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This is a discussion thread titled "5" tuff country lift kit pros and cons...", within the Suspension & Axle forum, part of the Technical & Vehicle Assistance Forums category.
sorry guys, one more question, Isturbointeg....youre right, it does say it can only fit 33's, but do you think if i go later with a 3" body lift i'd be able to fit some 35's? thanks for all the help guys, that s why i love this forum!
Yes a 3" BL will get you the needed clearance...actually your spacer kit will do it as well...and yes you can still use the spacer kit with the TC lift, many do.
I'm going to still use my SAW's with the TC 5" lift and when my 33's need replaced I may go with 35's, all I'll need to do is crank the coilovers a little and I'll be golden!!
^^ why wouldnt it be such a good idea? i plan on going seldomly but i dont plan on making it a full time thing, maybe a weekend a month if that.
Perhaps he didn't realize that kit comes with the new spindles? That should have fixed all the 'issues', the only week link that may still be there is the shock spacer...I don't recall hearing of those failing. I'm sure you will be fine for the type of use your truck gets.
I'm not trying to sell you on the TC, I'm in the same boat as you and don't want to spend $1k more on the RCD if I don't need to...actually to be honest I cant spend $2400 on a lift as I have other project cars that need finished too. For me it's the TC 5" or just stay with my saw lift and be happy, and I feel since TC came out with the new and much stronger spindle there's no reason not to go that route...for us non hardcore guys anyways.
FWIW, I agree with everyone that RCD builds the best kit, but for some I think it's just not cost effective....especially for guys like myself that already have coilovers and costly wheels with 4.5" b.s. For myself the TC lift fits my needs and I can still use my c/o's and wheels.
is there ANYTHING else i need to buy in order to take it to a shop and get it installed?
From that photo it is missing some things.
I don't see any bearings in those spindles, now they may come with them and are just not in there, but if they don't come with them you will need new ones.
You will also need the dust seals for the steering knucles, the shop may have these so you may not need to worry about that but it is worth asking.
it shows 1 stainless steel brake line, but that may be for the rear, if it doesn't come with extended brake lines for the front this is something I would highly recommend getting.
I would also pick up some new sway bar bushings since you are going to be taking that off and it is a good time to have the shop put them on, shouldn't cost any extra in labor either.
Also if you haven't replaced the steering rack bushings I would do these at the same time since the rack will have to be detached and lowered.
In looking at the photo and comparing to the RCD kit, there are several items that RCD provides that I am not seeing in this kit. Like a new swaybar, front shocks, bearings, SS braided front brake lines, lower skid plate and stainless brace bars from the lower subframe to the frame of the truck.
These above are likely the $1,000 difference between the kits.
I am not trying to sell you on the RCD kit, just letting you know the differences.
Also I saw someone post about Leathernuts, he is running 7" of lift in the front and 5 in the rear. This is how he can fit 35" tires.
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I'm not sure why TC advertises 4.5 or 5". The spacer in my kit was exactly 4". Asked TC about this one time and never got a straight answer. Bottom line is, it's a 4" lift in the front and a 3" lift in the back. Maybe they'll be using a taller spacer in the front on the 05 - 06's, but doubtful. I'm running a TC lift with TeamWest SAW's and a modified 1.5" spacer. Both were about the same money as an RCD lift. Concerning performance, I'd bet a buck the RCD Bilsteins/factory coil aren't even close to a set of custom SAW's. The benefits are a better ride and more droop over factory. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think RCD does anything to increase travel/droop? I have my truck set at exactly 6" over stock and could do slightly more if I wanted. My truck has been used off road extensively, mostly during the 70 - 80 days a year I spend big game and waterfowl hunting. Haven't had so much as a hiccup with the combination...
I'm not sure why TC advertises 4.5 or 5". The spacer in my kit was exactly 4". Asked TC about this one time and never got a straight answer. Bottom line is, it's a 4" lift in the front and a 3" lift in the back. Maybe they'll be using a taller spacer in the front on the 05 - 06's, but doubtful. I'm running a TC lift with TeamWest SAW's and a modified 1.5" spacer. Both were about the same money as an RCD lift. Concerning performance, I'd bet a buck the RCD Bilsteins/factory coil aren't even close to a set of custom SAW's. The benefits are a better ride and more droop over factory. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think RCD does anything to increase travel/droop? I have my truck set at exactly 6" over stock and could do slightly more if I wanted. My truck has been used off road extensively, mostly during the 70 - 80 days a year I spend big game and waterfowl hunting. Haven't had so much as a hiccup with the combination...
True, they don't change the amount of travel, that stays the same, but I have closer to 9" of lift with my RCD and drive it off road and have not had any issue with the front suspension. The RCD Bilsteins are not the same level of SAW's or Donahoe or King coilovers, but the stock T/C is no better either.
Tuff Country doesn't do anything to change the amount of travel either though, it all remains the same, you are lifting the truck but still have the ability to put an aftermarket coilover on either one and can pump up another 1" or 2.
