before I buy.

Yeah possibly, it's being painted right now so it's not really accessable though...

I read through the whole post and didn't notice if the RCD kit allows for any added travel. Will the wheel travel be similar to stock or is there extra travel?


- Matt

I believe this is just a front suspension lift. Travel should be similar to stock, but by no means comparable to LONG TRAVEL. But i could be wrong.

I believe this is just a front suspension lift. Travel should be similar to stock, but by no means comparable to LONG TRAVEL. But i could be wrong.
Ummm... yeah. LT is like 2x stock. I don't expect ANYTHING near that. But an inch or two gain is 1-2" more than before. :)

I honestly don't know if it's gaining travel. It should be relatively close to stock. It's basically just a lift kit with shocks that are valved properly in our opinion. Definately not a LT kit!!! Talk to Total Chaos if that's what you're looking for, they make some cool stuff!!!

Sorry guys, but I have to ask since I'm new to lifting terminology. What exactly is long travel? What are the benefits/uses of it? Would it benefit me if I'm just doing it for looks/street use? And is the R.C.D lift going to only lift the front or the back too so they are level. I don't like the pre-runner look. I like the look of the 6" lift that is available for the F-150's, will this rcd be similar to those? Thanks.

Long travel doesn't really have a "true definition" as far as I know. I mean if someone made a 10" travel kit for a HOnda Accord it would be Long travel. Long Travel is basically a kit that drastically increases the amount of suspension wheel travel your truck has. If you're only going to see dirt occasionally or run graded roads investing in LT would be a waste. It's not cheap!!!! The RCD kit is a lift kit. It's lifting both the front and the rear and "should" end up level. I say "should" cause all trucks are different and you "may" end up with one that sits not level but you can usually tweak it a little to get it sitting right... This kit will be similar in style to the F150 kit you liked the looks of...

btw this is not a suspension lift. this is known by a couple names:

"drop bracket"--a bracket that moves the mounting position of the lower control arms away from the body and frame of the truck, in this case 6".

"cradle lift"--on 4wd, refers to the cradle carrying the front differential; instead of moving the body, frame, and front differential upward and thereby increasing the cv joint angle, the body and frame of the truck are moved upward and the front differential is cradled by the new hardware, allowing a stock cv joint angle. doesnt mean anything on 2wd, which is why theyre usually just known by the term "drop bracket".

there are probably other terms but not otoh. it's the ifs version of blocks for the front axle, but because it's ifs there are a few more necessary parts than lifting an sfa truck via blocks. it will not necessarily increase your suspension travel (tho i bet there are a few ways to sneak a bit here and there), unless you couple the kit with the uniball upper control arm as discussed further back in this thread...in that case, you could use the full upward and downward range of the uniball, ie increase your wheel travel.

what this kit does: take a look at your truck's front tire in relation to the wheel well. this kit moves the rear edge of the front fender 6" up from where it is now, in relation to the tire. youll be able to fit a larger tire (my guess is 35x12.5, maybe larger if you mess around with stuff).

what this kit does not necessarily do: increase wheel travel.

why this kit: it includes a new spindle! i could get 6" if i stacked a bunch of lifts, but that's sketchy and ill conceived. this way you get 6" of sturdy lift, ready to go pound around offroad with a new spindle that's intended to take the abuse.

-sean

Yeah, that upper neck on the stock spindle doesn't look very abuser friendly!!! Ours is definately A LOT thicker up there in the thin area. All the above is true...

Side affects of this kit will be improved on road cornering and response.
Better off road ride due to shock valving
Clearance for larger tires

Also like mentioned above. Neither I nor Total Chaos can think of why you couldn't couple this kit with their upper arm to get the extra travel. Some people asked if you could use a bolt in coil over... I've thought about that and am not sure it'll work. You'd have to get me the extended length of one and I'll measure our shocks to see how it would sit in there. I have seen some billet adaptors that make the upper mount acceptable for a generic coil over shock. This may be an option... You could do the reasearch to find the brand shock with the correct needed dimensions. My only concern is most coil over shocks have reservoirs and the hose fitting may interfere with the upper control arm... this route would take some research but is probably doable.

OF COARSE RCD DOSN'T RECOMEND ANY OF THIS!!!! ;)


This is just ideas out of my head...

If you want to drop lots of cash, you could always upgrade to one of Bill's TW SAW external reservoir coilovers. That strut coupled with one of his longer top plates would be long enough to fit with this lift. Mine are 25" long. I have a set of those coilovers so I don't have to use the 4" spindle spacer from Tuff Country. There is plenty of room to crank them up further and you could also get a taller top plate if need be. You should be able to crank it up with the RCD lift to get 7" - 7.5" if I were to guess.

Sirhk100,
is this a photo of the 6" kit w/new spindles or is this just a photo of some other kit?

Look at the photo on the page (http://superdutyheadquarters.com/rcdtndra.htm)

i know that pic is on RCDs brochure for the 6" tundra kit...but the brochure is really old. i think that pic is from the first developed kits with the old spindles

Yeah, that's the kit. Looks like the photo is straight off the brochure like said above. The kit really hasn't changed too much as far as common eye would notice. Those are the spindles to fit the '03 and older trucks... The '03 and newer trucks will have a little bit different lower ball joint mounting area.

sirhk, do you know if this kit will be compatible with my TC diff spacers, or are they gonna hafta go?

Hmmm, haven't checked into that. Where exactly do the diff spacers bolt? Can you kinda describe them... I'm kinda thinking they'll still work in conjunction with it.

Check out this picture, they go right inline with the 2 bolts which mount the front diff to the frame.
http://www.tundrasolutions.com/photopost/data/500/8858untitled-med.JPG

...I have edited this post in order to clear a misunderstanding as to the intent and tone of my original post, which came across in a completely inappropriate manner tho it was not my intent to be anything other than casual and humorous.

my question: this kit provides a degree of lift we have been seeking for quite some time, over the years applying many "band-aid" modifications to achieve higher lifts. some of these modifications are "support" modifications, with one modification becoming a necessity in order to decrease the wear & tear caused by a previous modification. for that reason, i am curious why, if you will be running this kit, you intend to transfer a "support" modification and i assume its cause (a 2"+ coilover lift) to a kit designed to remove the need for such "support" modifications or coilover lifts, as the differential drop spacer is applied to reduce the nominal angle through the cv joints (bringing it back toward stock), and the RCD kit is designed specifically to provide lift while holding the cv joints at stock angles.

sorry for the misunderstanding, i should have read over my previous entry...anyone remember the old "far side" cartoon that showed a dog dreaming it had actually "caught" a car, and in the dream was howling (lips in an "O" shape) while standing proudly on top of the overturned car? :p the public reaction took gary larson completely by surprise, as it didn't cross his mind that the position of the dog and the car's differential were anything other than innocent...

anyway, again, my bad, i apologize for the misunderstanding.

-sean

didn't mean it that way, what I was asking was basically if I'm gonna have to take these things back off or if they could stay. Not looking for more lift, 6" would be perfect (depending on howmuch this costs).
...slight miusunderstanding :) Its all good!

Well to install this lift I guarentee those bolts are coming off cause your entire diff is dropping down. If you did still want those in there for whatever reason the ONLY reason I could forsee them not working is the skidplate that's connecting the entire front crossmember to the rear and going all the way across. The diff "may" interfere with that lowered. I honestly can't answer that... It's something you'll have to ask someone that's done the install on both our kit and the TC spacers and see if it worked.

BTW, I'm scheduled to test fit our final samples for the older spindles on Tuesday morning along with the new brakelines that we have been fighting with. This should be the absolute final test fit for the 8/'03 manufactured trucks and older. Spindles will be a fast turn around along with the brake lines. I know I said a month like 2 weeks ago but I'm going to have to say we're probably still 3 weeks or so out from boxing up a first load of kits.

Has anyone tried calling for a price recently??? Just curious... My marketing department "may" have it. YOU DIDN'T HEAR THAT FROM ME THOUGH!!!! I just know I gave them the info they needed to price the kits like a week ago, not sure if they've done it yet. Like I said many times, I'm always the VERY last to find out the prices on our stuff!!! I usually see it online before I hear about it here...

No price yet.

LOL, well shoot, it's gotta be coming soon!!! BTW, when they do get a price expect the price they give you to be REALLY high!!! You can ALWAYS find the kit for WAY cheaper in the stores once it comes out. We put the MSRP and List price pretty high... They're always much cheaper when it hits the shelf...

Any hints on where the best price may live???


I don't know who I talked to, but I told him if the price wasn't rediculous it should be a sweet seller. He said he was as excited as I am (I doubt that...) and said that the only other kit out isn't safe at all and that whoever puts it on their truck needs to have their head checked. :D HAHA!

He said not to be shy and to call every day if I wanted, he said that they should have the kit like any day now.

didn't mean it that way, what I was asking was basically if I'm gonna have to take these things back off or if they could stay. Not looking for more lift, 6" would be perfect (depending on howmuch this costs).gotcha, i misunderstood your question...i agree, 6" of lift is exactly what many people on the forums here have been waiting for, that's why so many have been stacking body lifts on top of drop brackets and coilover lifts for so long.

-sean

LOL, well shoot, it's gotta be coming soon!!! BTW, when they do get a price expect the price they give you to be REALLY high!!! You can ALWAYS find the kit for WAY cheaper in the stores once it comes out. We put the MSRP and List price pretty high... They're always much cheaper when it hits the shelf...
Any chance you can talk to the sales guys about a TS or group buy discount? They can just look at the thread to see all the people that have been drooling over the kit! Inlcuding myself!

I've talked to them about that kind of stuff for previous lifts and they've never gone for it. We don't sell customer direct. Your best chance would be to find a shop that deals high volume and see what kind of price break they can do. If they purchase a large number of kits they'll get a price break and hopefully pass it on to you guys...

I don't know if these are already posted in this thread, but RCD just sent me these pics today.

Nce pics, can't wait for the kit. Does RCD have a release date?

Anyone wanna play price is right and see who comes the closest? Perhps the person with the closest price without going over gets a free lift kit (kidding)


My guess is $2700...

