r.c.d lift info

[Imdone]

The cost is still not determined. That was just a guess from a sales person at RCD.

As for the rest I am sure Klaud can give you some nice feedback.

[Agent 409]

Originally Posted by Imdone

The cost is still not determined. That was just a guess from a sales person at RCD.

As for the rest I am sure Klaud can give you some nice feedback.

yeah..i'd definitely like to hear why we should buy this lift over the new/improved tuff country lift??

[Imdone]

Originally Posted by Agent 409

yeah..i'd definitely like to hear why we should buy this lift over the new/improved tuff country lift??

If you check for other RCD kits around the same height they are around the same cost. This one is the most expensive that I have seen.

The RCD kit should provide a better ride than the Tuff country lift. I also like the fact that there is no front spacer with this kit and that the two cross members are linked together with a solid plate, unlike the Tuff lift that just has 2 cross bars/tubes. The plate I think will provide the greater structural integrity along with being a nice sliding point. From looking at pictures of the two kits the RCD crossmembers look tougher than the setup Tuff uses.

The RCD kit comes with Front and rear shocks, the tuff lift only comes with new rears. the RCD lift also has some nice front end links for stability which the Tuff lift doesn't have. From the photos of the two kits the spindles on the RCD lift look alot more like the stock spindles, just taller which may provide for some differences in tire/wheel selection. The Tuff spindles look different from stock. The RCD lift also comes with a new front anti-sway bar, the Tuff lift doesn't.

That probably isn't $1,000 in differences but from what I can see from just photos the RCD lift kit looks better to me.

I think alot of it will come down to preference too, the buyer will need to make his/her decision as to which kit to buy for what they want to do.

[DevinSixtySeven]

Originally Posted by klaud

Well, that's not the only thing that determines the lift height. The combination of moving that mounting point, with a totally different spindle/knuckle than stock, and the new coil-overs, will give a lift of 5.5"-6.5". The overall geometry compared to stock will give the lift, corrected steering, and improved ride.

i understand that, but i'm specifically asking for the base vertical delta, whereas the number above is a combined total including suspension modifications.

-sean

[Agent 409]

imdone..thanks for the info..thats good enough to sell me on the RCD..i liked the RCD better anyways..i'm sooo glad a company finally decided to make a sweet big enough lift for the tundra..i emailed companies all over in years past and all they would say is "no, we don't have a lift planned for the tundra"..it really made me mad..cuz its stupid..companies came out with lifts for the titan right away...i think that if a truck has a custom market following where consumers can see custom trucks of a brand name they are considering purchasing helps push them toward getting that truck because they are like "yeah!i'm going to do that to my truck when i get it!" and since there aren't that many bitchin custom tundras out on the road or at custom shows it doesn't help sales..basically to make a long story short..lifted tundras on the road will make more and more people buy the truck and realize that toyota is pretty sick..but this is off topic..so no one has to respond to this cuz it doesn't really relate to the RCD lift..just me venting on encouraging people to lift their trucks!!!w/35's of course!!

[klaud]

OK, I've been lagging on checking this post!!

Hopefully I can help answer most of these questions.
First, you WILL need an alignment after the installation. The specs really aren't that different from stock, except the caster value. The required caster will depend on what size tires you use. Generally, it will be a little less than stock to keep a similar amount of trail.

Next, regarding spindles: it isn't that cheap to produce new spindles, but the bulk of the price increase there is the fact that we give you new wheel bearings already pressed into the spindles, which would cost you about 200 bucks a piece from Toyota (I'm pretty sure that's right, but feel free to correct me on that). I don't know what Tuff Country does with theirs, so it may be an irrelevant point.

Also in regards to cost, we do give you new shocks, custom valved for this application, and it definitely will ride better than a kit that uses stock shocks. If you want to compare apples and oranges, like this kit to Camburg or Total Chaos, that's fine, but you have to realize what each is good for. If you want 4-6 inches of lift, while maintaing 4wd capability, maintaining or increasing strength of components, and having the proper ride characteristics for such a lift, then this would be the kit for you. If you want 2-3 inches of lift, and maybe longer travel, than you can do something else. If you want 5 inches of lift and want to spend less money, and get less, than you can get something else. All options are good options to different people, but I am pretty confident that our kits are competitively priced for what you get. What Imdone said about the new sway bar is also a good point. If you run 5-6 inches of lift and big tires, the tendency to induce body roll is much greater, and we provide a custom designed sway bar for this kit. He also mentioned the crossmember support struts, which are tig welded stainless steel. They look good and give added rigidity to the whole front end. We also sell bolt on accessories for this and other kits, like stainless steel or aluminum skidplates, and stainless or black painted light bars. It's all about what you want, and how much $ you have to spend.

You gotta decide what it's worth to you to get what you want. RCD only makes quality kits and not cheap stuff to get your truck in the air.

