: Truck bed scratches nightman 08-01-2005, 11:40 AM Ive been hauling many loads of stones & stone dust for a yard project, & now have a scrached up bed which looks white on the surface. My previous 97 Tacoma had a bed liner that got scratched but never looked white on the surface. Is there a product made to renew the appearance?? goldmember 08-01-2005, 11:46 AM I'm wondering the same thing...mine has scratches in it too. It doesn't really bother me it is a truck but if I could get rid of them I would. If I can't and it really does start to bug me, I'll just get a cover. Out of sight out of mind. :D Prc329 08-01-2005, 12:25 PM Same here, I noticed scratches when I recently hauled some brick. palomino 08-01-2005, 12:53 PM two words...bed mat
i have the factory bed mat. works great as long as you don't want things to slide. nothing moves on the thing. and it's a good thickness.
a possible solution if the bed scratches bother you JaredPointer 08-01-2005, 01:18 PM two words...bed mat
i have the factory bed mat. works great as long as you don't want things to slide. nothing moves on the thing. and it's a good thickness.
a possible solution if the bed scratches bother you
Seconded. goldmember 08-01-2005, 01:30 PM Seconded.
I've got a bed mat, but I remove it when i'm hauling dirt and rock. Plus the sides of my bed have scratches too. croussel 08-01-2005, 01:32 PM in the side walls.
Just from hauling heavy metal objects, like shovels and what not.
It's a pain having to baby that plastic.
Anybody with a solution to cleaning up the scratches,
or protecting the side walls... clue me in. TACODOC 08-01-2005, 03:41 PM Try some Black Magic tire black or ??? :confused: ABTRD 08-01-2005, 04:14 PM Try some Black Magic tire black or ??? :confused:
i was thinking the same thing, but use Son of a Gun, the yellow aerosol can one. toyotadude04 08-01-2005, 04:45 PM You could also try Trim Shine by Stoner, I use it all of the time for my black fender flares on my '01 - works great! :tu: Prc329 08-01-2005, 05:05 PM I have the factory bed mat, its the side walls that got scratched. nightman 08-01-2005, 05:13 PM Thanks for those suggestions but thought those vinyl/rubber protectants would leave a slippery surface to walk on. MOREPOWER 08-01-2005, 08:54 PM used motor oil mixed with sand and lightly brushd on looks like new and wont slip stinks like shnit tho, :clown: just kidding i want a taco but that bed kills it for me TACODOC 08-02-2005, 08:19 AM You could also try Trim Shine by Stoner, I use it all of the time for my black fender flares on my '01 - works great! :tu:
Yeah, Stoner makes good stuff, they have the best window cleaner I've ever used. Must be the name ;) Two4X4 08-02-2005, 10:18 AM Line-X spray on bedliner, color matched. goldmember 08-02-2005, 10:50 AM will the line x stick to the plastic? nightman 08-02-2005, 11:43 AM http://www.justonce.com/
Has anyone tried this?? student's tundra 08-02-2005, 11:46 AM Linex, seconded.
I have some small scratches in my bed with the addition of a dent in my wheel tub. Dope, yeah you guessed it. It does involve a shovel. Just be aware if your truck sits outside and gets beaten by the sun that it very well could fade after some time. :ts: TundrastruckDave 08-02-2005, 01:22 PM For those of you who are suggesting that (nightman) spray LINE-X over his composite bed, I recommend that you read THIS THREAD (http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42929)...ASAP!!!
TS.com member (123Gone) IS a LINE-X dealer and has been one, for quite a few years. BOTTOM LINE IS... HE KNOWS HIS PRODUCT! ;):tu:
Having said that, (123Gone) has already been "asked" this question, with regard to spraying LINE-X on the new '05 Tacoma's composite bed, so he's been waiting for an opportunity to "TRY" this, on a piece of the composite bed material. The above thread is his test results AND his RECOMMENDATION, with regard to using LINE-X on the Tacoma's composite bed!!!!
