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I've read everything I could find on this site and TTORA about coilovers. I'm about to lift my 03 Tundra AC and have narrowed down the front end to Camburg and Bilstein. It's my impression that the Camburgs excel at high-speed desert-type runs. For the trails I run here in Colorado they're relatively low-speed where articulation is more important. I have no plans for SAS though and recently gave up my Jeep for the Tundra.

So rambling aside, my question is - is there a compelling reason to get the Camburgs vs. Bilsteins for low-speed type wheeling? Is there a particular coilover that works better for this terrain?
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I've read everything I could find on this site and TTORA about coilovers. I'm about to lift my 03 Tundra AC and have narrowed down the front end to Camburg and Bilstein. It's my impression that the Camburgs excel at high-speed desert-type runs. For the trails I run here in Colorado they're relatively low-speed where articulation is more important. I have no plans for SAS though and recently gave up my Jeep for the Tundra.

So rambling aside, my question is - is there a compelling reason to get the Camburgs vs. Bilsteins for low-speed type wheeling? Is there a particular coilover that works better for this terrain?
Yes. Our coil-over will definitely be the best option for you because it was designed from the ground up specifically for your vehicle and we use a digressive piston. Here is the link:
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Your question might be better phrased as "big shock or little shock", since there are more than Camburg and Bilstein offering shocks. Personally, of the smaller bore shocks, I'd recommend Bilstein. Of the larger bore, IVD or Camburg...they really are "all mountain" shocks.

It really comes down to how you choose to drive, offroad...onroad, I doubt you'll notice a difference. If you're a mellow driver and rarely (if ever) push your truck either to extremes of articulation or extremes of speed, and you only use the truck lightly loaded for day trips, the less-expensive Bilsteins will suit you just fine, and there is a 5100 kit designed specifically for your truck.

If you see a need for improved articulation, either the Camburg or IVD extended coilovers along with Camburg's upper control arm will do the trick. Bilstein does not offer a similar option that I am aware of...while they offer a larger bore coilover, I've never heard of a Tundra-specific extended option for use with the high-misalignment joints in the aftermarket upper control arms.

The other benefit to the Camburg and IVD coilovers is the spring rate of the coil itself, which I've found much better suited to a loaded truck and offroad use than the stock coils. In addition, if one spring rate doesn't suit your truck, there's probably another that will, unlike the 5100 kit which uses your stock coils.

I have found in the past that proximity to Southeast Utah results in a lot of baked shocks , and baked shock oil is one of the worst things I've ever smelled. You're quite capable of baking the stock shocks, non-resi Bilsteins, OMEs, and 2.0" non-resi versions of the larger coilovers, on the exit from the Dollhouse to Hite Marina (that is a great drive, BTW!). I don't doubt we have a few routes here in CO which will do the same, if you get moving.

Your truck, in stock form, is capable of a lot...including runs which require dozens of miles of moderate to difficult 4WD and dozens of miles of 2WD at speed. Plenty of routes in CO are the same way...you can take a Subaru (usually) over Shrine Pass, and I suspect if the trail's in good condition, you could take a Subi with a decent low-range tcase over the McAllister Gulch trail...but you can do it twice as fast in a truck with good suspension. It's worth spending the money for the larger coilovers...you're getting far more than just a desert-appropriate coilover, you're also getting greatly improved load handling, resistance to fading, and with a Camburg upper control arm, extended travel.

As much as I like and recommend IVD, everyone else will also say that they designed their product from the ground up, specifically for your truck .

(Sorry Mike ).

Both IVD's and Camburg's products will excel at high and low speed trails. Both offer excellent customer service, a long history of desert racing experience, and top shelf products. Pricewise, they are currently close enough through Wheeler's to be effectively the same.

If you're not familiar with the difference between digressive and linear pistons and why you might want one vs the other, this isn't a bad place to start. Personally, I would call that the biggest difference between the two products...as far as I know, Camburg's version of the Swayaway still uses a linear piston (I haven't taken mine apart to look, but you can certainly call them, I'm sure they'll tell you).

I like them both, and I get a great impression of both companies...they're very supportive of the Toyota offroad community. Pick a color and get to driving . Better yet, support both and get a Camburg upper arm with an IVD coilover .

Dunno if you've met any of the COTTORA crowd yet, but we'll be down in the Springs on the 28th for a benefit wrenching event...drop in to the COTTORA forum if you haven't already .

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Default Re: Which Coilover for Mountains?

Thanks Sean. I've lurked/read enough here to look forward to your posts.

I've planned on Camburg UCA's all along if for no other reason that the improved suspension droop. I guess my question stemmed from some marketing their CO as 'high speed desert' units but I understand your point and have been on enough washboard sections of trails here that I can see how we'd need that benefit as well.

After being so comfortable with my Jeep suspension, these Toyota's seem so complicated - but I know it's just the change in thinking processes. I'm still lurking/reading on COTTORA and soaking up as much info as I can w/o asking noobie questions that have been . I'll be out of town on the 28th, but I'll check the events calendar for another one.

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Default Re: Which Coilover for Mountains?

No worries, drop in to the area if you're ever up north, a few guys have Icons, a few have SAWs by Camburg or from the factory, others have Bilis, some have spacers on stock coilovers, and everybody is usually willing to talk about their junk to anyone willing to listen !
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Default Re: Which Coilover for Mountains?

Just to throw a couple more cents into the jar.

I have had both, but on two different trucks. What I mean is I had SAWs on my 00 and I have IVD on my 08. These are two different trucks and they have two different lifts, so yes there are differences based on the two different types of vehicles.

HOWEVER, I did ride in an 04 with IVDs/DRs, and the ride on that truck was softer on the pavement than with my SAWs.

I never went offroad with the 04, but on the pavement areas that my truck would have a minor amount of jolt, the IVD truck did not.

I like the IVDs on my 08. I see you have an 03 listed in your garage, so I am assuming that is what you will be putting them on.

I will say that my SAWs offroad were outstanding on my 00. I could not complain about them, whether at speed or at crawl. They were great.

I have never had the bilsteins, but they make a good smaller shock, no question.

Any way you go you will probably be pretty satisfied.


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We sell and INSTALL ICONS amongst other lifts, ICONS rock. I havent met a customer that didnt like them ON the trail or OFF the trail. They are well engineered and have a great customer satisfaction..meaning if we have a problem they step up and take care of it. It is a pleasure dealing with them and using their product. Those shocks in addition to the Camburg upper arms make it almost a perfect ride. You couldnt ask for a better combo.
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We sell and INSTALL ICONS amongst other lifts, ICONS rock. I havent met a customer that didnt like them ON the trail or OFF the trail. They are well engineered and have a great customer satisfaction..meaning if we have a problem they step up and take care of it. It is a pleasure dealing with them and using their product. Those shocks in addition to the Camburg upper arms make it almost a perfect ride. You couldnt ask for a better combo.
Once I get the Icon UCA's to compliment the Icon coilovers I'll let you take it for a test drive... then you can say it'll be the "best" combo.
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