$22,374 :clown:

Release date... Ummm soon... It's outta my hands now, all production parts are built and painted, instructions only have about 15 minutes of work that I'm waiting on info to finish, I think we're just waiting to get spindles from the machine shop and then press bearings in and we'll be boxing them.



God, that white truck is ugly, you should see it now!!! I drove it to lunch yesterday. We painted it up with some stripes and it's amazing what such a simple paint scheme does for a plain looking truck.

One dollar BOB!

$2,374.99 :D

$2,374.99 :D

Haha that looks familiar.

How about... $2,373.99 :D.

Exactly $228.95. plus shipping on a set of these (http://www.mytoolstore.com/klein/63536.html) :clown:


-EA

Haha that looks familiar.

How about... $2,373.99 :D.


You picked up on that ehh!? :D

:cry: I got this from RCD this morning. . .
We are currently working on pricing for the Tundra suspension system, which is a very good sign that this will be released soon. I would guess in 60 days or so. I already have you on the Tundra mailing list and will e-mail you when it becomes available. I have also attached some pictures.


Hang in there.

Thanks.

I am bummed, as it looked from SirHK100 that we were only a few days away. I guess this is a classic case of manufacturing and marketing disconnect. I sure hope that SirHK100 is right, not the marketing guy that responded to my email.

I have seen two of the three pics before, but the photo of the kit layed out on the floor, I was not sure yet, so I uploaded it to my photos.:cool:

My tires need replacing soon, so I don't know if I will be able to wait for this kit. I won't be buying tires twice, that is, until the next set wears out.

We are litterally just waiting on Spindles from the machine shop. The day those come in we'll press bearings in and it'll be boxed and out the door. Let's put it this way, it's so close that most of the boxes are already packaged and sitting in inventory. I think the only boxes that aren't already packaged is the spindle box and the crossmember box because I still have to make changes to the BOM on the installation instructions that go in that box.

you guys should've put your press photos for this kit on an access cab tundra..which is what most of us tundra owners drive..

LOL, well Toyota didn't "give" us an access cab or we woulda!!!

LOL, well Toyota didn't "give" us an access cab or we woulda!!!

I woulda let you use mine. ;)

Yeah really - me too! :D

(You still can if you want to!) :tu:

Jeff

well..there ya go..next time..just put the lift on someone elses truck if they agree..hehe..

what size tire could you fit with the RCD lift when it does eventually come out? what about the RCD lift and a 3" body lift? i know that 35"s will fit i was just wondering if something bigger would fit with a little trimming. i cant wait for it to come out. any idea on cost yet?
josh :ts:

what size tire could you fit with the RCD lift when it does eventually come out? what about the RCD lift and a 3" body lift? i know that 35"s will fit i was just wondering if something bigger would fit with a little trimming. i cant wait for it to come out. any idea on cost yet?
josh :ts:

As you said, this will fit 35's. Bigger tires will always fit with a body lift or trimming, but that doesn't always mean it's a great idea.

When will it come out? That's the infamous question that has been asked for about 2 years now, with the same answer, about 60 days. This time it actually looks to be about 60 days, however.

No clues on cost, maybe that info will be out soon. Trust me, this site will rage when the cost is announced.

How much rubbing, if any, will occur with 35's and the RCD with 10" wheels? Anybody know.

Well guys, Tomorrow is my last day with RCD... I'll try to throw out some photos for you guys of a truck that I have been working on and hoping to finish today. It's an extended cab 4WD. The lift is going on pretty damn smooth!!! Spindles are definately the most difficult part of the install. If you guys are doing this at home you'll need a press or go to a shop that has a clue how to use a press cause it's impossible without one. Also, if you're installing this kit on the floor with jack stands, there's some cutting involved that could potentially cause a few cuss words!!! I'll try to get the new guy that's replacing me to log on here and keep you updated. Issues with Spindles have popped up which is why we're doing this final fit test to make sure it aligns correctly. I sincerely appologize about this delay. I swear a month ago I thought we were SUPER close to release and as long as this truck aligns we should be damn close cause the final machine work can be finished...

Well guys, Tomorrow is my last day with RCD... I'll try to throw out some photos for you guys of a truck that I have been working on and hoping to finish today. It's an extended cab 4WD. The lift is going on pretty damn smooth!!! Spindles are definately the most difficult part of the install. If you guys are doing this at home you'll need a press or go to a shop that has a clue how to use a press cause it's impossible without one. Also, if you're installing this kit on the floor with jack stands, there's some cutting involved that could potentially cause a few cuss words!!! I'll try to get the new guy that's replacing me to log on here and keep you updated. Issues with Spindles have popped up which is why we're doing this final fit test to make sure it aligns correctly. I sincerely appologize about this delay. I swear a month ago I thought we were SUPER close to release and as long as this truck aligns we should be damn close cause the final machine work can be finished...Wow! Sorry to see you go man! :( Thanks so much for keeping us informed as we "patiently" wait for the release of this kit! Your updates have kept everybody drooling for sure... and we really appreciate all the effort you've put into this project. :tu:

Good luck in whatever you do - and by all means... BUY A TUNDRA AND COME BACK TO VIST!! :D

Jeff

Well guys, Tomorrow is my last day with RCD... ...
Sure hope you are leaving because you want to. Good luck in the future.

Well guys, Tomorrow is my last day with RCD... I'll try to throw out some photos for you guys of a truck that I have been working on and hoping to finish today. It's an extended cab 4WD. The lift is going on pretty damn smooth!!! Spindles are definately the most difficult part of the install. If you guys are doing this at home you'll need a press or go to a shop that has a clue how to use a press cause it's impossible without one. Also, if you're installing this kit on the floor with jack stands, there's some cutting involved that could potentially cause a few cuss words!!! I'll try to get the new guy that's replacing me to log on here and keep you updated. Issues with Spindles have popped up which is why we're doing this final fit test to make sure it aligns correctly. I sincerely appologize about this delay. I swear a month ago I thought we were SUPER close to release and as long as this truck aligns we should be damn close cause the final machine work can be finished...
Since you are leaving and you no longer fear firing if you divulge too much info...Wanna take a swipe at the price for us? A broad range will do and might just keep me interested.

Where are you going TO?

A Press??? Does this mean we will need to press in the bearings to the spindles? Or, are you refering to other press work?

What type of cutting will cause the cuss words to come into play? Is this the cuts for the cross member to fit the new kit? Is this cussing because of sparks or just hard to get to?

Thanks for all your input, you have been a wealth of information.


Well guys, Tomorrow is my last day with RCD... I'll try to throw out some photos for you guys of a truck that I have been working on and hoping to finish today. It's an extended cab 4WD. The lift is going on pretty damn smooth!!! Spindles are definately the most difficult part of the install. If you guys are doing this at home you'll need a press or go to a shop that has a clue how to use a press cause it's impossible without one. Also, if you're installing this kit on the floor with jack stands, there's some cutting involved that could potentially cause a few cuss words!!! I'll try to get the new guy that's replacing me to log on here and keep you updated. Issues with Spindles have popped up which is why we're doing this final fit test to make sure it aligns correctly. I sincerely appologize about this delay. I swear a month ago I thought we were SUPER close to release and as long as this truck aligns we should be damn close cause the final machine work can be finished...

hey all-

I am the "new guy" as sirhk100 would describe me, here at RCD. First of all, he did leave cause he wanted to, and is on to bigger and better things. I'll try to fill you in on all the info I can regarding the 6" lift, but as you can tell, my position (which was sirhk100's position) is not in charge of sales, just getting the parts made, so no promises on release dates...

As for needing a press: its to press out the hubs from the stock spindles and into our new ones. New bearings will be supplied in our spindles, but the hubs has to come off the stock ones, and destroys the bearings in the process. The bearings are listed as non-reusable in the Toyota manual, so its kind of inevitable.

As for cutting/cussing: he was saying it'll be a b!tch if you are not using a lift. Its actually really easy to cut the stock crossmember if you are not laying on your back (only necessary on 4wd models). Its only done to lower the diff.

As for pictures: Bilstein does all our shocks in our kits, and are REALLY slow some times. I have the 4wd Tundra sitting on our lift, with wheels and tires waiting to go on, with no shocks. Whenever they get here, I should be able to post pictures...hopefully I won't get in trouble...so we'll see about that one :)

I know you all are freakin axious by now, but don't blame me...I'm new...heh heh :p

Oh, one other thing I just remembered: the kit will only fit Tundras made before september of '03, because the lower ball joint is different, which means different spindle. It shouldn't take too long to get the updated spindles made, but we all know how long "not long" is here at RCD...

hey all-

I am the "new guy" as sirhk100 would describe me, here at RCD. First of all, he did leave cause he wanted to, and is on to bigger and better things. I'll try to fill you in on all the info I can regarding the 6" lift, but as you can tell, my position (which was sirhk100's position) is not in charge of sales, just getting the parts made, so no promises on release dates...

As for needing a press: its to press out the hubs from the stock spindles and into our new ones. New bearings will be supplied in our spindles, but the hubs has to come off the stock ones, and destroys the bearings in the process. The bearings are listed as non-reusable in the Toyota manual, so its kind of inevitable.

As for cutting/cussing: he was saying it'll be a b!tch if you are not using a lift. Its actually really easy to cut the stock crossmember if you are not laying on your back (only necessary on 4wd models). Its only done to lower the diff.

As for pictures: Bilstein does all our shocks in our kits, and are REALLY slow some times. I have the 4wd Tundra sitting on our lift, with wheels and tires waiting to go on, with no shocks. Whenever they get here, I should be able to post pictures...hopefully I won't get in trouble...so we'll see about that one :)

I know you all are freakin axious by now, but don't blame me...I'm new...heh heh :p

Oh, one other thing I just remembered: the kit will only fit Tundras made before september of '03, because the lower ball joint is different, which means different spindle. It shouldn't take too long to get the updated spindles made, but we all know how long "not long" is here at RCD...


Awesome! Glad to hear he didn't get fired, and even happier to know that you guys are still willing to help us out with the info. We all appreciate your guys' comments from RCD.

-A.J.

From : Ken Yoder <ken@racecardynamics.com>
Reply-To : <ken@racecardynamics.com>
Sent : Friday, October 1, 2004 12:34 PM
To : <trdbandit310@HOTMAIL.COM>
Subject : RE: RCD Mailing List


Hello TRDBANDIT,

We are currently finishing up production on the Tundra kit, but the kits
will only fit 1999 through vehicles built before August of 2003 and should
be available in 60+ days. There was a spindle change in 2004 and you are
looking at least 6 months after the current kit is released before we have a
new spindle designed and produced. I will put you on the 2004 Tundra mailing
list and e-mail you when the kit becomes available.

If you have any further questions please feel free to e-mail me back.

Thank you.

This e-mail has just made my desicion final. I'm gonna go w/ a custom fab. It's gonna cost a little more, oh well. I can't wait! Besides, I have a 2004 DC. According to the e-mail they wont even have spindles for my truck. I talked to the guys at Custom motor Sports in Riverside Ca., they are going to make a custom 10" sub frame, 3" body, Donohoe Coilover, Bilsteins in the rear. Total 13" lift, I will Be running 20's on 37" Toyo's Open Country. I'll try to post pics when it's done. Good luck people on your RCD lift.

http://www.custommotorsports.com/cmsindex.cfm?cat=3&make=9&start=31............Check out the white Tundra 13" lift on 37's

This e-mail has just made my desicion final. I'm gonna go w/ a custom fab. It's gonna cost a little more, oh well. I can't wait! Besides, I have a 2004 DC. According to the e-mail they wont even have spindles for my truck. I talked to the guys at Custom motor Sports in Riverside Ca., they are going to make a custom 10" sub frame, 3" body, Donohoe Coilover, Bilsteins in the rear. Total 13" lift, I will Be running 20's on 37" Toyo's Open Country. I'll try to post pics when it's done. Good luck people on your RCD lift.

http://www.custommotorsports.com/cmsindex.cfm?cat=3&make=9&start=31............Check out the white Tundra 13" lift on 37's


What's Up TRDBANDIT,

I'm curious as to how much it will cost for the custom fab? Total price if possible. Thanks.

-TundraBlue03

http://www.custommotorsports.com/cmsindex.cfm?cat=3&make=9&start=31............Check out the white Tundra 13" lift on 37's

Those are great looking trucks, my only concern would be if you are going to take it off-road, and where you will take it off-roading (i.e. desert, rocks, mud) cuz it looks like I could tip it over with a friend helping me push....

Those are great looking trucks, my only concern would be if you are going to take it off-road, and where you will take it off-roading (i.e. desert, rocks, mud) cuz it looks like I could tip it over with a friend helping me push....That's why you never see mud on the frame of a "hi-rise" city-boy truck! :D :devil: All show, no go! ;)

Jeff

Those are great looking trucks, my only concern would be if you are going to take it off-road, and where you will take it off-roading (i.e. desert, rocks, mud) cuz it looks like I could tip it over with a friend helping me push....

I'm sorry but I can't agree about the looks. I think that white Tundra looks flat dumb for some reason. Also, it'd tip over in half a second off road. But, the black pre-runner with glass owns.

This e-mail has just made my desicion final. I'm gonna go w/ a custom fab. It's gonna cost a little more, oh well. I can't wait! Besides, I have a 2004 DC. According to the e-mail they wont even have spindles for my truck. I talked to the guys at Custom motor Sports in Riverside Ca., they are going to make a custom 10" sub frame, 3" body, Donohoe Coilover, Bilsteins in the rear. Total 13" lift, I will Be running 20's on 37" Toyo's Open Country. I'll try to post pics when it's done. Good luck people on your RCD lift.

http://www.custommotorsports.com/cmsindex.cfm?cat=3&make=9&start=31............Check out the white Tundra 13" lift on 37's

Approximately, how much will this cost you? Assuming, it cost about $7000-$9000, you're better off going with a SAS. Get a Dana 60 with some adjustable coilovers and you'll not only have a lifted truck that looks good but, it'll be functional on and off road. Just my $0.02.

On another note. That white tundra is 2WD! :eek: I'm sorry, I just have a problem with a lifted truck that's lifted to the sky with meaty tires and you can only go on green rated trails, maybe blue rated with the tires aired down and the ground is dry and you have locker. If you are going to lift a 2WD, at least go with a long travel kit. Another of my $0.02.

***Post edited***

I have to agree... but those of us with 2WD and not an additional $4K for a Camburg setup :tu: (with new fenders, etc... more like $5K) we have to make do with a bolt-on coilover setup or spacers. I've managed to do fine with most trails I've gone on to date (may try more since I have LSD now) but I would love to have the $ for a long travel setup some day!

I do agree that spending more for a custom setup on a 2WD just for "looks" is just plain crazy! :eek: But I guess that's the whole idea with the hi-rise city-boy trucks anyway - to see who can waste the most $$ on their rides! :clown:

Jeff

freejack's truck is bad a** and his is lifted about 13 inches (and i'm not saying your truck has to be that tall to be cool) so what if you can't take it off road..i'm sure those guys know that they can't take it on SERIOUS off road trails..if they wanted to off road in their really nice truck (which the tundra is) then i'm sure they'd have the money to get a tundra or some other truck and do long travel or some other setup that would allow them to mob the crap out of it..so i say either way you go is really cool..oh yeah..and that white tundra is lifted way too high for those tires...

Okay - if you're gonna lift your truck for street use, then do it like THIS! (http://www.tundrasolutions.com/photopost/showphoto.php/photo/21175/sort/1/cat/500/page/4) - which belongs to Don (YZ250YAM)!

Not only does he have the right size lift for the dia of tire, but he's actually got street tires on 22" rims - so there's no doubt it's a street truck! :tu:

You'll also notice his other insane mods (see shaved door handles, trim, etc...) :D Way to go Don! :D

Jeff

i know..that truck is really, really, really tight..one of my favorite trucks on this site..but that doesn't do it for those guys who want the off-road look for the street..consider this..where do all of you spend most of your time with your tundras..on the street..unless you own a tundra strictly for off roading and you use another car for daily driving..
i'm just trying to stick up for those guys who having sick off-road trucks but mob the street mostly..and you guys can't deny that freejacks truck and even other ones with 32's,33's,35's, whatever..if your tearing up the street with the off road tires..its still looks great..that is the owners choice to not drive their nice cars off road..

i'm not trying to make any one mad here..i'm just trying to open up your guys eyes to other viewpoints of the lifting world..if you have a lift and you choose to mob the street or the dirt.."do it"..."do it"

That white tundra is 2WD! :eek: ... can only go on green rated trails, maybe blue rated with the tires aired down and the ground is dry and you have locker.

Oooooooookay! ;)

Me and Shelbix2020 both have 2x4 Tundra's with no locker or LSD and we both made it through black diamond trails in Gorman with very little problems.

Yeah yeah yeah, Shelby only had trouble once on the trail and was able to fix the problem pretty quick. In my defense, I only got "stuck" once on the trail. I wasn't actually stuck... I just had to back up and get a bit more speed and try again... I made it... and owned that corner! ;)

Don't get me wrong, the trucks look nice but it's not my "cup o' tea". As far as my rating comment, maybe I was being too haste because getting through trails has more to do with how the driver drives. Otherwise, it's your money, do what makes you happy and have fun! :D

Back to the RCD lift...

I am supposed to have shocks today for our Tundra. Bilstein is shipping like 400 sets. Maybe by the end of the day I'll have some pictures to show you. This Tundra is an access cab, and should look a little better than the regular cab one we had as the original test fit truck.

Back to the RCD lift...

I am supposed to have shocks today for our Tundra. Bilstein is shipping like 400 sets. Maybe by the end of the day I'll have some pictures to show you. This Tundra is an access cab, and should look a little better than the regular cab one we had as the original test fit truck.Thanks for the update! Since the majority of the owners here have ACs then I think that will be the best model of what they can expect after they install the RCD package! ;)

Jeff

Okay - if you're gonna lift your truck for street use, then do it like THIS! (http://www.tundrasolutions.com/photopost/showphoto.php/photo/21175/sort/1/cat/500/page/4) - which belongs to Don (YZ250YAM)!

Not only does he have the right size lift for the dia of tire, but he's actually got street tires on 22" rims - so there's no doubt it's a street truck! :tu:

You'll also notice his other insane mods (see shaved door handles, trim, etc...) :D Way to go Don! :D

Jeff
I am generally not a big fan of low profile tires. But I DO like the look of that truck. It's not for me, but I do like the way it looks--different and uniuque. At least it's not lowered.

In either case that's a neat looking truck, just be careful of those 22s on jagged rocks and tree stumps!

Ok, so I got everything done on our AC Tundra's 6" lift today, but I finished right at the end of the day with no time for pics. So I can pretty much guarantee that I can post some Monday. We don't work fridays... :tu:

I can say that I drove it a little though. It drives really nice. But then again, I am used to driving a SuperDuty, which is not quite the same... The 2wd one that we have also drives really nice. Those Bilstein shocks are super smooth, and I bet will be a huge improvement over stock off-road as well.

Ok, so I got everything done on our AC Tundra's 6" lift today, but I finished right at the end of the day with no time for pics. So I can pretty much guarantee that I can post some Monday. We don't work fridays... :tu:

I can say that I drove it a little though. It drives really nice. But then again, I am used to driving a SuperDuty, which is not quite the same... The 2wd one that we have also drives really nice. Those Bilstein shocks are super smooth, and I bet will be a huge improvement over stock off-road as well.Thanks for keeping us up to date! We'll look for those photos as soon as you can get them up next week! :tu:

Jeff

Thanks for sticking up for us AGENT 409! I'm sure all of us 4x2, "hi-rise city-boys w/ lifted trucks, that throw away $$$ on our trucks" appreciate it!
As for dyogim how much for my custom lift? Somewhere between 6K AND 7K thats turnkey! Still not sure, just found out that my co-workers cousin owns the place. Not for sure but hoping for a hook-up. I'll let you guys know...
I also agree that the white Tundra on the web site looks funky! BUT tell you what! I know that it'll look alot better on my D/C w/ 20's on 37's Toyo Open Country's(355/60/20) :cool: My truck shouldn't look "flat dumb". If it is, I'll be the first to admit.
SAS looks too complicating!!! Besides whos gonna do it?

trdbandit..
the deal is with that white tundra is that it has way too much empty space in the wheel wells..he just needs to drop the truck down a little lower to fill up those wheel wells with the tires..then it'd be tight..i think freejacks truck is one of the most successful lifts at 13.5 inches of lift..pretty sure he has 37's too..so check that one out..but i'm sure you know what your doing..can't wait to see pics when you get it..i've been waiting for someone to put big rims and big tires on their tundra..stoked for you dude!