Short and sweet (nightman)... DON'T DO IT!!! Two4X4 08-03-2005, 01:16 AM Those are interesting results and not to be ignored but it hardly represents an exhaustive study or end all study. The fact is that industrial coatings similar to Line-X, Rhino, and including those are routinely used on a variety of substrates.
When it was applied to both of my trucks extensive "roughing" of the surface was done and then prepping. It may in fact in the end not be the answer but my bet is that an adhesion promoter or different prep will be required to provide the adhesion Line-X customers have gotten spoiled with.
I have seen it on fiberglass, metal, plastic, aluminum, steel, painted, primed, I have seen it on entire vehicles, as an interior coating, as an underliner, as a rock chip barrier on lowers etc.
When paint is applied to composites and plastics adhesion promoters, flex agents etc are routinely required, perhaps this will be the case here.
I spoke with a Toyota service manager and he said the beds are holding up excellent and if one needs to be replaced it is not a huge deal.
Loading rocks, bricks, gravel into any truck bed, composite, plastic or steel even with Line-X, is going to damage it unless you provide some barrier like a tarp or such as that. TacomaOffRoadGrl 08-03-2005, 04:54 AM The new Tacoma is not the first truck with a composite bed. I find it hard to believe that Line-X has never been applied to a composite before. I'm sure the prep work might be a little more but I would be thoroughly surprised if it in fact can't be done at all. That is not intended by any means to discredit 123Gone in any way. Interesting to say the least. TundrastruckDave 08-03-2005, 07:10 AM I CERTAINLY don't want to take this thread WAY off on a tangent here, but the bottom line is... the new Tacoma's bed was (theoretically) at least, designed to replace the "need" for having to use a spray-in bedliner, to begin with. If that IS, in fact the case, then I ask "WHY" you would even want to consider spraying one of these composite beds, in the first place?! :confused:
It leads one (read as: a potential buyer) to believe, that something may not (REMEMBER HERE FOLKS... I SAID "MAY" NOT) ;) be quite right with this new bed material, IF (in fact) it still may require the "possible" need for a spray-in bedliner as well!
Please remember here folks, (123Gone) DID say...
Initial results looked good. It seemed to stick rather well. Next, I took a hammer and chisel and tried to pry away the LINE-X from the composite. I would call it medium to medium-high adhesiveness, but not strong enough for a truck bed in my opinion. A primer would be in order, but you know, is it really worth the trouble? Point being... I would certainly think, that this "extra" step or two involved in the spray-in bedliner process, would cause any potential Tacoma owner who "chose" to have this done to his/her truck, to incure quite a bit more expense in having a spray-in bedliner put on a composite bed... if in fact... a LINE-X dealer would even be willing to do it in the first place!! My guess is... with regard to (123Gone's) initial results, he probably would have some reservations about even doing it in the first place, PLUS (even if he would) he'd probably also have more reservations in offering a full LINE-X warranty as well. But then again... I can't answer for (123Gone). ;) :D
IMHO, if I owned an '05 Tacoma, I wouldn't put a spray-in bedliner overtop the composite bed! The bed mat however, does sound like a great alternative. ;) :tu: 123Gone 08-03-2005, 07:22 AM I've sprayed LINE-X on many types of surfaces, some primed, most not. I have a pretty good idea what works well and what doesn't. Surface preparation is absolutely THE most important aspect of the job.
Can LINE-X be sprayed on the Tacoma's composite bed? Yes, it absolutely can. Does it stick? Yes, it absolutely does. Does it stick well enough in order for the truck bed to be used like a truck bed? Subjective, and my experience tells me that the adhesion (without any type of primer) is NOT good enough for a truck bed. Is there a primer available that will enhance the adhesion properties? I don't know, please let me know if you discover one. Can you find a LINE-X dealer that will spray LINE-X in a Tacoma? Most likely, but at this point, I certainly will not.
