Proposed Group Buy: Hellwig Anti-Sway Bar [Archive] - Toyota Tundra Forums : Tundra Solutions Forum

Hobbes

08-11-2005, 05:51 AM

This poll is for a group buy for the Hellwig anti-sway bar. Many TSers have voted this mod as their best aftermarket item that they have added to their Tundra, especially for the price. If you are unfamiliar with this product, please see Hellwig's site (http://www.hellwigproducts.com/antiswaybars/index.html) or read through the following threads: the Q&A thread (http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32873&highlight=hellwig), another one (http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22369&highlight=hellwig), and recent experiences (http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40880&highlight=hellwig). There are many more threads about this product that you can find by doing a SEARCH.

This group buy is for TS Subscribers only (registered users please subscribe and begin enjoying the many benefits of TS.com).

The details for the anti-sway bar are as follows:
Vendor: Hellwig Products
Part Number: 7641 (1 1/8" diameter, steel, black, Tundra anti-sway bar kit)
Price: $150 + shipping via UPS Ground (bulk item rate applies)
Delivery Time: 3-4 days, most likely less since this is an off-the-shelf item, plus UPS's delivery time

There is not a minimum quantity required to get the discount but there are not any additional price breaks for large quantity orders either. I know many on this site ordered this product from Summit Racing, but they are not willing to participate in a group buy (I contacted 5 companies in total and Hellwig is offering the best deal).

If you'd like to participate, please vote Yes before 8/21.

Jaketparker

08-11-2005, 08:57 AM

Im in, any idea how bad im gonna get screwed on shipping to Alaska?? They don't send ups ground up here, only fedex........

Hobbes

08-11-2005, 12:03 PM

Im in, any idea how bad im gonna get screwed on shipping to Alaska?? They don't send ups ground up here, only fedex........

I talked to Nancy at Hellwig and she said UPS 2nd day air would be $91. The only other option would be parcel post (which I believe is through normal US Postal Service) would be about $20, but it will take about 2 weeks to get to you. She didn't mention FedEx as an option. Would either of these work for you?

I lived in Anchorage for 7 years, so I feel your pain concerning shipping costs.

Johnny Law

08-11-2005, 02:35 PM

I just checked out Hellwig's website. It says that the 2005 Tacoma swaybars will be "coming soon", figures. Looks like I can't participate.

Jaketparker

08-11-2005, 03:15 PM

Parcel post will be fine. Just wanted to make sure UPS wasnt the only option. I really dont feel like paying over half the price of the sway bar in shipping charges. So you can still count me in. over and out

hirschg

08-11-2005, 03:15 PM

MOREPOWER

08-11-2005, 03:51 PM

dam i just purchased my hellwig from summit racing $183 shiped

kwimartin

08-11-2005, 08:59 PM

I am leaving the country for 2 weeks on 24th august, when will this purchase go through

ALL MOTA

08-11-2005, 10:05 PM

Any clue as to how much shipping would be to Los Angeles, zip 91402?

triggs75

08-11-2005, 10:55 PM

Price: $150 + shipping via UPS Ground (bulk item rate applies)
Delivery Time: 3-4 days, most likely less since this is an off-the-shelf item, plus UPS's delivery time

Just like the question above mine. I see it says bulk rate applies. Do we know how much the bulk rate is? That could jump the price right up to what a normal purchase would be through summit?

I am in if the shipping is the right price to los angeles.

Chad

kbl41001

08-12-2005, 05:35 AM

I'm in 150.00 is a good price, plus shipping is still cheaper than many other sites i've checked.
Kevin

pistolpete

08-12-2005, 07:54 AM

Hobbes,

There's been some discussion in the TACOMA forum about the Hellwig and the possibility of quick disconnects.....is Hellwig offering anything like this in their deal??? If so you may draw a few more takers....could you please check it out and let us know...I'm in no matter what. Thanks

Hobbes

08-12-2005, 10:49 AM

I am leaving the country for 2 weeks on 24th august, when will this purchase go through

Due to forum rules, this poll must remain open for 10 days which brings us to 8/21. Since we've already had enough responses, you will have 7 days to place your order with Hellwig (8/22 - 8/29). You should then receive the items within 3-7 days after that (my estimate). Could you have it delivered to a friend and pick it up from them when you return? Just a thought.

Any clue as to how much shipping would be to Los Angeles, zip 91402?