I am not trying to sell anything, because that's not what I get paid for. But I will give you guys my honest and professional opinion from an engineering staindpoint, because I am a consumer as well, and feel like sharing any reasonable info with customers is good for everyone.

[klaud]

Also, I just posted some new pictures of the Tundra kit with the ride height adjusted where we want it, and providing 6 inches of lift.

The front shocks on this kit will include two different snap ring grooves for the lower coil mount, so the customer can choose between ~4-4.5 inches of lift or ~6 inches of lift. The only difference is that the 6 in. lift will give about 2-2.5 inches of droop, and the 4-4.5 in. lift will give 4-4.5 in. of droop. We usually go with 2 inches of droop, and that is what this kit was designed for, but we decided to make it adjustable. It is not a super simple adjustment, because you have to take the shock apart, which includes compressing the spring, but it's a good option for the initial installation. The old pictures I posted are of the truck with 4.5 inches of lift. The lift height will vary due to differences in engine/drivetrain/cab configurations which result in different vehicle weights.

[Imdone]

Which will come with the kit, the adjustment for 6" or 4.5", can we request that they be set for a certain adj?

Will any instructions be given for changing the height?

Thanks.

[klaud]

Originally Posted by Imdone

Which will come with the kit, the adjustment for 6" or 4.5", can we request that they be set for a certain adj?

Will any instructions be given for changing the height?

Thanks.

Instructions are included as to which groove will give which lift height. The kit will come with one snap ring in each shock, and all the installer has to do is move the snap ring to the desired groove. It's super easy, and explained in the instructions. You would only need to tell the installer, if it isn't yourself, which lift height you want.

[Imdone]

By running the 6" on the shocks is there then a higher pre-load on the springs?

Now with the internal spacer, my springs are preloaded and if I hit a pot hole It sounds like the truck is going to explode from the wheel drooping really fast.

Will this effect remain by running the 6" height due to increased preload of the coil spring?

Thanks.

[klaud]

Originally Posted by Imdone

By running the 6" on the shocks is there then a higher pre-load on the springs?

Now with the internal spacer, my springs are preloaded and if I hit a pot hole It sounds like the truck is going to explode from the wheel drooping really fast.

Will this effect remain by running the 6" height due to increased preload of the coil spring?

Thanks.

Actually, the 6 inch lift height uses about the same preload as stock, because the shocks were designed for that. The 4-4.5 height is slightly less preload than stock.

[triggs75]

Originally Posted by klaud

Instructions are included as to which groove will give which lift height. The kit will come with one snap ring in each shock, and all the installer has to do is move the snap ring to the desired groove. It's super easy, and explained in the instructions. You would only need to tell the installer, if it isn't yourself, which lift height you want.

So are you giving a 3" or 4" block for the rear. If people are going from 4.5" to 6" are you giving them the option to raise the back with the front more? Or is the rear sitting higher if you go with the 4.5"..

Just asking

Chad

[Noleander]

Originally Posted by Imdone

If you check for other RCD kits around the same height they are around the same cost. This one is the most expensive that I have seen.

The RCD kit should provide a better ride than the Tuff country lift. I also like the fact that there is no front spacer with this kit and that the two cross members are linked together with a solid plate, unlike the Tuff lift that just has 2 cross bars/tubes. The plate I think will provide the greater structural integrity along with being a nice sliding point. From looking at pictures of the two kits the RCD crossmembers look tougher than the setup Tuff uses.

The RCD kit comes with Front and rear shocks, the tuff lift only comes with new rears. the RCD lift also has some nice front end links for stability which the Tuff lift doesn't have. From the photos of the two kits the spindles on the RCD lift look alot more like the stock spindles, just taller which may provide for some differences in tire/wheel selection. The Tuff spindles look different from stock. The RCD lift also comes with a new front anti-sway bar, the Tuff lift doesn't.

That probably isn't $1,000 in differences but from what I can see from just photos the RCD lift kit looks better to me.

I think alot of it will come down to preference too, the buyer will need to make his/her decision as to which kit to buy for what they want to do.

KLAUD, thanks for the additional information. I just want to make sure that I know why I'm purchasing the kit and if it is the right kit for me.

[Imdone]

Because of the trucks stance at stock height the front should be lifted 6" and the rear should be 4" therefore if you use the 4.5" height in the front the rear should be sitting higher than the front. At 6" in the front the truck should be level.

Originally Posted by triggs75

So are you giving a 3" or 4" block for the rear. If people are going from 4.5" to 6" are you giving them the option to raise the back with the front more? Or is the rear sitting higher if you go with the 4.5"..

Just asking

Chad

[Imdone]

Just to make sure this is clear, you quoted my post not Klaud's. Klaud did comment partially on what I said but my post is only by what I have seen and his is relating to what he knows about the kit being the person working on the kit.

Originally Posted by Noleander

KLAUD, thanks for the additional information. I just want to make sure that I know why I'm purchasing the kit and if it is the right kit for me.