Switching gears: To freshen up that composite bed, try Just Once. We like it because it does not contain any silicone or oils (so it's not slippery), it contains a UV protectorant, and it last a fairly long time. Anyone in the Fort Worth area who wants to try it, let me know, I've got some we can try on your truck bed for free. I use Just Once on the interior of my Corvette. j4x4ar3 08-03-2005, 07:32 AM I agree with Dave on this one. I wouldn't want to "waste" my cash on a spray in when the composite bed was designed to replace the need for spray. I've questioned many times reports and photos of cracks, scratches, etc and wondered how they were done. I've tossed some pretty heavy stuff in my bed with no problems at all (I do have the bed mat though.. best investment ever). I've only put 1 scratch in my bed though and it was a stupid mistake. I had a 75lb weight distribution reciever hitch sitting in my bed after disconnecting from my trailer. Drove to the end of my court to turn around and park in the driveway and well flipped the U a little to hard. Flung the hitch hard against the side of the bed and put a minor 2" long 1/8" wide scratch in the bed. Didn't crack or gouge though. I was ticked I did that but after looking at it I'm glad it wasn't steel or I would have been looking for touch up paint to keep the bed from rusting. Now if 123Gone is correct in the "medium" adhesiveness of the spray in stuff then my same stuipid mistake would have taken the liner right off the side of the bed on impact. I would question a company though that would spray a liner on "plastic" when the product was designed to adhear to clean metal and say that it would hold up just as well. 123Gone 08-03-2005, 07:54 AM An additional comment: LINE-X is not just for truck beds. It's been sprayed: In prison showers, on the Texas Border Patrol houses, inside grain storage containers, garage floors, horse trailers, military equipment and vehicles, fire trucks (including inside the water tank), commercial pylon signs, on and on. Check out LINE-X's industrial site: http://www.line-xicd.com/projects.shtml j4x4ar3 08-03-2005, 08:12 AM An additional comment: LINE-X is not just for truck beds. It's been sprayed: In prison showers, on the Texas Border Patrol houses, inside grain storage containers, garage floors, horse trailers, military equipment and vehicles, fire trucks (including inside the water tank), commercial pylon signs, on and on. Check out LINE-X's industrial site: http://www.line-xicd.com/projects.shtml
Not the same 123Gone... from the web site in your link:
"LINE-X Industrial Coatings is an independent division of LINE-X and is not part of or applied by the LINE-X truck bed liner franchise network. A LINE-X franchisee is only permitted to apply industrial coatings with written permission by LINE-X Corporate. For more information on the LINE-X Industrial Coatings division, please call LINE-X Corporate at 800-831-3232 or 714-850-1662."
The stuff for the truck beds is not the same material as their industrial line. 123Gone 08-03-2005, 08:47 AM You are incorrect, sir. The LINE-X product XS-100 is used in industrial applications as well as truck beds. There are no industrial applicators separate from the LINE-X franchised operators, like me. There ARE special applications that only corporate handles, such as the use of Paxcon (XS-350) used at the US Pentagon and in nuclear submarines. (But, other than the military application of Paxcon, any LINE-X dealer can spray Paxcon.) Another example would be if Ford decided to use LINE-X as a "factory" spray-in bedliner, that would be a corporate controlled situation, (which, by the way......could happen!) goldmember 08-03-2005, 09:14 AM I need to snap some pics of my truck bed. It's really not a big deal but the bed mat to me is not the solution. When I'm hauling dirt I'd rather only have to hose out the bed and not the mat, the underside of the mat then the bed. So when it comes to hauling dirt I remove it. Thats just me. I'll have to check out that shine stuff. j4x4ar3 08-03-2005, 09:42 AM You are incorrect, sir. The LINE-X product XS-100 is used in industrial applications as well as truck beds. There are no industrial applicators separate from the LINE-X franchised operators, like me. There ARE special applications that only corporate handles, such as the use of Paxcon (XS-350) used at the US Pentagon and in nuclear submarines. (But, other than the military application of Paxcon, any LINE-X dealer can spray Paxcon.) Another example would be if Ford decided to use LINE-X as a "factory" spray-in bedliner, that would be a corporate controlled situation, (which, by the way......could happen!)