I finally figured UPS' website out...I think. Hellwig is located between Fresno and Bakersfield, CA. Their zip code is 93292. If I am doing this correctly, Los Angeles is considered Zone 2 and the shipping cost will be $9.98. Their is no where on their charts that indicate an additional charge for oversized items, which the bar will be. So it may be slightly more than that. You can look up your zone here (http://www.ups.com/media/us/currentrates/zone-txt/932.txt) under the ground column based on the first three digits of your zip code and then check the rate here (http://www.ups.com/media/us/currentrates/rate-pdf/gndres.pdf) based on your zone and the shipping weight of 36 lbs. The size of the package is 46x29x3 inches. When you enter this info directly into their cost estimator, they list all of the air freights but not the ground rate :td:. Worst case (excluding AK and HI) is $41 shipping to New York. She was going to give me a cost that included shipping, but realized she would be screwing over the Californians and benefitting the east coast so she left shipping out of the price.

Hobbes,

There's been some discussion in the TACOMA forum about the Hellwig and the possibility of quick disconnects.....is Hellwig offering anything like this in their deal??? If so you may draw a few more takers....could you please check it out and let us know...I'm in no matter what. Thanks

Nancy said that Hellwig looked into making a quick disconnect set but then went to SEMA and found that there are many other companies that offer this product. Apparently they had come up with a design and she is checking to see if they would be willing to make some and sell them to those who want them. Overall, they decided not to offer them directly since the market is saturated with quick disconnect products. She is also going to look up a few companies that do make them and that will fit the Tundra kit and I will relay the contact information. So please hold on while she gets me the details. I haven't read these other threads but she definitely believes that they are out there if you guys have been having a hard time locating them.

So many questions :D! Keep them coming and I will do my best to provide timely answers.

student's tundra

08-12-2005, 10:59 AM

student's tundra

08-12-2005, 11:01 AM

P07r0457

08-12-2005, 02:33 PM

is this a rear bar?

can we get a link to install instructions so we know what we're getting into?

triggs75

08-12-2005, 02:38 PM

is this a rear bar?

can we get a link to install instructions so we know what we're getting into?

There is one in the "Member Modifications, Installations & "How-To's" forum

Here (http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26604)

P07r0457

08-12-2005, 02:53 PM

There is one in the "Member Modifications, Installations & "How-To's" forum

Here (http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26604)
:ts: :tu:

Trouthead

08-12-2005, 03:08 PM

Hobbes

08-12-2005, 08:09 PM

I do not know about this price :( . I just bought mine Hellwig anti-sway bar from JCWhitney for $135 plus shipping. I bought two items and shipping was $21.99 so I think that $150 shipped is more reasonable. I think that they should be able to give a better deal for volume sales. Just my opinion but I do praise the product as I have noticed a night/day difference with mine and highly recommend it. :ts:

JC Whitney was one of the five vendors that I contacted. As already mentioned, their price is $169.95 + $18.99 shipping. In regards to a group buy, they were willing to give a 10% discount which brought the price to $152.96 + 18.99 shipping. The other catch is that they only have 7 in stock and the rest would be on a 30 day back order. I've read past threads where people were buying these for $135. I was really hoping to get a group discount down to or below this value but no luck. Maybe I'm just not that persuasive of a guy?! Hellwig doesn't sell directly to the public either. They just recently changed their policy in regards to group buys which is why they are willing to do this. So in short, it's the best price I could find...

TundraBear

08-12-2005, 11:28 PM

don't forget to pick up a set of longer end links to compliment your bar. i picked up soem Addco endlinks from AutoZone for my set up.

nhparrot

08-13-2005, 03:44 AM

Poll results have been modified to remove 'Yes' votes cast by Registered Members. This Group Buy is open to Subscribing Members only.

kbl41001

08-13-2005, 04:16 AM

dexley74

08-13-2005, 05:37 AM

Poll results have been modified to remove 'Yes' votes cast by Registered Members. This Group Buy is open to Subscribing Members only.

TS is offering 50% off annual subscription which I just took advantage of. Not sure how long it lasts but act fast.

pistolpete

08-13-2005, 10:29 AM

JC Whitney was one of the five vendors that I contacted. As already mentioned, their price is $169.95 + $18.99 shipping. In regards to a group buy, they were willing to give a 10% discount which brought the price to $152.96 + 18.99 shipping. The other catch is that they only have 7 in stock and the rest would be on a 30 day back order. I've read past threads where people were buying these for $135. I was really hoping to get a group discount down to or below this value but no luck. Maybe I'm just not that persuasive of a guy?! Hellwig doesn't sell directly to the public either. They just recently changed their policy in regards to group buys which is why they are willing to do this. So in short, it's the best price I could find...

