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TacomaGeneral discussion forum for the 2005 and later Toyota Tacoma.
This is a discussion thread titled "1 gen vs 2nd gen", within the Tacoma forum, part of the Truck Forums category.
I didn't know that. Does the Taco have side airbags and other stuff now? The early Tundras didn't.
Offroad, they're near-identical except the Taco comes with more goodies .
2006 Taco
Wheelbase 127.8 in.
Overall Length 208.1 in.
Vehicle Height 69.9 in.
Vehicle Width 74.6 in.
Front Headroom 39.9 in.
Front Legroom 41.7 in.
Rear Headroom 35.2 in.
Rear Legroom 28.2 in.
Towing Capacity 3500.0 lbs
V6 Tundra
Wheelbase 128.3 in.
Overall Length 218.3 in.
Vehicle Height 70.0 in.
Vehicle Width 75.2 in.
Front Headroom 40.3 in.
Front Legroom 41.5 in.
Rear Headroom 38.3 in.
Rear Legroom 28.6 in.
Towing Capacity 4800.0 lbs
Just a touch bigger and more towing capacity according to Autotrader stats
2005 Tundra no side airbags in my V6.
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I didn't know that. Does the Taco have side airbags and other stuff now? The early Tundras didn't.
Offroad, they're near-identical except the Taco comes with more goodies .
The Taco will have standard side srs airbages2009 (driver and front passenger seat-mounted side airbags, front and rear side curtain airbags) but Tundra had them on the double cab since late 04 for 05 model (an option)...
Tacoma come with more goodies as far as what beyond locking rear diff and No V8?
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Last edited by Tundrav8yamaha; 08-06-2008 at 04:30 PM.
Arguably stronger differentials, rear shocks closer to hubs, lighter overall, more efficient engine, less rear overhang.
rear shock's on the Taco are toe out meaning outside the frame as like the 2007 Tundra. I'm not sure if that aid's in better traction or not you tell me? Wylcat has mentioned having a shock design outside has some pro's and con's but not really good on certain off roading requirement's.
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Last edited by Tundrav8yamaha; 08-06-2008 at 05:10 PM.
2006 Taco
Wheelbase 127.8 in.
Overall Length 208.1 in.
Vehicle Height 69.9 in.
Vehicle Width 74.6 in.
Front Headroom 39.9 in.
Front Legroom 41.7 in.
Rear Headroom 35.2 in.
Rear Legroom 28.2 in.
Towing Capacity 3500.0 lbs
V6 Tundra
Wheelbase 128.3 in.
Overall Length 218.3 in.
Vehicle Height 70.0 in.
Vehicle Width 75.2 in.
Front Headroom 40.3 in.
Front Legroom 41.5 in.
Rear Headroom 38.3 in.
Rear Legroom 28.6 in.
Towing Capacity 4800.0 lbs
Just a touch bigger and more towing capacity according to Autotrader stats
2005 Tundra no side airbags in my V6.
V6 Tacoma with the Tow Package has a 6,500 lb tow capacity... I am not positive what the tow package does for the V6 Tundra, but I know it is lower than 6,500 lbs. I wanna think that 4,800 lbs is the V6 Tundra's max? I could be wrong on that!
Bottom line, standard towing capacity may be higher, but maximum towin capacity is not!
__________________ 2007 Tacoma DC 4x4 V6 TRD Off-Road
Supersprings
TRD Exhaust
AFE Cold Air Intake
URD Short Throw Shifter
TRD Supercharger (coming soon)
1967 Toyota Land Cruiser FJ40
Springover
Rear Detriot Locker
Front ARB Locker
Longfield Super Axles
SM420 Transmission
Orion 4.1 Transfer Case
Chevy 327 V8
Teraflex Revolver Shackles Rear
Trail-Gear Six Shooter Knuckles
37x14.00 Super Swamper Bias Ply Irok's
**Just to name a few**
V6 Tacoma with the Tow Package has a 6,500 lb tow capacity... I am not positive what the tow package does for the V6 Tundra, but I know it is lower than 6,500 lbs. I wanna think that 4,800 lbs is the V6 Tundra's max? I could be wrong on that!
Bottom line, standard towing capacity may be higher, but maximum towin capacity is not!
i checked that figure and your right towing on the weaker v6 is 4,800 vs the V8 having 7,100
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I have a 98 access cab, and I still like it. Co-worker of mine has an 07 DC, and there is a LOT more space in the double cab. I've driven a previous generation double cab, and there is no comparison.