The difference is you can add a coilover to the T/C spacer, but with RCD you have to call King and have them custom make you as set to the needed length. Either way you can still use one. Custom king's are about $1,000 and they will make them for the RCD lift on any year Tundra.
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Tuff Country doesn't do anything to change the amount of travel either though, it all remains the same, you are lifting the truck but still have the ability to put an aftermarket coilover on either one and can pump up another 1" or 2.
I didn't say TC changes travel. But my SAW's do. My comparison is based on dollars. For the cost of an RCD lift, you can buy a TC with SAW's and get more travel, better ride, adjust the ride height from side to side and still have a 6 - 6 1/2" lift if you want. Custom Kings on an RCD lift would do nothing for me other than waste money. 7 - 8" of lift is getting too far up in the air for my off roading and dumping a grand to get better travel isn't worth it. I also doubt you get the same droop from Kings as you do SAW's. Kings have a larger diameter coil spring than the 2.5" SAW's. At least on the TC lift, the larger diameter springs will hit the spindle before the smaller ones limiting droop.
I can't remember what my lift was advertised as. I think it was 4.5"...
I WAS PASSING BY THROUGH TEMECULA AND SAW THIS TUNDRA DC SITTING PRETTY HIGH...HAD TO PULL OVER AND TAKE A LOOK...THIS GUY IS RUNNING THE 4.5" TC WITH 3" BL SITTING ON 37'S...TOTALLY SICK!!! SO NOW I'M CONTEMPLATING WHETHER TO GO TUFF COUNTRY 5" OR RCD?? BUT SEEING THE COMPLETE COMPONENTS WITH THE RCD I'M STILL LEANING TOWARDS THAT DIRECTION...
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^^ same here, im starting to wonder if the RCD will just be more worth it in the end as opposed to having to buy little things here and there which would delay the installation process.
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I didn't say TC changes travel. But my SAW's do. My comparison is based on dollars. For the cost of an RCD lift, you can buy a TC with SAW's and get more travel, better ride, adjust the ride height from side to side and still have a 6 - 6 1/2" lift if you want. Custom Kings on an RCD lift would do nothing for me other than waste money. 7 - 8" of lift is getting too far up in the air for my off roading and dumping a grand to get better travel isn't worth it. I also doubt you get the same droop from Kings as you do SAW's. Kings have a larger diameter coil spring than the 2.5" SAW's. At least on the TC lift, the larger diameter springs will hit the spindle before the smaller ones limiting droop.
I can't remember what my lift was advertised as. I think it was 4.5"...
I wasn't trying to say the T/C lift sucks but you are comparing stuff that doesn't come with the kit.
Yeah, I have an rcd kit with the bilsteins and coilspring specialties coils and am ridding at about 9" of lift, but it was extra. Sure my truck sits as high as Mustang's truck with the RCD and a 3" b/l but that isn't the point. If you get the 2.5" springs and they hit then get some UCAs like I have and I can swing plenty of travel before I even come close to the spring. As you can see the King shocks are adjustable and are 2.5" as well. King Off-Road Racing Shocks : High Performance Suspension
The comparison of the other aftermarket stuff is about the same as pissing into the wind. It's useless and just gets you wet...
I am not trying to bag on the T/C kit, I have nothing against it, I am only trying to point out that the kits differ in price due to the other components that RCD provides and you can still do other things to it to get more lift, it's all in the eye of the beholder.
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I'm guessing the only thing you may need to add to the TC lift is longer front brake lines...but those are easy to get. A call to TC would answer that....for what it's worth their install directions say nothing about changing them. I have heard that the first thing that gets tight is the ABS wires....but it still works with both lifts.
I say for a street/light off road truck the TC is a good choice and for the guy that wants to hit the off road harder the RCD is the answer primarily due to TC's c/o spacer although you can always have longer c/o's built and due without the spacer like you would for the RCD....of course you always have to stay within budget and stay true to your needs. Both will be improved with coilovers and upper arms added.
I wasn't trying to say the T/C lift sucks but you are comparing stuff that doesn't come with the kit.
Yeah, I have an rcd kit with the bilsteins and coilspring specialties coils and am ridding at about 9" of lift, but it was extra. Sure my truck sits as high as Mustang's truck with the RCD and a 3" b/l but that isn't the point. If you get the 2.5" springs and they hit then get some UCAs like I have and I can swing plenty of travel before I even come close to the spring. As you can see the King shocks are adjustable and are 2.5" as well. King Off-Road Racing Shocks : High Performance Suspension
The comparison of the other aftermarket stuff is about the same as pissing into the wind. It's useless and just gets you wet...
I am not trying to bag on the T/C kit, I have nothing against it, I am only trying to point out that the kits differ in price due to the other components that RCD provides and you can still do other things to it to get more lift, it's all in the eye of the beholder.
You need to post some pics sitting at 9" of lift.
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Re: 5" tuff country lift kit pros and cons...
BUT SEEING THE COMPLETE COMPONENTS WITH THE RCD I'M STILL LEANING TOWARDS THAT DIRECTION...
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