You are doing a heck of a job Hobbes!!!:ts: ....if people think they can get a cheaper deal then let them do it on their own...I don't see them willing to take a lead and post any group buys so thanks for showing initiative....I know how intensive it can be as I'm running my 3rd group buy in my 1 year as a TS member.

It is good to see multiple group buys running in this forum!!! So members keep it up and keep an eye out for aftermarket accessories even if you already have it. Try and get some deals for your fellow TS'ers....heck I'm running my second Retrax group buy even though I already have one! Just so others can enjoy the price break and spruce up their ride!!! There is power in numbers and we have 35,000+...lets use it to our advantage

student's tundra

08-13-2005, 10:46 AM

That 135.00 price is a older price as I checked today and it is the same as last month 169.99, so 150.00 is not a bad price.
Kevin.

I just checked my invoice and I guess it has been a month since my purchase. Purchase price of $135.96 plus shipping. I guess I bought it at a good time. :)

triggs75

08-13-2005, 12:15 PM

MOREPOWER

08-13-2005, 01:47 PM

I see this connects to the frame and to the axle. Does anybody have these connected if they are running a 4" block and an AAL in the rear, which I am? Is it possible to run with that much lift in the rear?

i did my sway bar in an hour after work could not wait i have 2 inch lift and its fine any more lift and you mite need extensions, i would still put it in and if needed get extensions, question if yours is 4x4 and that hight i dont know if a hellwig would be a good idea i think it hurts wheel travel when 4 wheelin

TundraMan2004

08-13-2005, 03:08 PM

Just my .02 as a member who already has this item.

This is probably the most you will get out of a mod when it comes to value vs. cost. When I first took my DC for a real drive is when I noticed how loose it felt in the rear on turns and corners. The sway and roll was greatly diminished after installing the bar. The truck drove and tracked tighter.
As far as I am concerned Hellwig knows customer service too.
I had to request replacement parts after not getting my lower endlink nuts as tight as I should (torqued those babies this time). I called Hellwig prepared to pay whatever cost was quoted, only thing was they didn't qoute me a price. Just told me to expect them via UPS in a few days. New endlinks, bushing, washers, and nuts with shipping all free!

If your on the fence, get off and make the purchase, you won't regret it.

ramster

08-13-2005, 08:34 PM

Man I missed the JBA headers buy, sure don't want to miss this one, can I order now?

RBeau1954

08-13-2005, 11:31 PM

So when can we buy it and who do we talk to and where do we call?

Hobbes

08-14-2005, 08:26 PM

You are doing a heck of a job Hobbes!!!:ts: ....if people think they can get a cheaper deal then let them do it on their own...I don't see them willing to take a lead and post any group buys so thanks for showing initiative....I know how intensive it can be as I'm running my 3rd group buy in my 1 year as a TS member.

Thanks for the encouragement. The illegal poll that started a few weeks ago and then got cut off is what prompted me to move on it. KLINDSEY has been providing advice along the way...and he's the one who suggested the GB in the first place.

Man I missed the JBA headers buy, sure don't want to miss this one, can I order now?

So when can we buy it and who do we talk to and where do we call?

Per TS rules, we have to wait until the poll is complete before taking the next step (please correct me if I'm wrong nhparrot). So starting 8/22 we can begin placing orders with Hellwig. I will provide all of the contact information at that time (I still need to verify the details with Hellwig concerning the exact ordering steps). Hellwig has been great to deal with. Apparently they have 6 other group buys going with other online forums right now. I'm confident that you will all have an easy time placing your orders and with any subsequent questions or problems that you may have upon receiving the product.

Speaking of which, I neglected to mention one option that Hellwig proposed last time I talked with them. They are willing to provide the bars in a color other than black if the entire GB participants agree to one color. I figure this may be difficult if not impossible to all agree on one color but thought I'd through it out there anyway. It would be a nightmare for them to provide each individual their own color. This way then can just run the entire GB batch through the powder coating process with another color after receiving all of the orders. Feel free to express your opinion on the color issue and what color you'd want. I thought it was cool that they even offer this...another :tu: for their customer service.