Ok... you're the one that is the franchiser however the examples you provided and the web link you provided was for thieir industrial applications division. The examples on the site are clearly listed under the heading "Commercial Projects & Applications Utilizing LINE-X Industrial Coating" NOT Paxcon but an an industrial version of the LINE-X product. The Paxon coating you referr to is a seperate site http://www.paxcon.com and is not related to the disclaimer listed at the bottom of the link you provided. The disclaimer clearly states that the LINE-X industrial coating applications is a seperate division from the truck liner division. Further on the site it states that there are a variety of different LINE-X branded products with varring hardness factors, tensile strengths, etc.. depending on your application. Once again the site link you provided is for their industrial products not the truck liners. Once again quoted from their site "LINE-X [industrial coatings] .. is not part of or applied by the LINE-X truck bed liner franchise network." The link for the truck bed division is http://www.goline-x.com/ 123Gone 08-03-2005, 11:26 AM Yes, I know what the website states, it states, as you already indicated, "A LINE-X franchisee is only permitted to apply industrial coatings with written permission by LINE-X Corporate." The idea here is that if you go beyond truck beds, there can be other concerns and those concerns may need to be addressed by corporate. Such as the application of a product if the product is going to touch food. You're wanting to believe and prove that the industrial division is an entirely separate network with different chemicals. Sorry, it's just not true.
A LINE-X dealer in Hurst, Texas sprayed Paxcon about two months ago. There a few modifications that have to be made to the equipment, but my point is that any LINE-X dealer can get their hands on ANY of the polyurethane/polyurea coatings and there are several (X-75, X-100, X-152, X-310, X-350). In certain cases, it is required (X-350, Paxcon) and prudent to contact corporate.
Go to the industrial website, click on Locate a Dealer, enter 76116 for the zip code, the first dealer is me. bdstuart 08-03-2005, 12:04 PM I'm not jumping into the Line X debate...
Just Once: Used it for scratches on my bed, and it did very little to "darken" or hide the white scratches. Makes the tailgate look a lot better (I have the bed mat, so it was tail gate and side scratches I had) but did little to actually disguise the scratches. Would I recommend the product--yes--great on the composite but don't expect it to do much for the scratches j4x4ar3 08-03-2005, 12:24 PM Ok for those who have been following the debate this is strait from Line-X corporate. I took 123Gone up on his offer and looked him up out there in Fort Worth, TX then called the 1800 number for Line-X.
According to the product person at LineX:
1. The industrial products are in fact different from the truck bed products
2. The industrial products are too hard and do not have the antiskid properties of the truck bed products. The do however make a very soft compound as well that would be more like a "bed cushon" however none of their industrial products are recomended for truck bed use.
3. The industrial products have very specific uses and the product used should be matched to the specific application.
4. The standard for truck beds is X-100 which is the only product they recomend. I was told twice that other products are not recomended. As well any of the industrial rated products cost 3 times more than the standard truck bed compound.
5. For the 05 Tacoma composite bed they recomend the Line-X extra. Line-X extra works very well on composite beds however it does take extra time and work to make sure it is applied correctly. The Line-X person on the phone shared with me as well that they are currently working on 10 Honda Ridgeline's for Honda Corporate as a demonstration of their products.
For those that would like to call for themselves the number is 1-800-831-3232.
And for those in Fort Worth, TX .... find another dealer. 123Gone 08-03-2005, 12:34 PM I'll be right back. j4x4ar3 08-03-2005, 12:38 PM Who did you speak to at corporate?
Didn't ask his name. Lady that answered the phone told me she knew exactly who I should talk to then transferred me. 123Gone 08-03-2005, 01:44 PM You talked to Charlie, VP of Sales, in charge of selling multiple franchises, he is NOT a chemical or application expert. You got him because you called during the lunch hour. (They're in California)
Repy to your points:
1. Yes, I already said that (second page, last post). The industrial products include, XS-75, XS-152, XS-310, XS-350, (there's even a fireproof verson of XS-350). There are roughly 20 more, some are foams and some require special equipment. You made no point here.
2. Well, some are too hard for truck beds, like X-350, which is very hard because it contains more polyurea than polyurethane. Again, you made no point.
3. Yes, I agree, that's why they are several products to choose from.
4. Yes, XS-100 is for truck beds. Tagging XS-100 as for trucks ONLY is incorrect. What's your point?
5. LINE-X Xtra is an option. It is applied like a topcoat but penetrates the entire XS-100 product. The Ridgeline: Honda has ALREADY had problems with their composite material. LINE-X and Honda are experimenting with XS-100 with Xtra on the composite. Charlie states they may have used a primer, which I mentioned earlier that a primer would definately be called for.
So, can I spray industrial products? Darn sure can if I have the equipment, which I do for the most commonly used. Can LINE-X be sprayed on composite? Yea, but I suggest some sort of primer for better adhesion.
You made the comment, "And for those in Fort Worth, TX .... find another dealer." I don't appreciate your personal attack. Why would you say something like that? Your comment certainly degrades the forum's atmosphere when you start with that unwarranted BS. j4x4ar3 08-03-2005, 02:09 PM You made the comment, "And for those in Fort Worth, TX .... find another dealer." I don't appreciate your personal attack. Why would you say something like that? Your comment certainly degrades the forum's atmosphere when you start with that unwarranted BS.
Your post this morning warrented the "attack" as the discussion was about using the Line-X truck bed liner on the Tacoma composite bed. You went on to quote how Line-X was used in various asundry of industrial applications and linked to the industrial Line-X site. Shortly afterwards I pointed out that the reference you were placing online was related to industrial products and did not apply to the discussion of truck bed applications as they were not only different divisions of Line-X but also different compounds. From there you went on to "attack" me by stating that I was incorrect in pointing out something that was quoted from a corporate site and later verified by calling their 1-800 number. They are different products under the same Line-X brand name and they are made of different compounds and have very different uses between industrial and consumer rated uses. Personally I would not recomend anyone visit a shop that didn't acknowledge that difference and attempted to show how great a product was by using misleading information such as what you posted. No doubt the Line-X product is a great product but only when used properly and applied as recomended. When I called I was told not to use any of the other products not only because of price but because of the differences in the compounds used. From the way I read your posts you're stating differently... therefore I would not take advise from your particular shop as it conflicts with what the manufacture states. That's the reason for my final line in my post.
As well I did not tag X100 as trucks only.. read my post again... I stated that X100 was the only product that they recomended for the truck beds and as well they recomended the Line-X Extra application on the composite. Not the X-75 or X-300 or X whatever but the 100 was the only recomended one. Whether X-100 could be used elsewhere was not debated or disputed. 123Gone 08-03-2005, 03:18 PM You said I don't know my product(s). Seriously, that's rather comical. Wouldn't that comment be rather silly coming from a person who doesn't know anything about LINE-X other than from a 2 minute phone call and reading an internet site? Do you know anything about the LINE-X products? Do you know how the product is applied? Are you familiar with the chemistry of polyurethanes? Do you know who owns LINE-X? Do you know the history of LINE-X?
Keep in mind that LINE-X dealers go through formal training which is good enough to get you spraying truck beds. There are some dealers, including myself, that are willing and able to take it a step further and learn everything they can get there hands on regarding the industry. Admittedly, my business background (business degree, CPA) and my science background (also a biology degree with a minor in chemistry) definately allows me to understand what most dealers will never understand.
OK, I say you have miscontrued the information; both the products and the company structure. Or, perhaps you are intentionally causing this friction, some people thrive on it. Or, perhaps you do understand, but don't want to publically lose the "debate". Hard to say.
Everything I have mentioned here is accurate and verifiable and I'll continue to help those here who have questions regarding LINE-X or other spray-on products.
Here's a sample list of LINE-X applications, all available through your local LINE-X dealer:
Construction; decks, foundations, retaining walls, floors, roofs.
Marine applications; boat hulls, boat decks, marine ramps, cargo holds.
Farming; silos, feed containers, storage tanks, etc.
Trailers; boats, horses, personal watercraft, work trailers, etc.
Industrial; secondary containment, water tanks, floors, etc..
General Automotive; Jeep floorboards, Van interiors, wheel well undercoating, motorcycle fenders (underside), body panels as rock guard protection, etc.
RV Trailers and Motorhomes; RV roofs (insulation & water protection), nose masks on trailers and motorhomes, interior floors of "toy house" type trailers, etc.
