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TacomaGeneral discussion forum for the 2005 and later Toyota Tacoma.
This is a discussion thread titled ""Clutch Start Cancel" switch?", within the Tacoma forum, part of the Truck Forums category.
For you guys with Manual trannies, can anyone explain situations where you would use it? While I use it when I need to warm up the truck with my ski or snowmobile boots on, I beleive its for tricky off-road situations. NOt sure why you would shut the truck off then restart using it in a nasty situation, maybe not to burn the clutch? The Owners manual explains nothing at all on its use. Thanks
the trucks we use off road dont even have the clutch switch but to answer your question from personal experience ...4x2 non LSD in mud....starting the truck in 1st/2nd and letting it idle out of the mud works great to get it moving...much easier to accelerate than to move off....using the clutch usually ends up in a nice burn smell or digging in after a little while....
Kevin
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Originally Posted by demoncleaner
For you guys with Manual trannies, can anyone explain situations where you would use it? While I use it when I need to warm up the truck with my ski or snowmobile boots on, I beleive its for tricky off-road situations. NOt sure why you would shut the truck off then restart using it in a nasty situation, maybe not to burn the clutch? The Owners manual explains nothing at all on its use. Thanks
I'd suggest always using the clutch start cancel switch. The "push the clutch to the floor" became popular to prevent people from running their vehicles into the next parked car when they started them and limiting liability for the maunfacturers. Unfortunately this practise puts incredible stress on the dry thrust bearing in your engine. Until the engine oil pressure comes up that's a metal on metal fit. Adding to the lack of lubrication, there's 1200-1600 lbs of force applied on that bearing to disengage the friction plate. When the clutch plates are engaged there's minimal pressure on the thrust bearing.
When starting a manual transmission vehicle, any time possible, override the clutch start switch. I've gone so far as to bypass this permanently in my standard transmission vehicles.
NOt sure why you would shut the truck off then restart using it in a nasty situation, maybe not to burn the clutch?
No one intends to stall out, especially when offroading. But it happens , especially on very steep & rocky inclines. Depending on the terrain, if you happen to stall out, rolling back might put you in a bad situation, -
- Imagine taking your truck up a steep set of stairs- If you don't give enough gas to make it up a step and stall out, you wouldn't want to roll back when you attempted to restart the engine.
Clutch Cancel start allows you to start the truck while still engaged (1st gear/4-LO)
That's why its in the manual 4wd tacomas and not the 2wd 5spd tacomas.
No one intends to stall out, especially when offroading. But it happens , especially on very steep & rocky inclines. Depending on the terrain, if you happen to stall out, rolling back might put you in a bad situation, -
- Imagine taking your truck up a steep set of stairs- If you don't give enough gas to make it up a step and stall out, you wouldn't want to roll back when you attempted to restart the engine.
Clutch Cancel start allows you to start the truck while still engaged (1st gear/4-LO)
That's why its in the manual 4wd tacomas and not the 2wd 5spd tacomas.
BINGO! I had it on my 86 Toy 4X4 and that is what I always used it for. Another rare situation would be if you were staled on railroad tracks and could not get it to start but it turns over you could leave it in gear and crank the engine to move the truck.
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I'd suggest always using the clutch start cancel switch. The "push the clutch to the floor" became popular to prevent people from running their vehicles into the next parked car when they started them and limiting liability for the maunfacturers. Unfortunately this practise puts incredible stress on the dry thrust bearing in your engine. Until the engine oil pressure comes up that's a metal on metal fit. Adding to the lack of lubrication, there's 1200-1600 lbs of force applied on that bearing to disengage the friction plate. When the clutch plates are engaged there's minimal pressure on the thrust bearing.
When starting a manual transmission vehicle, any time possible, override the clutch start switch. I've gone so far as to bypass this permanently in my standard transmission vehicles.
Jason
can anyone else verify this statement? i'm not questinioning your competency or anything, i'm new to manuals so i'm clueless about the logistics.
can anyone else verify this statement? i'm not questinioning your competency or anything, i'm new to manuals so i'm clueless about the logistics.
That's exactly what can happen. My '92 Nissan 240SX SE does not require the clutch pedal to be engaged to start it... if you attempt to start it while in gear, your car surges forward (or backwards if you happen to be in reverse). Every other manual I've ever driven requires the clutch to be used...
Personally, I like that my Nissan doesn't require the clutch to be depressed, so I'm happy to hear that the Taco's have a button that allows you to do the same thing. I hope mine has that option ('05 TRD Sport 4x4 DC) - Up here in Canada we tend to get different options available to us (ie: No Off-Road package in DC's! *sighs*)
I was in Costa Rican rain forrest a few years ago. I rented a 4runner from a local rental place. I was driving down a very muddy road and the engine died in the middle of a huge pool of muddy water. It was only about 6-8 inches deep, but i didn't want to get my feet all wet. I used the clutch cancel button while leaving the 4runner in first and lurched out of the pool of water. Fixed the 4runner and was on my way. I have also used the clutch cancel button many times while off-roading. Very handy to have.
Coldflame, thats that same truck I have ('05 TRD Sport 4x4 DC). It will have the clutch start cancel button. Now, have fun with stock 17' sport tires on snow and ice. ie.. look into Blizzaks asap.
I had a clutch cancel button on my 1991 Nissan Pathfinder. But I never knew how to use it. When I left it in 1st gear and pressed the clutch cancel button, right when I turned the starter over, the car would burp forward and die. So, I never used it. Obviously this is not the proper way to use the button.
Since it seemed (at the time) to be a useless button (i.e. what's the difference between pressing the button and depressing the clutch pedal) I just did the clutch pedal since it was easier. But now it seems that it saves wear and tear on the clutch (mentioned in a previous post) when starting in neutral? Is the only reason to force people to depress the clutch pedal for safety reasons?
But now it seems that it saves wear and tear on the clutch (mentioned in a previous post) when starting in neutral?
I have never (in 10 years, with 4 Toyota manual transmission trucks) had any problems with the clutch because I depressed the pedal instead of pressing the "clutch cancel" button. Keep on starting the way you normally would by depressing the clutch. Use the "cancel" button when it's needed. You're not going to create wear and tear anymore than normal by NOT depressing the clutch on startup.
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Coldflame, thats that same truck I have ('05 TRD Sport 4x4 DC). It will have the clutch start cancel button. Now, have fun with stock 17' sport tires on snow and ice. ie.. look into Blizzaks asap.
They're that bad are they? Great! Did you end up buying some Blizzaks or something comparable for yours? I'm used to driving my 240SX around in the winter on wet/dry performance all seasons (not snow tires by any means). I don't imagine it could be too much worse, cuz my car is awful in the snow (but really fun!). Love my drifting!
I don't understand why vehicle manufacturer's don't offer tire upgrades. I'd be willing to bet that a VERY large portion of purchasers would opt to upgrade the tires from the factory. They don't have to give a large selection, just something better.
No one intends to stall out, especially when offroading. But it happens , especially on very steep & rocky inclines. Depending on the terrain, if you happen to stall out, rolling back might put you in a bad situation, -
- Imagine taking your truck up a steep set of stairs- If you don't give enough gas to make it up a step and stall out, you wouldn't want to roll back when you attempted to restart the engine.
Clutch Cancel start allows you to start the truck while still engaged (1st gear/4-LO)
That's why its in the manual 4wd tacomas and not the 2wd 5spd tacomas.
To break it down...The ratio of your tranny when you're in 4LO is so low that essentially your starter motor is able to lurch the truck forward just enough to crank over the engine. And yes, we are talking extreme situations. On a hill, you stall it out..you don't want to roll back or burn up your clutch, you're already in 4LO 1st gear. Push the switch...one foot on the gas, and one should already be on the brake. Turn the key, let off the brake, and your truck will do the rest.
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"Clutch Start Cancel" switch?
Did you end up buying some Blizzaks or something comparable for yours? I'm used to driving my 240SX around in the winter on wet/dry performance all seasons (not snow tires by any means). I don't imagine it could be too much worse, cuz my car is awful in the snow (but really fun!). Love my drifting!
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