DarrellRiffe

08-14-2005, 08:47 PM

I'm in, if we get the go-ahead.

DJR

This poll is for a group buy for the Hellwig anti-sway bar. Many TSers have voted this mod as their best aftermarket item that they have added to their Tundra, especially for the price. If you are unfamiliar with this product, please see Hellwig's site (http://www.hellwigproducts.com/antiswaybars/index.html) or read through the following threads: the Q&A thread (http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32873&highlight=hellwig), another one (http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22369&highlight=hellwig), and recent experiences (http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40880&highlight=hellwig). There are many more threads about this product that you can find by doing a SEARCH.

This group buy is for TS Subscribers only (registered users please subscribe and begin enjoying the many benefits of TS.com).

The details for the anti-sway bar are as follows:
Vendor: Hellwig Products
Part Number: 7641 (1 1/8" diameter, steel, black, Tundra anti-sway bar kit)
Price: $150 + shipping via UPS Ground (bulk item rate applies)
Delivery Time: 3-4 days, most likely less since this is an off-the-shelf item, plus UPS's delivery time

There is not a minimum quantity required to get the discount but there are not any additional price breaks for large quantity orders either. I know many on this site ordered this product from Summit Racing, but they are not willing to participate in a group buy (I contacted 5 companies in total and Hellwig is offering the best deal).

If you'd like to participate, please vote Yes before 8/21.

Keyser Soze

08-14-2005, 09:48 PM

I'm in but would be especialy interested in quick disconnects. I would like to install those right away and not have to redo the installation. Please let us know what turns out on those.

As for color black is fine. Of Course if you could have them do it in Phantom Gray... ;)

chenster

08-14-2005, 10:22 PM

I am wondering what's possibility for me to paid a little extra to get version with disconnect?

Jaketparker

08-14-2005, 10:45 PM

I am wondering what's possibility for me to paid a little extra to get version with disconnect?

I know it will never happen but jbtoy's red hellwig bar looks real nice. His description even says this is the way it should come from the factory. Why not we just take his advice on it and make it happen??
:D
Just take a look at it......its a beautiful thing
http://www.tundrasolutions.com/photopost/showphoto.php/photo/3879/si/powder

kbl41001

08-15-2005, 07:53 AM

I know it will never happen but jbtoy's red hellwig bar looks real nice. His description even says this is the way it should come from the factory. Why not we just take his advice on it and make it happen??
:D
Just take a look at it......its a beautiful thing
http://www.tundrasolutions.com/photopost/showphoto.php/photo/3879/si/powder

I would like it in red or black. is the powder coat a extra charge ot in the deal?
Kevin.
P.S. the red bar really looks sharpe.

tech_junky

08-15-2005, 10:12 AM

I third the red bar; I think it looks great! Easier to point out when you want to show off your new addition to the truck, too. Otherwise, black will suffice.

pistolpete

08-15-2005, 10:24 AM

My vote is for black....no need to draw attention to it...I like the stealth look it would have underneath being black

MOREPOWER

08-15-2005, 10:27 AM

they only come in oatmeal black powdercoat, and it looks like they breaded it in oatmeal before powder coating it

Jaketparker

08-15-2005, 12:03 PM

My vote is for black....no need to draw attention to it...I like the stealth look it would have underneath being black

we got to 3 and then pete here had to kill it for us.....just kidding buddy. Im going to do mine in red when i get it up here anyway. I say we just get them normal and everybody do there own thing when they get them since hellwig only wants to do them all one color. No way everybody's going to decide on one color. Deffinately a cool idea though

tech_junky

08-15-2005, 03:28 PM

Perhaps if there are enough of us, we can get two colors? 32 votes already! Black is their standard color anyway, so that shouldn't be additional work.

Jaketparker

08-15-2005, 04:30 PM

Perhaps if there are enough of us, we can get two colors? 32 votes already! Black is their standard color anyway, so that shouldn't be additional work.

Maybe.....just maybe. Hobbes, youre our only hope. Anyway you could contact hellwig about getting a choice of red or black powdercoated? The fate of our sway bars is in your hands....

pistolpete

08-16-2005, 05:43 AM

we got to 3 and then pete here had to kill it for us.....just kidding buddy.