Sound system applications; (speaker boxes, vehicle and truck interiors, sound rooms)
Outdoor ponds, dog runs/kennels, etc.
Playground equipment.
and the list goes on... j4x4ar3 08-03-2005, 03:38 PM If you consider providing misleading information not knowing your products then if the shoe fits.....
My point once again... the question was asked here on the forum about truck bed applications (specifically the composite bed) and you pointed to the industrial application page which is a different product, more expensive and is not recomended for use on truck bed applications. So if I walk into your shop are you going to hand me a brochure for industrial applications and their industrial line of products? I would hope not. The latest information you just posted is more correct and was copied and pasted from a different site that it more taylored to the truck bed applications.
I do not need to be a chemist and I do not need to know how the product is applied in order to see conflicting information. I am more inclined to go with the recomendation directly from the maker of a product than a dealer selling a product.
By the way did you know Coca Cola can clean rust off off chrome bumpers. Mythbusters showed that the "urban legend" was true to a point but should I be using soda to clean my chrome? Yes it's possible but should it be done. In the case of Line-X you're saying yes you can do it with any of the Line-X products but the manufacture says they don't recommend it with anything other than the X100 compound. Case and point... just because you can doesn't mean you should. As a dealer I would hope that you would not tell your customers something that the manufacture does not recommend.
End of debate for me... let others decide and make the calls on their own. Maybe with enough calls to Line-X they could post something on their site to make it clear to everyone. 123Gone 08-03-2005, 07:32 PM Wrong again my friend. You need to read throught the posts again. My very first post, which is on page two, is my answer to the composite bed question. It does NOT reference any industrial applications or website. Here it is again,"I've sprayed LINE-X on many types of surfaces, some primed, most not. I have a pretty good idea what works well and what doesn't. Surface preparation is absolutely THE most important aspect of the job.
Can LINE-X be sprayed on the Tacoma's composite bed? Yes, it absolutely can. Does it stick? Yes, it absolutely does. Does it stick well enough in order for the truck bed to be used like a truck bed? Subjective, and my experience tells me that the adhesion (without any type of primer) is NOT good enough for a truck bed. Is there a primer available that will enhance the adhesion properties? I don't know, please let me know if you discover one. Can you find a LINE-X dealer that will spray LINE-X in a Tacoma? Most likely, but at this point, I certainly will not."
Switching gears: To freshen up that composite bed, try Just Once. We like it because it does not contain any silicone or oils (so it's not slippery), it contains a UV protectorant, and it last a fairly long time. Anyone in the Fort Worth area who wants to try it, let me know, I've got some we can try on your truck bed for free. I use Just Once on the interior of my Corvette."
Then, you had a post that included this sentence, "I would question a company though that would spray a liner on "plastic" when the product was designed to adhear to clean metal and say that it would hold up just as well."
Then, I posted this,"An additional comment: LINE-X is not just for truck beds. It's been sprayed: In prison showers, on the Texas Border Patrol houses, inside grain storage containers, garage floors, horse trailers, military equipment and vehicles, fire trucks (including inside the water tank), commercial pylon signs, on and on. Check out LINE-X's industrial site: http://www.line-xicd.com/projects.shtml"
This is where you got bent out of shape. You think XS-100, which is used in truck beds is only for truck beds and that's all franchised dealers can spray or do. You are so wrong, you just don't know what your talking about. XS-100 was sprayed in those prison showers and Texas Border Patrol houses by a franchised LINE-X dealer in OK City. His franchise agreement is no different than mine. He has a pretty cool mobile unit and drove it to Duncanville, Texas where he sprayed the components for the Texas Border Patrol. I've sprayed XS-100 inside large water tanks. Never, did I ever say that I would or would recommend anything other than XS-100 in a truck bed, including a composite bed. If you think I did, cut and paste it. LINE-X can be sprayed on wood, concrete, metal, plastic, and rubber. There are LINE-X primers available for certain applications. XS-100 is not just for truck beds. If you don't believe me, give 'ole Charlie a call. j4x4ar3 08-03-2005, 08:27 PM Ok this is my absolutely last post in this thread.... it is you that needs to read some things twice.
First of all I did not say that X100 was only for truck beds. I've said twice now that X100 is the only recomended product for use on the truck beds. The other products are specific to industrial uses and in most cases are too hard for truck bed use. As well Line-X stated on the phone to me that they do not contain the antiskid ingredients included in their product designed for truck bed use. They only really have one product for trucks. Whether that same product has some other uses was not debated.
I also didn't get "bent out of shape" on your origional post. I only pointed out that the references you used (fire trucks, tanker trucks, ships, etc...) were related to the industrial product web site and in no way was related to the truck bed product which has been verified as different. In my opinion that example and that link had nothing to do with the product used on truck beds and only really served to say that Line-X as a whole makes durable products. However the two are not related although there may be some crossover.
I also did not question the validity of your particular license agreement with Line-X and I have no idea why you went off on that tangent. I only stated that the products and applications were different. Quoting the entire web disclaimer or as they stated IMPORTANT NOTE was only keeping it in context instead of editing out items.
Once again... the discussion was about truck bed liner. The example you posted would be like one of your customers asking about bed liners and you handing them the brochure for the industrial applications which would be out of context and would not show the product application for consumer level pickup trucks. That's all I pointed out in my very first post before the war began.
At this point the mods should probably close this thread and let the masses make their own decisions. The vote is out... others can take this debate or leave it. As for me... I'm done. 123Gone 08-04-2005, 06:52 AM Good morning (day 2).
Allow me to summarize my position. You can take it or leave it.
Composite bed: I don't think the XS-100 product, which is the product used for truck bedliners, provides good enough adhesion to the composite. Perhaps a primer would be in order.
LINE-X Products: LINE-X franchisors have access to several LINE-X products, they include but are not limited to XS-75, XS-100, XS-152, XS-310, XS-350. The main differences between these products is the percent blend of polyurethane and polyurea. There are other differences, such as that XS-100 contains more UV stablizers and can accept various pigments. A variety of products is available to LINE-X dealers so that a proper product can be selected for a particular use. The most widely used product, XS-100, can be sprayed on practically anything, such as concrete, wood, metal, rubber, and plastic. (It cannot be sprayed on chrome.) Any of these products can be purchased at any time by franchisors without written permission from LINE-X corporate. (With one exception: XS-350 for military applications) In addition to the products listed, there are approximately twenty more products that exist. These products (such as elastomer foams) require different equipment and are for specialized applications. Typically, LINE-X franchised dealers do not have the equipment for these products and LINE-X's industrial division should be contacted for more information.
LINE-X Franchised Dealers: Dealers are not limited to spraying only truck beds. They are free to spray any of the (listed) products as applicable. Hence, the LINE-X dealer locater link on the LINE-X industrial website. (Notice below this link is another link for those only interested in truck bedliners).
Let me know if you have any questions! goldmember 08-04-2005, 06:58 AM Checking out my bed last night (not the one I sleep in) and I relized the scratched are more like gouges and rough feeling at that. Leading me to believe you could really rough up the plastic for line-x. I would think linex would stick better to porous material as opposed to a metal? Just thinking out loud. TundrastruckDave 08-04-2005, 07:49 AM Gooooood Morning Vietnam! (day 2)
At this point the mods should probably close this thread and let the masses make their own decisions. The vote is out... others can take this debate or leave it. As for me... I'm done.
Well, AS one of the Tacoma Forum Moderators, I'll step in here.
First and foremost, I must THANK BOTH OF YOU gentelmen, for AT LEAST being civil with this debate. It's quite refreshing actually, to see that intead of my having to monitor foul language and the like. So again... THANK YOU.