It's all coming back to me now.... the reason I moved out of california....

*edit - if you have enough money for a lift that big, and 20's, and big ass tires, THEN BUY A FRIGGIN' 4x4 IN THE FIRST PLACE, AND ACTUALLY GET YOUR MONEY'S WORTH! Just a thought, not meant as offensive....

I agreee with you AGENT409, that is alot of space in those wheel wells. That's why I'm going w/ the 37 toyo's. The Open Country Toyos are tall and wide. I'm pretty sure they will fill in the w/w a bit more than that white Tundra. If not, Oh well.
The reason I didn't get a 4x4 this time is because, i knew i wasn't going to be off-roading as often as i did before (my son was born). This is my second Tundra! My first Tundra was a 2000 SR5 A/C 4x4 (TRD). I had it for 4 years, treated me right. Off-roaded the piss out of that one. Never had a problem w/ it. That's why i got another Tundra..The reason I'm lifting this one is just for looks. If I wanted to go off-roading w/ it I would of gotten a 4x4. (duh!) no offense.....

If thats the case then my apologies to you. I just couldn't stand living in Cali, and especially can't stand coming back to cali, and seeing millions of abserdly lifted trucks, when 19 out of 20 of them never see anything but a curb. And i still don't agree, but it's your cash and your ride, and it does (or will?) look good. Just serves no purpose for the cost other than that.

The reason I'm lifting this one is just for looks.

Thank you. Thank you. And thank you. This is all I need to hear to be satisfied. I'm sick of all these morons who lift their trucks and put big-a$$ mud-terrains on and say that they off-road with it... even though it's never seen dirt. This is especially true in California. They really annoy the crap out of me. What do I really want? I really want them to say exactly what TRDBANDIT said. If they say that, then they are no longer morons... they are just people who like having cool looking vehicles. I have no problem with that and totally respect it. Now, if we could actually get the rest of the people out there who dump thousands into their truck to just drive on the road to admit that they did it purely for looks, the world would be a better place.

well stated trdbandit..again..i'm stoked to see the finished product..i love those toyos too..i saw them on a chevy w/ 35's and 18's in arizona..they really looked sweet..when are you gunna get it all done??

i don't off road in my daily driver..cuz i beat the sh** out of whatever i take off road..i believe in using a different car for off roading..thats all..something like a 69 land rover series 2..or 91 toyota landcruiser..and trust me..they mob..i've jumped a cruizer pretty huge..so if you want that off road style and your not going to off road in it..why not? who is it hurting honestly? i don't see any harm in lifting just for style..at least its not another honda element or pontiac aztec on the road..

anyways..lets get back on topic with the RCD lift cuz this is that thread..and i don't want to hear people bag on california anymore and how they hate our style..thats how we roll in california..

I approached the RCD booth on Saturday & Sunday. The guy on Saturday said the project has been going on for 3 years (true) and it will be selling in January for a price range of 1700-1800 dollars (not bad). The guy on Sunday said the kit is very close to being done and will be out in 30 to 60 days. I wouldn't count on either story except for the part that it took 3 years to figure this out. Hopefully Klaud will upload some pictures by tomorrow :tu:

Ok, I'm new to this particular forum, so if I mess up linking to my pictures, someone let me know. If the link doesn't work, just go to the pictures section and search for my username.

The pictures I posted are of the 4wd AC Tundra that I just put our 6" lift on. It's the same kit that's on the white regular cab that's in my avatar, and in previous posts from a long time ago. This kit is the first "production" kit to be installed, let alone on a 4wd. This truck is a V8 also, and so being much heavier than the 2wd, it has a little lower ride height. We are thinking of offering spring spacers to adjust ride height for different engine/drivetrain configurations, but at this time, this truck has the same setup as the 2wd. If you have an opinion on the adjustable ride height option, let me know. I think consumers (you guys) would like to be able to have the thing sit where you want it. Plus, being an engineer, I can't help but want it "right"...

Pics: 2002 4WD V8 Tundra AC, RCD 6" lift (http://www.tundrasolutions.com/photopost/showgallery.php/ppuser/25946/cat/500)

Awesome Klaud! I can hardly stand it! The only benefit is that the longer I wait, the more time I have to save up the clams. The pictures came out quite well, even though you are not a professional photographer. ;) Thanks for keeping all of us posted on the latest developments.

So whose gonna organize a group buy when these babies hit the showroom floor? Do we have any group buy veterans watching this thread?

Sweet pics, that gives us a really good look at the kit.

In looking at the lower control arm it looks like adjustment could be utilized up front. I would like some adjustable coils, then us crazies could pull a couple more inches out of it.


Ok, I'm new to this particular forum, so if I mess up linking to my pictures, someone let me know. If the link doesn't work, just go to the pictures section and search for my username.

The pictures I posted are of the 4wd AC Tundra that I just put our 6" lift on. It's the same kit that's on the white regular cab that's in my avatar, and in previous posts from a long time ago. This kit is the first "production" kit to be installed, let alone on a 4wd. This truck is a V8 also, and so being much heavier than the 2wd, it has a little lower ride height. We are thinking of offering spring spacers to adjust ride height for different engine/drivetrain configurations, but at this time, this truck has the same setup as the 2wd. If you have an opinion on the adjustable ride height option, let me know. I think consumers (you guys) would like to be able to have the thing sit where you want it. Plus, being an engineer, I can't help but want it "right"...

Pics: 2002 4WD V8 Tundra AC, RCD 6" lift (http://www.tundrasolutions.com/photopost/showgallery.php/ppuser/25946/cat/500)

Sweet pics, that gives us a really good look at the kit.

In looking at the lower control arm it looks like adjustment could be utilized up front. I would like some adjustable coils, then us crazies could pull a couple more inches out of it.

Imdone-

Please elaborate on what you are seeing with the lower control arm in terms of adjustment. And to clarify, the coils would only be adjustable in that you could change the preload of the spring. You would be able to insert different thickness spacers to preload the spring more or less to set the ride height at the desired value. As far as I can tell, the [stock] front springs aren't any different rates for the different engine/drivetrain configurations, so the heavier trucks will sit lower. The springs used are still the stock springs, we just supply the rest of the shock setup. So, by "pull a couple more inches out of it", I'm assuming you mean ride height? Correct me if I'm wrong here...

the pics look great..although i was hoping to see the lift with 35's on it..on terms of the ride height..i'd like to see a little more than 5 inches so you could easier fit 35's in the wheel well with minor amounts of trimming due to rubbing..you guys do quote it as a 6 inch lift..so try and get 6 inches out of it if possible..

the pics look great..although i was hoping to see the lift with 35's on it..on terms of the ride height..i'd like to see a little more than 5 inches so you could easier fit 35's in the wheel well with minor amounts of trimming due to rubbing..you guys do quote it as a 6 inch lift..so try and get 6 inches out of it if possible..

I agree with you completely :) I will be pushing for some sort of coil spacer for heavier trucks, available as an option to the kit.

To be honest with you, the 2wd we have has 35's, and it hasn't rubbed yet. The only difference with the 4wd is that it is sitting a little lower at ride height.

And as a side note: I'd like to re-iterate something sirhk100 had said before...try to keep this stuff on the DL... Not that I'm giving out any gnarly proprietary stuff here, but this is solely for your [the customer's] info, and not written in stone. I'm just glad you all are interested in our prosucts, and feel like you should get real info, and have a company who actually gives a sh** about the cutomers!

To be honest with you, the 2wd we have has 35's, and it hasn't rubbed yet. The only difference with the 4wd is that it is sitting a little lower at ride height.

lets see some high quality pics of that 2wd drive you have then..


a company who actually gives a sh** about the cutomers

thats rare these days...me and i'm sure all of us sincerely appreciate yours and sirk1000's help..thanks guys!

Ok, go to the pictures and look under ny name, or just go back a few posts and click the link. There's some pics of the older 2wd Tundra with 35's.

I agree with you completely :) I will be pushing for some sort of coil spacer for heavier trucks, available as an option to the kit.

I currently have a set of Cornfed spacers installed to help level up the front of my truck, sounds like I could continue to use them with this kit. To the best of your knowledge, would this be correct?

I currently have a set of Cornfed spacers installed to help level up the front of my truck, sounds like I could continue to use them with this kit. To the best of your knowledge, would this be correct?

I'm not familiar with those particular spacers, but as long as they are coil spacers, and not spacing the entire shock down, you should be okay. In other words, if you had to disassemble the shock and spring to put in the spacers, you'd be alright. If you just slipped in spacers into where the shock mounts (upper), you will be overextending the suspension components.

You and I are talking about exactly the same thing.

I mean the lower control arm is almost perfecly horizontal, which means that you can adjust the ride height with a spacer or a screw type adjustment for the shock and spring, I would personally like to see a 2" spacer for the spring, which would also mean that you would need a larger block for the rear. I like it even at 5" though, it's just since you brought up the adjustability I like that idea too.




Imdone-

Please elaborate on what you are seeing with the lower control arm in terms of adjustment. And to clarify, the coils would only be adjustable in that you could change the preload of the spring. You would be able to insert different thickness spacers to preload the spring more or less to set the ride height at the desired value. As far as I can tell, the [stock] front springs aren't any different rates for the different engine/drivetrain configurations, so the heavier trucks will sit lower. The springs used are still the stock springs, we just supply the rest of the shock setup. So, by "pull a couple more inches out of it", I'm assuming you mean ride height? Correct me if I'm wrong here...

That means the Cornfeds will work and it looks like I will have 7" of lift, so I only need a new block for the rear and I am in business. SWEET!!!!!


I'm not familiar with those particular spacers, but as long as they are coil spacers, and not spacing the entire shock down, you should be okay. In other words, if you had to disassemble the shock and spring to put in the spacers, you'd be alright. If you just slipped in spacers into where the shock mounts (upper), you will be overextending the suspension components.

One other thing, what is the distance between the sidewall of the tire and that spindle?

Thanks.

Klaud,

I'm currently running Donahoe coilovers and Total choas UCA in the front. Will I be able to incorporate them into your lift? I couldn't toss $1500 and sleep at night, nor would my wife let me.

Thanks, Jacob

Klaud,

I'm currently running Donahoe coilovers and Total choas UCA in the front. Will I be able to incorporate them into your lift? I couldn't toss $1500 and sleep at night, nor would my wife let me.

Thanks, Jacob


WHEN MAMA AINT HAPPY..AINT NOBODY HAPPY..

Klaud,

I'm currently running Donahoe coilovers and Total choas UCA in the front. Will I be able to incorporate them into your lift? I couldn't toss $1500 and sleep at night, nor would my wife let me.

Thanks, Jacob

It seems to me that the upper Uniball arms from Total Chaos should work with our spindle, because the upper ball joint is the same as stock, and they use the stock spindle for their uniball "bung". The only trouble is that the shocks won't work in their current configuration. Our spindle is so much longer than stock, which means our shock is a lot longer than stock. Unfortunately, the Donahoes, or others, won't work for what you bought them for. After our kit comes out, someone might decide to make coil-overs to replace our Bilstein ones, but that's a whole other story. I know that sucks for you all that bought some custom shocks from someone, but I might have a solution to that problem in the future. There would be the possibility of making a spacer for the upper mount of the shock to still be able to utilize the Donahoes, or others, but I'd have to spend some time on that one, and i probably won't be doing that on the clock...I'll let you know about that if I'm ever able to work something out.

Or, just toss the 1500, buy the wifey another diamond, buy our kit, and be out 20,000 by the time its all over. At least she'd let you sleep at night... :tu:

One other thing, what is the distance between the sidewall of the tire and that spindle?

Thanks.


I'm running the TC lift with King's coilovers and just put 35's (315/75/16) on. I have about 3/4 of an inch clearance from the tire to the spindle using 4" rim backspacing. Also, no turning rubbing issues either. Just for info...

I'm running the TC lift with King's coilovers and just put 35's (315/75/16) on. I have about 3/4 of an inch clearance from the tire to the spindle using 4" rim backspacing. Also, no turning rubbing issues either. Just for info...

I just looked at the photos of the TC lift with the King coilovers. The spacer he has at the top of his King shock is along the lines of the type of spacer needed to run your Donahoe [or other] shocks with what will soon be the RCD kit. At least thats my theory...

Also, in regards to tire clearance on the spindle, I'll have to go check that when one of the trucks gets back to the shop. Ones getting graphics, the other's getting aligned.

I'm running the TC lift with King's coilovers and just put 35's (315/75/16) on. I have about 3/4 of an inch clearance from the tire to the spindle using 4" rim backspacing. Also, no turning rubbing issues either. Just for info...
You gotta put some pics up of that...

Anyhow, back on topic.

So, If I understand this correctly, the Donahoe's OAL is to short to work with this kit?

So, If I understand this correctly, the Donahoe's OAL is to short to work with this kit?

Right. Because we leave the upper arm in the stock position, and the lower arm drops with our new crossmembers, the OAL of the shock needs to be longer, but the travel doesn't increase. As a side note to that, I think if you are using those Total Chaos upper arms and different shocks to get another inch of droop, you probably couldn't get the extra inch if you had a 4wd and our kit. Those diff drop down spacers won't work with our kit to drop the diff another inch. The diff sits on top of our crossmember, so it can't go any lower.

And to respond to agent wd-40, that guy does have pics posted in the picture section. Thats how I saw them.

Okay - have to ask then... how about the Fabtech Pro Adjustable Coilovers? :confused:

Thanks,

Jeff

There isn't a strut/coilover out there that will fit with the RCD kit unless it's approximately 6" longer than the stock one. The lower control arm is dropped down six inches, so you'll need a coilover that is approximately 25" long to fill the gap. On a side note, you could make a set of Teamwest's external reservoir shocks work with this kit provided you have a set of fabricated top plates that will make the overall length aproximately 25" long like the ones in my pics.

Wait a minute! Your kit already comes with the new shocks anyway, right? So why do I need to worry about my old ones? :D :rolleyes:

It's gonna be a while before I can afford to upgrade anyway, but knowing that I can for a reasonable amount is good to know! ;)

Thanks again for sharing so much detailed info to this forum! :tu:

Jeff

So I see that you are trying to get a spacer that fits like the Tuff Country kit. Isn't this spacer an out of coil spacer? I read in your other post that if the spacer is the type that you had to take the coilover apart that was the correct spacer. SO...Which one will work or is it any spacer? Thanks for the info.

ALSO

Might we be able to get the height of the rear spacer that comes with the kit so we may be able to machine a larger one if we lift the truck past the RCD height?

ALSO

Is there a different suggestion that you may have to lift the rear end to keep level with the front "added lift"?

ALSO

If we add extra lift say 2" higher then would the RCD traction bars still fit?

Sorry for so many questions, but since you brought it up you really have me thinkin'.

Thanks for all your input, it is really appreciated around these parts.


I just looked at the photos of the TC lift with the King coilovers. The spacer he has at the top of his King shock is along the lines of the type of spacer needed to run your Donahoe [or other] shocks with what will soon be the RCD kit. At least thats my theory...

Also, in regards to tire clearance on the spindle, I'll have to go check that when one of the trucks gets back to the shop. Ones getting graphics, the other's getting aligned.



I'm running the TC lift with King's coilovers and just put 35's (315/75/16) on. I have about 3/4 of an inch clearance from the tire to the spindle using 4" rim backspacing. Also, no turning rubbing issues either. Just for info...

So I see that you are trying to get a spacer that fits like the Tuff Country kit. Isn't this spacer an out of coil spacer? I read in your other post that if the spacer is the type that you had to take the coilover apart that was the correct spacer. SO...Which one will work or is it any spacer? Thanks for the info.
For the OUTSIDE-the-coil spacer, I was referring to using someone else's aftermarket coil over with our kit, thus needing a spacer like the tuff country ones. For the coil spacers, I was referring to adjusting the preload on the springs, and thus the ride height of our kit for different weight trucks [read: different engine/drivetrain combinations].



Might we be able to get the height of the rear spacer that comes with the kit so we may be able to machine a larger one if we lift the truck past the RCD height?
Well, I assume you're talking about the block...it's a 4 inch block. Which makes the front and rear about level after the lift because the front was lower before. But I'm not really sure how you would even lift the front higher than the RCD height...and I definitely wouldn't recommend it.



Is there a different suggestion that you may have to lift the rear end to keep level with the front "added lift"?
I don't follow this one...what do you mean by added lift? Our kit will be complete, front and rear, and will not need anything to be any better ;)



If we add extra lift say 2" higher then would the RCD traction bars still fit?

Sorry for so many questions, but since you brought it up you really have me thinkin'.

Thanks for all your input, it is really appreciated around these parts.
Again, I wouldn't lift the rear any higher, especially not with the front lifted with our kit. The steering and suspension geometry is specifically set for our setup, and if you mess around with it, you might be screwing yourself. Technically, the traction bars are universal for most lifted trucks, because you are drilling your own holes in the frame for the front mounts, so they should work on most anything. Thats how we sell them, universal traction bars, but with specific mounts so they match up to different frame rails.

Wait a minute! Your kit already comes with the new shocks anyway, right? So why do I need to worry about my old ones? :D :rolleyes:

It's gonna be a while before I can afford to upgrade anyway, but knowing that I can for a reasonable amount is good to know! ;)

Thanks again for sharing so much detailed info to this forum! :tu:

Jeff

And yes, ours will come with new shocks, but you will need your stock springs and upper spring perch to put onto our shock. Hopefully you guys haven't been throwing those away...

There isn't a strut/coilover out there that will fit with the RCD kit unless it's approximately 6" longer than the stock one. The lower control arm is dropped down six inches, so you'll need a coilover that is approximately 25" long to fill the gap. On a side note, you could make a set of Teamwest's external reservoir shocks work with this kit provided you have a set of fabricated top plates that will make the overall length aproximately 25" long like the ones in my pics.

This is almost true, but the shock isn't really 6" longer. I can't really divulge the true dimensions, so you'll have to measure it for yourself when it comes out...

why do you not recommend lifting the truck higher than the RCD height if we wanted to put different coils up front or new coilovers??

Well, it's of course totally up to the consumer, namely you, but here's my opinion:

Our kit is designed and manufactured to be optimized. The ride height that we set for the front suspension is based upon what we think rides best. Bilstein also spends a lot of time custom valving our shocks for what we want. All these components put together are also designed to not overextend the balljoints or the driveshafts/CV joints, steering, etc. The steering is also a very important component of this kit. Where we set ride height is where the steering is designed to be aligned at, for the sake of minimizing bumpsteer. The bumpsteer on this kit is freakin minimal, and being that I drove the 4wd truck home last night, I can honestly say that it drives and rides really nice. If you want the truck to be higher, by all means, its your buck, but just know what you'd be changing before you do. For your own sake, really. I am sure there will be ways to make our kit go higher, but I of course can't really advocate that. Especially not on here. If you happened to run into me one day on the street, I can't say what would come out of my mouth. :D

And yes, ours will come with new shocks, but you will need your stock springs and upper spring perch to put onto our shock. Hopefully you guys haven't been throwing those away...Uhhhh... they never gave any stock parts back to me after I had the Fabtech lift installed. Bummer... guess I'll be looking on eBay if I ever hope to use your lift! :(

Jeff

Call up Fabtech and tell them they owe you some stock stuff or to buy you the ones off ebay, cause that sh*t belongs to you!!! I hate when people don't give you your parts back. If they are gonna go in the trash, at least you could be responsible for it.

The best and relatively easiest way to get more lift out of the RCD kit is to add a set of Wheelers coils or Northwest Offroad coils to the Bilsteins. You'd be adding 1" - 2 1/2" of lift onto the 6" RCD provides. I'd go with the Northwest coils for a slightly better ride. Then you'd probably need an add leaf in the rear to go with the blocks to keep things level. Since you'll have a truck that probably won't be worth a schit off road, you might as well add a 3" body lift and put 38's on it to try and attract some girlies...

The best and relatively easiest way to get more lift out of the RCD kit is to add a set of Wheelers coils or Northwest Offroad coils to the Bilsteins. You'd be adding 1" - 2 1/2" of lift onto the 6" RCD provides. I'd go with the Northwest coils for a slightly better ride. Then you'd probably need an add leaf in the rear to go with the blocks to keep things level. Since you'll have a truck that probably won't be worth a schit off road, you might as well add a 3" body lift and put 38's on it to try and attract some girlies...


how would adding 1-2.5 inches of lift to the front make it crappy off road??
i'm not saying adding 38's..leave the 35's..

The thing about adding lift with stiffer springs, or preloading the ones you have, is this: all you're doing is making the thing sit higher at ride height. The truck will be almost completely extended at ride height, so all the travel is up travel. That is $h!tty on- or off-road, because as soon as you go over a hole, the suspension doesn't let the tires follow the road, which makes for a terrible ride. That's what I was saying about our kit being set up to ride good. You can totally add lift with springs or spacers, but IMO it will ride a lot worse. But hey, to each his own I always say :tu:

well..is there any way to keep a good ride for on and off road performance and being able to add 1-2 inches of lift to the front with your RCD kit?? sway aways..donahoes..coils..spacers..what?? pretend we are having a street conversation..what would you do if YOU wanted that 1-2 more inches in front..??

well..is there any way to keep a good ride for on and off road performance and being able to add 1-2 inches of lift to the front with your RCD kit?? sway aways..donahoes..coils..spacers..what?? pretend we are having a street conversation..what would you do if YOU wanted that 1-2 more inches in front..??

I'll keep that info to PM's. On this forum I really gotta try to stick to information regarding the RCD stuff, and not other companies' stuff. I got a job to keep here...

So if anyone has questions like that, PM me or email me, and maybe we can talk.

Thanks guys (or girls)

heh

If you're only looking to gain a couple of inches for bigger tires, then why not stick with the RCD lift as-is and just do a 2-3" body lift? No sense putting all that weight high-centered anyway! ;)

Jeff

For the OUTSIDE-the-coil spacer, I was referring to using someone else's aftermarket coil over with our kit, thus needing a spacer like the tuff country ones. For the coil spacers, I was referring to adjusting the preload on the springs, and thus the ride height of our kit for different weight trucks [read: different engine/drivetrain combinations].

I thought about this and decided against it. 5" is high enough with 33" tires. Should perform just fine for light off road travel and I don't want to degrade the on road ride.


Well, I assume you're talking about the block...it's a 4 inch block. Which makes the front and rear about level after the lift because the front was lower before. But I'm not really sure how you would even lift the front higher than the RCD height...and I definitely wouldn't recommend it.

Yeah block. I also got to thinking about this and if going taller axle rotation would be an issue that I really don't have time to even think about.



I don't follow this one...what do you mean by added lift? Our kit will be complete, front and rear, and will not need anything to be any better ;)

Following same lines as above, still more difficult that it's worth.


Again, I wouldn't lift the rear any higher, especially not with the front lifted with our kit. The steering and suspension geometry is specifically set for our setup, and if you mess around with it, you might be screwing yourself. Technically, the traction bars are universal for most lifted trucks, because you are drilling your own holes in the frame for the front mounts, so they should work on most anything. Thats how we sell them, universal traction bars, but with specific mounts so they match up to different frame rails.


Thanks for the info, I appreciate it and it appears that I just needed to think about it for a minute. Preload = Bad RCD, leave it alone = good. :tu:

I uploaded another pic of the 4WD Tundra after I put the optional Trac Bars on it. It's kinda hard to see them cause they're black. I like 'em...

I uploaded another pic of the 4WD Tundra after I put the optional Trac Bars on it. It's kinda hard to see them cause they're black. I like 'em...Dang - I really like the look of that! Do those come with the kit or are they extra?

Thanks - Jeff

The key word there was "optional", but I should've said "not included with the kit" :D

They are pretty expensive IMO, but they look sweet, are actually functional, and can be put on most any lifted truck with rear leaf springs.

Oh, on a totally unrelated note. I found out today that a 4wd AC Tundra will bottom out with about 1600 punds in the bed... ;)

Doh! :clown: I was just so excited I read right past that "optional"!

Oh well... thanks for posting the pics though! :tu:

Jeff

I uploaded another pic of the 4WD Tundra after I put the optional Trac Bars on it. It's kinda hard to see them cause they're black. I like 'em...

Stupid question but, What exactly do trac bars do?

Hey All,

I wanted to hear everyone's opinion on if they think by putting 35's w/ the RCD, the trucks will also need larger callipers(hope that's how its spelled) because of the larger tire and would also regearing. This is in terms of the trucks that don't do any off-roading period. Any other mods you think may be required would also be great. I'm thinking in terms of preventing future problems, not necessarily enhancing anything. Thanks.

regearing definitely..your gas mileage will die..speedo won't be accurate either..

as far as brake calipers..a big brake kit would definitely get you closest back to normal on stopping distance..putting 35's on your truck will make it harder to stop with your stock brakes..you don't necessarily have to..just keep your distance if you don't..

I've been on 35's for about 3 years now, and haven't regeared, or put on larger calipers. I think you might be jumping the gun. It's really not all that different from stock. Your gas mileage won't die, in fact if you re-gear, you'll get lower gas mileage on the highway. Getting the TRD big brake kit is a huge step at nearly $2,000 along with only being able to do 17 inch rims, thats something I would never even consider, and in fact think it's totally unneccesary. If you ARE going to off-road, then I'd probably reccomend a re-gear, as I just busted my front diff off-roading. Hope that helps.

-A.J.

*edit - and if you don't change your speedo, and just realize that you are going 20% faster than your speedo says, it'll keep your mileage low and your warranty will last a little longer. Just a sneaky suggestion. Also, if you get a speeding ticket, you can plea in court that you thought your speedo was changed by the installer of your kit (regardless of getting it installed or doing it yourself), suck it up and change the speedo, and possibly get out of the ticket.

i guess i'm wrong..that has been my experience with most chevy's..

First off, Trac bars will help with axle wrap, which is pretty bad on Toyotas. They also help with axle hop, which is nice off-road. My superduty does it real bad, and in sand i think my rear end is going to fall out if i romp on it.

As for the brake issue, putting 35's on won't be that big of a deal, as Big Green said. Plus you gotta get bigger wheels, like he said as well.

And my old chevy wouldn't stop worth a damn going uphill in the sand, let alone when i put bigger tires on it :D

Green,

Thanks alot for the great info, for a second there I thought I was going to have to fork out more dough for that stuff.

Would running 35's and not re-gearing cause unnecessary wear on the tranny, especially around town or if you're towing?

BigGreen, what is your typical in town and freeway mileage with your 35’s? I would guess your in town mileage would take a bit of a hit though.

Tommy, are your friends compensating for the fact that your odometer will read lower mileage than was actually driven with larger tires? That could be part of the reason their mileage was killed.

Anything you do that is not stock is obviously going to (most likely) cause uneccesary wear on the tranny, but I drive my truck a whole hell of a lot harder than I should, and I've never once had a problem with the engine except for a small leak in the manifolds which are being replaced under warranty. My city/hwy mileage, driving very hard, is 11/14-15, going about 85 on the highway and, again, driving hard in the city. You should be fine. I drive on the highway quite a bit as well.

As far as towing, I cannot give you any info regarding that as I have absolutely zero experience. Hopefully someone with larger tires can chip in on that subject. Good luck guys. You'll soon find that 35's are hands-down the best looking tire size for these trucks.

-A.J.

You had previously noted that the trac-bars are pretty pricey in your opinion. Do you know what the cost for a set is? I don't see that there is a price on the website. Thanks.


First off, Trac bars will help with axle wrap, which is pretty bad on Toyotas. They also help with axle hop, which is nice off-road. My superduty does it real bad, and in sand i think my rear end is going to fall out if i romp on it.

As for the brake issue, putting 35's on won't be that big of a deal, as Big Green said. Plus you gotta get bigger wheels, like he said as well.

And my old chevy wouldn't stop worth a damn going uphill in the sand, let alone when i put bigger tires on it :D

The Trac Bar kits cost somewhere around 800 bucks I think. And don't rely on our website for pretty much anything. If you want real info, you gotta call. The website is in the process of being totally redone, so nothing is really up to date.

The Trac Bar kits cost somewhere around 800 bucks I think. And don't rely on our website for pretty much anything. If you want real info, you gotta call. The website is in the process of being totally redone, so nothing is really up to date.

Thanks. That's kinda spendy. Maybe later I'll get a set. Still waiting on the lift first. :D

Hey Klaud,

Do you know what color shocks the RCD kit will contain, the yellow or the chrome colored shocks? Also, any news on the release? Thanks.

In your pics you state that the 4x4 gets about 5" lift and the 4x2 gets more lift? Is that true? Next question is will this lift work on the 2004 A. cab and with total chaos uppers? I have them on my truck already and do not want to take them off.

I thought I was gonna get a body lift, but wont work w/ 04's Tuff country w/ new spindles wont work w/ 04's, so will yours?

Any help appreciated.

Chad

In your pics you state that the 4x4 gets about 5" lift and the 4x2 gets more lift? Is that true? Next question is will this lift work on the 2004 A. cab and with total chaos uppers? I have them on my truck already and do not want to take them off.

I thought I was gonna get a body lift, but wont work w/ 04's Tuff country w/ new spindles wont work w/ 04's, so will yours?

Any help appreciated.

Chad

The kit won't work for the '03 and '04 until we can make new spindles for those, because the steering arms bolt up differently. There is more info in the earlier posts about all that (i know its a huge thread...)

And the shocks will be that zinc-coated silver color.

The kits should be packaged here in the next few weeks, but I'm not sure what they will be doing about the inital release. I'll let everyone know as soon as I know anything solid.

FYI Everyone,

The RCD website as of today has the TOYO lift listed on there with the product specs. The only downside is that they have the pic of the standard cab and not the access cab. Maybe Klaud can persuade them to change them over? :)

i was wondering could we get a pic of the truck with the kit with some point of reference like a 6 ft person standing in front of it or something like that so that we can see the difference better?
thanks
josh

Next week I will be getting that 4WD access cab truck back and will be resetting the ride height to where we want it. I mentioned before it was lower than we hoped, and I will try and take pictures after we change it. I'll also try to get some sort of reference, but really, if you look at your own truck, and look at this one, it should be pretty obvious how much taller it is...

What do you mean you will be reseting the ride height where you want it? Is some part of the kit changing?

Thanks.

What do you mean you will be reseting the ride height where you want it? Is some part of the kit changing?

Thanks.

I guess I should have elaborated on that one...
I was referring to what some people had asked about in the picture section regarding the 4WD Tundra pics I posted. It was the first kit we installed on a 4WD, and a V8 for that matter. The only thing I was talking about changing is the ride height on that truck, which is a result of the spring preload. I will be preloading the springs on that truck more by changing where the lower spring perch sits. It is located on the shock shaft by a snap-ring, which is in a groove. We'll be just putting new grooves in a different spot to change the ride height to get it where we want it, which will be more like what the 2WD (red and white) Tundra we have looks like. I will post some new pics of that one after this week, cause it has a nice new graphic job on it for SEMA.

I guess I should have elaborated on that one...
I was referring to what some people had asked about in the picture section regarding the 4WD Tundra pics I posted. It was the first kit we installed on a 4WD, and a V8 for that matter. The only thing I was talking about changing is the ride height on that truck, which is a result of the spring preload. I will be preloading the springs on that truck more by changing where the lower spring perch sits. It is located on the shock shaft by a snap-ring, which is in a groove. We'll be just putting new grooves in a different spot to change the ride height to get it where we want it, which will be more like what the 2WD (red and white) Tundra we have looks like. I will post some new pics of that one after this week, cause it has a nice new graphic job on it for SEMA.


totally sweet..looking forward to seeing that..i'm glad you guys decided to get the height matter taken care of..you just had to be taller than muff country..

I guess I should have elaborated on that one...
I was referring to what some people had asked about in the picture section regarding the 4WD Tundra pics I posted. It was the first kit we installed on a 4WD, and a V8 for that matter. The only thing I was talking about changing is the ride height on that truck, which is a result of the spring preload. I will be preloading the springs on that truck more by changing where the lower spring perch sits. It is located on the shock shaft by a snap-ring, which is in a groove. We'll be just putting new grooves in a different spot to change the ride height to get it where we want it, which will be more like what the 2WD (red and white) Tundra we have looks like. I will post some new pics of that one after this week, cause it has a nice new graphic job on it for SEMA.


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The spring perch is the circle that attaches to the shock body, correct? So this is being put at a different height on the body?! Won't that harshen the ride, at least a little? Is this also a way to eliminate the spacer idea that you were thinking of previously?

Is this going to be a change for all the kits that are sold and shipped out?

The spring perch is the circle that attaches to the shock body, correct? So this is being put at a different height on the body?!
Yes and yes

Won't that harshen the ride, at least a little?
It won't be "harsher" because that really has more to do with the shocks. It will be stiffer than it is now (on this particular truck) but that is a good thing. The bilstein shocks that come with this kit make it much less harsh than stock.

Is this also a way to eliminate the spacer idea that you were thinking of previously?
Yes, that would be the idea. I don't like the idea of using a spacer as much as having a new groove, so that's what I'm shooting for.

Is this going to be a change for all the kits that are sold and shipped out?
I honestly don't know yet. But whatever we decide, it's gonna be happening pretty fast, because we are supposed to be getting out the first few kits, well, pretty much asap. After 2 long years, (don't blame me for that... :D , I'm new!) these will be on the road pretty freakin quick...

Sweet!!! Bringing it up to 6", right where it should be. Much better. I was hoping that I would't be getting a 5" kit advertised as a 6" kit.

If you get get any more pics that would be sweet.

Thanks

I'm sure it is somewhere in this thread, but I haven't seen it yet. Do we have a price on these kits without the trac bars?

Thanks.

just out of curiousity..are most of you guys who are buying this kit going to run it w/35's?? i sure hope so..i wish there were more tundras with 35's..it looks sooo good! let me know..

I'm sure it is somewhere in this thread, but I haven't seen it yet. Do we have a price on these kits without the trac bars?

Thanks.

Heh heh...you'd have to call the sales guys about that one ;)
Website: RCD (http://www.racecardynamics.com)

I plan on throwing 35's on. I want to get feedback from people before I purchase though, because ideally I want 10" wide tires with decent size tread. I'm thinking 10" so that the tires can stick out of the body of the truck by an inch or two. Any ideas on what it will take to achieve this are welcome.

what is the exact vertical distance from the center of the stock lower control arm pivot point (ie the bolt with the cam on the end) to the same point with the kit installed?

-sean

Just to give you something to compare with:

I was able to fit a 10" wide wheel (with 33" tires) on my Tundra with only a 2.5" coilover lift (Fabtech). Wheel offset was the key there. Plus I had to do a lot of trimming around the integrated TRD mudflaps and the plastic trimming below the front bumper but it didn't rub at all after that. Use wheels with proper offset and you can clear the 10" width with 35's (hopefully). It's all trial and error though. So when you get your wheels for your lift, you might want to test fit some wheels first.


I plan on throwing 35's on. I want to get feedback from people before I purchase though, because ideally I want 10" wide tires with decent size tread. I'm thinking 10" so that the tires can stick out of the body of the truck by an inch or two. Any ideas on what it will take to achieve this are welcome.

Just to give you something to compare with:

I was able to fit a 10" wide wheel (with 33" tires) on my Tundra with only a 2.5" coilover lift (Fabtech). Wheel offset was the key there. Plus I had to do a lot of trimming around the integrated TRD mudflaps and the plastic trimming below the front bumper but it didn't rub at all after that. Use wheels with proper offset and you can clear the 10" width with 35's (hopefully). It's all trial and error though. So when you get your wheels for your lift, you might want to test fit some wheels first.
So, what was the offset??

what is the exact vertical distance from the center of the stock lower control arm pivot point (ie the bolt with the cam on the end) to the same point with the kit installed?

-sean
Well, that's not the only thing that determines the lift height. The combination of moving that mounting point, with a totally different spindle/knuckle than stock, and the new coil-overs, will give a lift of 5.5"-6.5". The overall geometry compared to stock will give the lift, corrected steering, and improved ride.

Sorry to hijack here. But, can someone post the damned price so I can determine whether or not to keep paying attention....

Just called RCD
The sales rep said that it's still a couple weeks out til they have the pricing for the kit, but his "high side" guess was $2,600 - 2,800 retail.

I also remember reading from Sirhk100 that the RCD price was going to be higher than that of an aftermarket store.

We'll just have to see, although I also thought someone posted that it was supposed to be around $1,700 - $1,800...

What part of the steering is corrected? Are you talking about Camber, Caster and/or Toe?



Well, that's not the only thing that determines the lift height. The combination of moving that mounting point, with a totally different spindle/knuckle than stock, and the new coil-overs, will give a lift of 5.5"-6.5". The overall geometry compared to stock will give the lift, corrected steering, and improved ride.

What part of the steering is corrected? Are you talking about Camber, Caster and/or Toe?

Well, really I meant that it was corrected for the lift. The camber and toe change were optimized for the new suspension configuration. The lifted vehicles change in caster with wheel travel is going to be almost exactly the same as stock.

Just called RCD
The sales rep said that it's still a couple weeks out til they have the pricing for the kit, but his "high side" guess was $2,600 - 2,800 retail.

I also remember reading from Sirhk100 that the RCD price was going to be higher than that of an aftermarket store.

We'll just have to see, although I also thought someone posted that it was supposed to be around $1,700 - $1,800...
Did I win the great RCD price package? I think I guessed $2600. That really is a reasonable price for the type of kit that they've put together. 'Other' brands have gone with spacers and the like and these guys FABBED US A NEW SPINDLE!

Well, really I meant that it was corrected for the lift. The camber and toe change were optimized for the new suspension configuration. The lifted vehicles change in caster with wheel travel is going to be almost exactly the same as stock.


We still need to have an alignment done after the lift, correct?!

Won't the allignment specs differ from that of the stock truck? Are there any different specs for the truck?


M. Donofrio, I was expecting a $2500 price tag. We'll see if that changes over the next couple weeks. Any info that anyone finds for the price of other retailers would be appreciated here. :)

Maybe I'm just not familiar with how much this lifts actually cost, but $2,600 seems pretty high. I realize they made new spindles but spindles seem to be pretty cheap. My buddy just put a new spindle on his CJ and it ran about $40. I don't really see why it would be so expensive to produce new spindles for the tundra. I think the $2,600 would be justified if RCD was providing some performance benefit, but it seems to me that they are simply raising the vehicle and keeping performance similar to stock. I can't see this lift doing anything like the Camburg and TC lifts with new coilovers, which are only a few hundred dollars more. Can anyone educate me as to why this lift is so great and worth the $2,600? It doesn't seem to be that much different than Tuffcountry other than the 1" and new spindles and tuffcountry is almost half the cost. Can someone tell me why I should spend the money on this lift over others?

Thanks.

The cost is still not determined. That was just a guess from a sales person at RCD.

As for the rest I am sure Klaud can give you some nice feedback.

The cost is still not determined. That was just a guess from a sales person at RCD.

As for the rest I am sure Klaud can give you some nice feedback.


yeah..i'd definitely like to hear why we should buy this lift over the new/improved tuff country lift??

yeah..i'd definitely like to hear why we should buy this lift over the new/improved tuff country lift??


If you check for other RCD kits around the same height they are around the same cost. This one is the most expensive that I have seen.

The RCD kit should provide a better ride than the Tuff country lift. I also like the fact that there is no front spacer with this kit and that the two cross members are linked together with a solid plate, unlike the Tuff lift that just has 2 cross bars/tubes. The plate I think will provide the greater structural integrity along with being a nice sliding point. From looking at pictures of the two kits the RCD crossmembers look tougher than the setup Tuff uses.

The RCD kit comes with Front and rear shocks, the tuff lift only comes with new rears. the RCD lift also has some nice front end links for stability which the Tuff lift doesn't have. From the photos of the two kits the spindles on the RCD lift look alot more like the stock spindles, just taller which may provide for some differences in tire/wheel selection. The Tuff spindles look different from stock. The RCD lift also comes with a new front anti-sway bar, the Tuff lift doesn't.

That probably isn't $1,000 in differences but from what I can see from just photos the RCD lift kit looks better to me.

I think alot of it will come down to preference too, the buyer will need to make his/her decision as to which kit to buy for what they want to do.

Well, that's not the only thing that determines the lift height. The combination of moving that mounting point, with a totally different spindle/knuckle than stock, and the new coil-overs, will give a lift of 5.5"-6.5". The overall geometry compared to stock will give the lift, corrected steering, and improved ride.i understand that, but i'm specifically asking for the base vertical delta, whereas the number above is a combined total including suspension modifications.

-sean

imdone..thanks for the info..thats good enough to sell me on the RCD..i liked the RCD better anyways..i'm sooo glad a company finally decided to make a sweet big enough lift for the tundra..i emailed companies all over in years past and all they would say is "no, we don't have a lift planned for the tundra"..it really made me mad..cuz its stupid..companies came out with lifts for the titan right away...i think that if a truck has a custom market following where consumers can see custom trucks of a brand name they are considering purchasing helps push them toward getting that truck because they are like "yeah!i'm going to do that to my truck when i get it!" and since there aren't that many *****in custom tundras out on the road or at custom shows it doesn't help sales..basically to make a long story short..lifted tundras on the road will make more and more people buy the truck and realize that toyota is pretty sick..but this is off topic..so no one has to respond to this cuz it doesn't really relate to the RCD lift..just me venting on encouraging people to lift their trucks!!!w/35's of course!!

OK, I've been lagging on checking this post!!

Hopefully I can help answer most of these questions.
First, you WILL need an alignment after the installation. The specs really aren't that different from stock, except the caster value. The required caster will depend on what size tires you use. Generally, it will be a little less than stock to keep a similar amount of trail.

Next, regarding spindles: it isn't that cheap to produce new spindles, but the bulk of the price increase there is the fact that we give you new wheel bearings already pressed into the spindles, which would cost you about 200 bucks a piece from Toyota (I'm pretty sure that's right, but feel free to correct me on that). I don't know what Tuff Country does with theirs, so it may be an irrelevant point.

Also in regards to cost, we do give you new shocks, custom valved for this application, and it definitely will ride better than a kit that uses stock shocks. If you want to compare apples and oranges, like this kit to Camburg or Total Chaos, that's fine, but you have to realize what each is good for. If you want 4-6 inches of lift, while maintaing 4wd capability, maintaining or increasing strength of components, and having the proper ride characteristics for such a lift, then this would be the kit for you. If you want 2-3 inches of lift, and maybe longer travel, than you can do something else. If you want 5 inches of lift and want to spend less money, and get less, than you can get something else. All options are good options to different people, but I am pretty confident that our kits are competitively priced for what you get. What Imdone said about the new sway bar is also a good point. If you run 5-6 inches of lift and big tires, the tendency to induce body roll is much greater, and we provide a custom designed sway bar for this kit. He also mentioned the crossmember support struts, which are tig welded stainless steel. They look good and give added rigidity to the whole front end. We also sell bolt on accessories for this and other kits, like stainless steel or aluminum skidplates, and stainless or black painted light bars. It's all about what you want, and how much $ you have to spend.

You gotta decide what it's worth to you to get what you want. RCD only makes quality kits and not cheap stuff to get your truck in the air.

I am not trying to sell anything, because that's not what I get paid for. But I will give you guys my honest and professional opinion from an engineering staindpoint, because I am a consumer as well, and feel like sharing any reasonable info with customers is good for everyone. :tu:

Also, I just posted some new pictures of the Tundra kit with the ride height adjusted where we want it, and providing 6 inches of lift.

The front shocks on this kit will include two different snap ring grooves for the lower coil mount, so the customer can choose between ~4-4.5 inches of lift or ~6 inches of lift. The only difference is that the 6 in. lift will give about 2-2.5 inches of droop, and the 4-4.5 in. lift will give 4-4.5 in. of droop. We usually go with 2 inches of droop, and that is what this kit was designed for, but we decided to make it adjustable. It is not a super simple adjustment, because you have to take the shock apart, which includes compressing the spring, but it's a good option for the initial installation. The old pictures I posted are of the truck with 4.5 inches of lift. The lift height will vary due to differences in engine/drivetrain/cab configurations which result in different vehicle weights.

Which will come with the kit, the adjustment for 6" or 4.5", can we request that they be set for a certain adj?

Will any instructions be given for changing the height?

Thanks.

Which will come with the kit, the adjustment for 6" or 4.5", can we request that they be set for a certain adj?

Will any instructions be given for changing the height?

Thanks.
Instructions are included as to which groove will give which lift height. The kit will come with one snap ring in each shock, and all the installer has to do is move the snap ring to the desired groove. It's super easy, and explained in the instructions. You would only need to tell the installer, if it isn't yourself, which lift height you want.

By running the 6" on the shocks is there then a higher pre-load on the springs?

Now with the internal spacer, my springs are preloaded and if I hit a pot hole It sounds like the truck is going to explode from the wheel drooping really fast.

Will this effect remain by running the 6" height due to increased preload of the coil spring?

Thanks.

By running the 6" on the shocks is there then a higher pre-load on the springs?

Now with the internal spacer, my springs are preloaded and if I hit a pot hole It sounds like the truck is going to explode from the wheel drooping really fast.

Will this effect remain by running the 6" height due to increased preload of the coil spring?

Thanks.
Actually, the 6 inch lift height uses about the same preload as stock, because the shocks were designed for that. The 4-4.5 height is slightly less preload than stock.

Instructions are included as to which groove will give which lift height. The kit will come with one snap ring in each shock, and all the installer has to do is move the snap ring to the desired groove. It's super easy, and explained in the instructions. You would only need to tell the installer, if it isn't yourself, which lift height you want.

So are you giving a 3" or 4" block for the rear. If people are going from 4.5" to 6" are you giving them the option to raise the back with the front more? Or is the rear sitting higher if you go with the 4.5"..

Just asking

Chad

If you check for other RCD kits around the same height they are around the same cost. This one is the most expensive that I have seen.

The RCD kit should provide a better ride than the Tuff country lift. I also like the fact that there is no front spacer with this kit and that the two cross members are linked together with a solid plate, unlike the Tuff lift that just has 2 cross bars/tubes. The plate I think will provide the greater structural integrity along with being a nice sliding point. From looking at pictures of the two kits the RCD crossmembers look tougher than the setup Tuff uses.

The RCD kit comes with Front and rear shocks, the tuff lift only comes with new rears. the RCD lift also has some nice front end links for stability which the Tuff lift doesn't have. From the photos of the two kits the spindles on the RCD lift look alot more like the stock spindles, just taller which may provide for some differences in tire/wheel selection. The Tuff spindles look different from stock. The RCD lift also comes with a new front anti-sway bar, the Tuff lift doesn't.

That probably isn't $1,000 in differences but from what I can see from just photos the RCD lift kit looks better to me.

I think alot of it will come down to preference too, the buyer will need to make his/her decision as to which kit to buy for what they want to do.

KLAUD, thanks for the additional information. I just want to make sure that I know why I'm purchasing the kit and if it is the right kit for me.

Because of the trucks stance at stock height the front should be lifted 6" and the rear should be 4" therefore if you use the 4.5" height in the front the rear should be sitting higher than the front. At 6" in the front the truck should be level.




So are you giving a 3" or 4" block for the rear. If people are going from 4.5" to 6" are you giving them the option to raise the back with the front more? Or is the rear sitting higher if you go with the 4.5"..

Just asking

Chad

Just to make sure this is clear, you quoted my post not Klaud's. Klaud did comment partially on what I said but my post is only by what I have seen and his is relating to what he knows about the kit being the person working on the kit.


KLAUD, thanks for the additional information. I just want to make sure that I know why I'm purchasing the kit and if it is the right kit for me.

The block that's included is a 4" block, which will level it for the 6" kit, because I'm sure you all know they sit lower in the front from the factory. If you want less than 4 in the rear (say 2" maybe) you'd have to get a different block and u-bolts. We might offer that as an additional package, but I'm not sure if we'll package two different versions of the rear kit, because it's all packaged together. You can see in the older pictures of the grey Tundra what the 4.5 inches in front looked like with 4 in the rear. It's a little squatty, but some people may want that. As soon as you put anything in the bed, it'll level right out.

My Tundra was very "stink-bugged" stock so with about 6.5" lift up front and a 3" block in the rear it leveled very nicely. It might be just a tad higher in the front. I've never really checked it for level since I really like the way it sits now. I don't haul very heavy stuff so it's never a problem. Just for info...

roughly 4" cradle plus roughly 2" adjustable coilovers = roughly 4" to 6.5" of lift. so essentially the subframe is similar in height to "other" drop bracket kits, but rcd includes the coilovers as well, resulting in a setup similar to tundra thunder's truck back in the day (35s, roughly 6" lift using the "other" drop bracket kit and a set of teamwest saws). that's why i was asking about the cradle delta Z dimension.

you guys worrying about price, dont sweat it. youre getting a great deal here for several reasons. first, it's a much sturdier kit than past kits, which is important if youre going to wheel the truck. second, they did all the hard stuff for you. third, by combining the parts (~4" drop bracket lift AND ~2" adjustable coilovers), you can buy the whole thing for less money. the other option would be the "other" 4" drop bracket and then find your own coilovers, which means either using stock and a 4" external spacer or dropping close to a grand on a set of adjustable coilovers of the correct length--you'll be spending more for similar overall quality. remember this is a complete kit, all the hard work's been done for you.

it sounds like a good deal, cant wait to see it on some trucks.

-sean

500 posts means it's time for a new thread...

HERE (http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/showthread.php?p=280387) you go, enjoy.

This thread is "stuck" so everyone can easily find it. It'll be unstuck later, once the new thread picks up momentum.

-Sean