Thats why they call me PISTOL pete....because
-I "shoot" down everyones idea?
-I kill everything?
:devil:

Hobbes

08-16-2005, 05:54 AM

Maybe.....just maybe. Hobbes, youre our only hope. Anyway you could contact hellwig about getting a choice of red or black powdercoated? The fate of our sway bars is in your hands....
I need to talk to Nancy today anyway, so I will inquire about this request. I agree that this shouldn't really add too much work for them (other than ordering the red powder since they probably don't stock it). The black bars should be off-the-shelf and then they only have to run a batch of red bars for those that want them. I imagine that this will add a little bit of time for delivery for the red bars only. They will most likely wait until all orders are received so they know the quantity of red bars and then run those through the powder coating process together. I just don't want anyone ordering a red bar to get upset when the delivery time is longer. But let me talk to Nancy first. If she puts up resistance then I'll bust out some hypnotic suggestion on her:

Me: "These aren't the droids...oh um, you will split the order between red and black bars."
Nancy: "I will split the order between red and black bars."
Me: "You won't charge us shipping for these orders."
Nancy: "I won't charge you shipping for these orders."

If only it was that easy....

My other question for her is to follow up on the quick disconnect issue, which I know many of you are very interested in. I'll hopefully have a response by this afternoon.

okcowboy

08-16-2005, 07:52 PM

I'll take red or black

anmrivera

08-16-2005, 08:11 PM

MOREPOWER

08-16-2005, 08:32 PM

How much does powder coating cost for an iten like this. I would like to know before getting the bar. How much have others paid to get it power coated in color, yes I know it will differ from area to area just looking for an average.
i say $100 to $150 the strip the old stuff off i base it on a $40 qoute to powder an ivan grille insert, the bar is way more work, you get a better deal for more items, jbtoy had his done dont know how much he paid, us a can of plasti kote fopr plastic

forcefedyota

08-16-2005, 09:33 PM

I'm interested in this from all the positive comments ive heard about it.

ramster

08-16-2005, 11:51 PM

Black is fine with me!!! Looking forward to getting this mode installed!!!

Off subject... I put a dent in my rear bumper of my 2005, Toyota Tundra Double Cab Limited, gun metal grey color... dealer wants $250 for the replacement bumper and $100 to install it... where can I get a replacement bumper for a good price?

TIA!

ALL MOTA

08-17-2005, 12:40 AM

pistolpete

08-17-2005, 05:08 AM

Sorry, I've been out of the loop... so what's the deal? Do we get a choice of red or black? (I would like a red one! :devil: ) And did anyone find out about a quick-disconnect kit? (Who makes them and where to buy?)

This is my first group buy and I don't know the process. Do I vote 'yes' now to be counted in, or is that just to get a feeler of who's interested? How do I proceed with paying? :ts:

Technically you do not need to vote anymore as we have hit the requirted 10 "yes" votes for the group buy to continue...Yes the poll is to gauge interest...one the 10 days runs out on the poll (August 21st) Hobbes will post ALL the details you need to proceed with an order....so hang in and wait for the details Hobbes will be posting

For details on Group Buys see the
GROUP BUY POLICY THREAD HERE (http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17902)

lewisb62

08-17-2005, 11:30 AM

i'm in too. in black.

SteveA

08-17-2005, 02:52 PM

What is the downside to installing the anti-sway bars?

Less clearance on 4W DR, so I guess this would cause a problem if I plan on going over large boulders?

Anything else?

hirschg

08-17-2005, 03:23 PM

My vote is for black....no need to draw attention to it...I like the stealth look it would have underneath being black

I'm with pistolpete put me down for black
hirschg

student's tundra

08-17-2005, 05:18 PM

What is the downside to installing the anti-sway bars?

Less clearance on 4W DR, so I guess this would cause a problem if I plan on going over large boulders?

Anything else?

Actually I dont believe thats the case. If I remember right from my install the antisway bar is not the lowest part. I believe your pumpkin is still the lowest part of the underside of the vehicle as far as the rear end goes. You get better (much better) handling on road. You must get either quick disconnects or disconnect the endlinks from the frame before going offroading. If you dont you went dramatically decrease your capabilities because the antisway bar will not allow the axel to articulate. :cool:

ALL MOTA

08-17-2005, 05:43 PM

You must get either quick disconnects or disconnect the endlinks from the frame before going offroading.

where can i pick some up? i want to have some ready so i can do everything all at once. thanks!

student's tundra

08-17-2005, 05:54 PM

where can i pick some up? i want to have some ready so i can do everything all at once. thanks!