To further add a little insight into this thread, it was "I", who PM'ed (123Gone) and "asked" for his help in this thread. Since he has... ACTUALLY TRIED SPRAYING LINE-X ON A PIECE OF TACOMA COMPOSITE BED... IMHO... THAT BASICALLY, MAKES HIM ALL THE MORE QUALIFIED, TO HELP TS.COM MEMBER (NIGHTMAN) WITH THIS ISSUE THAN SAY... A LINE-X SALES REP! (i.e. Charlie ;)) FIELD TESTING is how most companys compile information for their sales staff as well as, their websites. Fact is, (123Gone) did exactly what I had hoped he would do and... MORE IMPORTANTLY... hopefully, help (nightman) as well as ANY other TS.com member, who is considering doing this to their Tacoma's bed, so they KNOW ALL THE FACTS... BEFORE... THEY "POSSIBLY" MAKE A VERY COSTLY MISTAKE!!!
So, if ANYONE wishes to place blame here, I'll be happy to accept it, in my attempt to help (nightman and others) to... KNOW THE FACTS... from someone who has actually TRIED using a spray-in bedliner on a composite bed. And, who is also WILLING to offer his honest opinion and results, regarding this issue, instead of just trying to make a dollar off his product. ;):tu:
As I said in my VERY first post in this thread...
IMHO, if I owned an '05 Tacoma, I wouldn't put a spray-in bedliner overtop the composite bed! ;) :tu:
Thank you (123Gone)! ;):tu: nightman 08-04-2005, 09:05 AM Gooooood Morning Vietnam! (day 2)
Well, AS one of the Tacoma Forum Moderators, I'll step in here.
First and foremost, I must THANK BOTH OF YOU gentelmen, for AT LEAST being civil with this debate. It's quite refreshing actually, to see that intead of my having to monitor foul language and the like. So again... THANK YOU.
To further add a little insight into this thread, it was "I", who PM'ed (123Gone) and "asked" for his help in this thread. Since he has... ACTUALLY TRIED SPRAYING LINE-X ON A PIECE OF TACOMA COMPOSITE BED... IMHO... THAT BASICALLY, MAKES HIM ALL THE MORE QUALIFIED, TO HELP TS.COM MEMBER (NIGHTMAN) WITH THIS ISSUE THAN SAY... A LINE-X SALES REP! (i.e. Charlie ;)) FIELD TESTING is how most companys compile information for their sales staff as well as, their websites. Fact is, (123Gone) did exactly what I had hoped he would do and... MORE IMPORTANTLY... hopefully, help (nightman) as well as ANY other TS.com member, who is considering doing this to their Tacoma's bed, so they KNOW ALL THE FACTS... BEFORE... THEY "POSSIBLY" MAKE A VERY COSTLY MISTAKE!!!
So, if ANYONE wishes to place blame here, I'll be happy to accept it, in my attempt to help (nightman and others) to... KNOW THE FACTS... from someone who has actually TRIED using a spray-in bedliner on a composite bed. And, who is also WILLING to offer his honest opinion and results, regarding this issue, instead of just trying to make a dollar off his product. ;):tu:
As I said in my VERY first post in this thread...
Thank you (123Gone)! ;):tu:
A BIG THANK YOU !!! You all put a lot of time into this subject & again thank you for all your efforts. My intentions was to simply refresh the surface of the bed with a cleaner/protectant. I still like the idea of the composite bed where a layer of material is not needed for protection from scratches that would result in a rusted out bed. I don't even care about the scratches or light scarring that occur over time. I think some product that would simply add some color & sheen with being slip resistant would fit the need of the composite bed. I am considering the Just Once product but as BDSTUART mentioned it does not darken the white. I thought I would try maybe adding some liquid black shoe polish to the Just once on a small section & see how it holds up over time. :rolleyes: EngineerBoo 08-05-2005, 11:32 PM Wow...this thread is better than "Fear Factor!" (Well, almost...just have to get you fellows to drink some blended up pig brains mixed with used oil or something!)
Anyway, I've scratched the CRAP out of my bed and intend to use it in the future...hauling crap to and from my house. (No more paying a truck driver $60 to haul $12 worth of gravel to my house, anymore!)
My solution to the unsightly scratches? I have a SnugTop Tonneau cover I keep on when not hauling stuff.
:D
Git R Done!
Boo
2005 Tacoma Access Cab, Silver Streak Mica, TRD-Off Road #2, DeeZee steps, SnugTop Tonneau Cover | |