The airbag thing is a toss up. Very few options packages have the side curtains anyway. Maybe things will change in 09....
Still feel that the 4.0 liter V6 is pretty much superfluous. They should have kept the 3.4 liter, and added a 4.7 liter options. Would have saved money. Both engines were already developed, why develop a new one that suggests you use premium gas?
I have a 98 access cab, and I still like it. Co-worker of mine has an 07 DC, and there is a LOT more space in the double cab. I've driven a previous generation double cab, and there is no comparison.
The airbag thing is a toss up. Very few options packages have the side curtains anyway. Maybe things will change in 09....
Still feel that the 4.0 liter V6 is pretty much superfluous. They should have kept the 3.4 liter, and added a 4.7 liter options. Would have saved money. Both engines were already developed, why develop a new one that suggests you use premium gas?
The 4.0 in the tundra uses regular
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why develop a new one that suggests you use premium gas?
The 4.0 was developed for use in the 4runner, GX, Land Cruiser (overseas), FJ, Tacoma and Tundra applications. The 3.4 was a very good engine but the 4.0 is the better engine. Premium fuel is suggested but not required...I am sure if you dig in the manual of the 3.4 it will also say that premium is suggested too. FYI the 4.7 is also suggested to use premium but not required as well.
The 4.0 was developed for use in the 4runner, GX, Land Cruiser (overseas), FJ, Tacoma and Tundra applications. The 3.4 was a very good engine but the 4.0 is the better engine. Premium fuel is suggested but not required...I am sure if you dig in the manual of the 3.4 it will also say that premium is suggested too. FYI the 4.7 is also suggested to use premium but not required as well.
Yea true I don't use premium on this engine at all (4.7 liter) same with the 4.0 liter my friend has on there Tacoma. I have to say for towing heavy stuff v8 all the way it's too bad Tacoma doesn't provide that for a mid sized truck.hell the Dodge Dakota has a v8 on there end. Even if sales say step up to a New Tundra with it's v8 many buyer's out there like the mid sized truck for easy of use and parking. Wile Tacoma has it's faults Toyota can raise the bar's now since the 4.7 liter can fit these truck engine bay's and the engine been around the block a wile.
Page the 3.4 was a bad engine had some problems on head gasket's etc Im glad Toyota replaced it. I tested a 2000 Tundra v6 and my opinion the truck had No power at all and seem weak. This is the core reason why I got the v8 because these truck's are heavy and a v8 would be deemed too pull it's weight better.
V6 Tacoma with the Tow Package has a 6,500 lb tow capacity... I am not positive what the tow package does for the V6 Tundra, but I know it is lower than 6,500 lbs. I wanna think that 4,800 lbs is the V6 Tundra's max? I could be wrong on that!
Bottom line, standard towing capacity may be higher, but maximum towin capacity is not!
If i was looking to tow it wouldn't be a Tacoma it would be the Tundra v8. V6 are too weak in my opinion The bigger engine really help's with pulling power plus on a Tacoma you can't pull a 5th wheel since you have those plastic smc bed's.
Sure you might say Tacoma for a mid sized truck pull's 6,500 pound's but thats not including weight on passenger ,gear and cargo . 4wd also has a lower towing cap too these are prime issues to review.
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Last edited by Tundrav8yamaha; 08-10-2008 at 10:30 AM.
If i was looking to tow it wouldn't be a Tacoma it would be the Tundra v8. V6 are too weak in my opinion The bigger engine really help's with pulling power plus on a Tacoma you can't pull a 5th wheel since you have those plastic smc bed's.
Sure you might say Tacoma for a mid sized truck pull's 6,500 pound's but thats not including weight on passenger ,gear and cargo . 4wd also has a lower towing cap too these are prime issues to review.
I tow quite often with my Tacoma, in no way would I suggest it tows as good as a 2nd Gen Tundra. However I would say it is a pretty comparable to the the Tundra 4.7 prior to the addition of VVT-i and the 5 speed, actually probably a little better.
As for the 6,500 lb tow capacity, it is actually very accurate. Toyota doesn't over inflate their numbers like American manufacturers do.
Toyota Tacoma Double Cab 4x4
GVWR - 11,100lbs
- CURB - 4,155lbs
= 6,945lbs this number is higher than Tacoma's towing capacity.
Leaving 445lbs of cargo capacity assuming you are towing a 6,500 lb trailer. You might say "that doesn't take into consideration tongue weight though which is deducted from the GVWR." Your right, but you can't count the number twice. If you have a 6,500 lb trailer and it has a 650 lb hitch weight, when hooked up to the trailer you will still have 445 lbs left over for people and cargo. Because you are deducting the weight on the hitch from the trailer because it is no longer on the trailer now it is on the hitch. So in all actuality, the 6,500lb weight limit is pretty realistic.
I tow a roughly 6,200 lb trailer with my Tacoma a few times a month and put some decent amount of towing miles on it. The Tacoma tows very well for a mid sized truck, minimal sway, good brakes with a properly setup brake controller, and enough power to hold 65 on most grades being slowed to 55 on only the steepest grades at high altitude. Yea, if I get stuck behind a semi truck on a mountain grade passing becomes a chore, but it would for most small V8's towing the same trailer. When I'm towing I often think of how great a new Tundra with the 5.7 would be, but in reality it is just way to much truck for the other 20 days of the month for me.
__________________ 2007 Tacoma DC 4x4 V6 TRD Off-Road
Supersprings
TRD Exhaust
AFE Cold Air Intake
URD Short Throw Shifter
TRD Supercharger (coming soon)
1967 Toyota Land Cruiser FJ40
Springover
Rear Detriot Locker
Front ARB Locker
Longfield Super Axles
SM420 Transmission
Orion 4.1 Transfer Case
Chevy 327 V8
Teraflex Revolver Shackles Rear
Trail-Gear Six Shooter Knuckles
37x14.00 Super Swamper Bias Ply Irok's
**Just to name a few**
plus on a Tacoma you can't pull a 5th wheel since you have those plastic smc bed's.
I am not really suggesting pulling a 5th wheel with a Tacoma, most would quickly exceed the GVWR. But... 5th wheel's and Goosenecks are actually bolted to the frame not the bed. Yes 5th wheels sit on top of the bed, but are bolted to the frame and have huge metal spacers filling the gap between the fram and the bed. Think about it... If you had an F-450 with a 20,000 lb fiver, do you really think any bed would be able to handle the amount of torque and pressure that would be applied to it while braking and accelerating? I'd doubt it!
But your right, 5th wheel's are better suited for full size trucks, most are to big for even the 2nd gen Tundra's GVWR. However, the 2nd Gen Tundra is extemely over built so many people get away with fivers that are a little to big and have no problems at all.
__________________ 2007 Tacoma DC 4x4 V6 TRD Off-Road
Supersprings
TRD Exhaust
AFE Cold Air Intake
URD Short Throw Shifter
TRD Supercharger (coming soon)
1967 Toyota Land Cruiser FJ40
Springover
Rear Detriot Locker
Front ARB Locker
Longfield Super Axles
SM420 Transmission
Orion 4.1 Transfer Case
Chevy 327 V8
Teraflex Revolver Shackles Rear
Trail-Gear Six Shooter Knuckles
37x14.00 Super Swamper Bias Ply Irok's
**Just to name a few**
I am not really suggesting pulling a 5th wheel with a Tacoma, most would quickly exceed the GVWR. But... 5th wheel's and Goosenecks are actually bolted to the frame not the bed. Yes 5th wheels sit on top of the bed, but are bolted to the frame and have huge metal spacers filling the gap between the fram and the bed. Think about it... If you had an F-450 with a 20,000 lb fiver, do you really think any bed would be able to handle the amount of torque and pressure that would be applied to it while braking and accelerating? I'd doubt it!
But your right, 5th wheel's are better suited for full size trucks, most are to big for even the 2nd gen Tundra's GVWR. However, the 2nd Gen Tundra is extemely over built so many people get away with fivers that are a little to big and have no problems at all.
your right there and i've seen plenty of first gen Tundra pulling the 5th wheel without any issues. I feel for my type of truck use an Smc plastic bed doesn't cut it with me personal choice i guess like picking wood frame house vs steel..
P.s how do u like your highlander I love mine?
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Last edited by Tundrav8yamaha; 08-10-2008 at 01:45 PM.
Re: 1 gen vs 2nd gen
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.hell the Dodge Dakota has a v8 on there end. Even if sales say step up to a New Tundra with it's v8 many buyer's out there like the mid sized truck for easy of use and parking. Wile Tacoma has it's faults Toyota can raise the bar's now since the 4.7 liter can fit these truck engine bay's and the engine been around the block a wile.