I was actually just helping SteveA understand any downfalls of an antisway bar not promoting a certain product/company :) . But since you asked for my opinion here it comes. While I have not found disconnects that are specifically for a tundra. I have found these www.warriorproducts.com is which I am interested in getting. They are stainless steel have polyuertane bushings and look really awesome :devil: .(I do not like the enlinks or bushings that come with the Hellwig antisway bar as they look cheap). They give typical Jeep measurements but say they will work for any vehicle. You will need to find what size endlinks you need and as far as I know thats all you need. :ts:

vmcmahon

08-17-2005, 06:46 PM

I am deffinatly in ... black is fine .. thanks for organizing this...

Jaketparker

08-17-2005, 07:47 PM

I'm ready to order this thing allready...come on 21st.

Bai Qui

08-18-2005, 03:16 PM

I've been kicking around ordering one of these for the last month. This seals the deal. Anyway to get the 21st here faster?

Hobbes

08-19-2005, 05:23 AM

I've been kicking around ordering one of these for the last month. This seals the deal. Anyway to get the 21st here faster?

I apologize for disappearing for a few days. I didn't hear back from Nancy until Wednesday, but I was out of town for work. And yesterday I tried to log on a half dozen times and got "the server is currently busy" message. I do have some updated info though.

Quick Disconnects: Hellwig has decided to begin manufacturing these for the anti-sway bar. She will have additional details including the price on Monday. I think our group buy and requests for the disconnects is what convinced them to go forward with this product. As I mentioned before, they already had them designed but decided not to manufacturer them. Worst case is that they are not ready to begin making these by the time our orders start to come in, in which case she will offer Warrior disconnects. Apparently they are somewhat of partners. Either way, you will be able to order the quick disconnects at the same time as your bar!

Colors: Hellwig is fine with us placing orders for both the standard black and red bars. It would only be an issue if 5 people wanted green bars, 3 wanted blue, 18 red, etc. Red is a standard powder coating color for some of their other components, so they keep the powder in stock. She would prefer that there are at least 10 red bars ordered since they can hang 10 bars at a time, but I think she will provide them regardless of the number ordered. Since they keep the red powder in stock, this also means that they should be able to ship them the same week that they are ordered. I will mention this again with the ordering details, but if you want red you will have to specify this in your order. The default is black.

I have two issues that I need to discuss with Glenn (nhparrot) but then we will be ready to place orders. Apparently I could have posted ordering info as soon as 10 yeses were recorded. I was trying to speed things up this week when the aforementioned delays occurred. Be looking for a new post in the Group Buy forum with these details either late today or tomorrow depending on when I get a response from Glenn. Those of you wishing to order the quick disconnects may want to wait until next week when Nancy has the remaining details concerning pricing, etc. Thanks for your patience as I am still learning all of the in's and out's of group buys. Hellwig has been great to deal with though and is making this pretty easy. Stay tuned.....

pistolpete

08-19-2005, 05:39 AM

I apologize for disappearing for a few days. I didn't hear back from Nancy until Wednesday, but I was out of town for work. And yesterday I tried to log on a half dozen times and got "the server is currently busy" message. I do have some updated info though............I have two issues that I need to discuss with Glenn (nhparrot) but then we will be ready to place orders. Apparently I could have posted ordering info as soon as 10 yeses were recorded. I was trying to speed things up this week when the aforementioned delays occurred. Be looking for a new post in the Group Buy forum with these details either late today or tomorrow depending on when I get a response from Glenn. Those of you wishing to order the quick disconnects may want to wait until next week when Nancy has the remaining details concerning pricing, etc. Thanks for your patience as I am still learning all of the in's and out's of group buys. Hellwig has been great to deal with though and is making this pretty easy. Stay tuned.....

Hobbes,

Let me mention this right now....YOU DID A H$LL OF A JOB ON THIS GROUP BUY!!!! I am currently runnning my 2nd and 3rd simultaneously (RETRAX and TRACRAC) and you've done exactly what was needed and a WHOLE LOT MORE!!!! Thanks for going the extra mile on all the details, the colors and dissconnects!!

If I may speak for all TS members who voted in thei group buy

A JOB WELL DONE SIR!!!!!:tu: :tu: