The last nut is closest to what was installed. However, it didn't have a taper that I can remember. It was just a straight nut.
Update: The dealership found that Weld sent the wrong lug nuts. They bottomed on the hub and that allowed the wheel to wobble and shear the studs. The shop is going to cover all repairs since they feel they should have caught the mistake. However, Weld is going to be responsible for the wheel. I'm going to try and get Weld to cover my rental as well.
And yes, I'm VERY blessed that something worse didn't happen.
Kevin
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Originally Posted by 57hotrodvw
Other than the fact that the following are locking lugs, which style is closest to the ones that you rec'd from Weld?
The last nut is closest to what was installed. However, it didn't have a taper that I can remember. It was just a straight nut.
Update: The dealership found that Weld sent the wrong lug nuts. They bottomed on the hub and that allowed the wheel to wobble and shear the studs. The shop is going to cover all repairs since they feel they should have caught the mistake. However, Weld is going to be responsible for the wheel. I'm going to try and get Weld to cover my rental as well.
And yes, I'm VERY blessed that something worse didn't happen.
Kevin
4WheelParts sent me the same style lug nuts (bottom ones on picture) when I purchased my Welds from them and I had the same problem where they were sitting on the wheel instead of going thru the hole of the wheel. Luckily I figured it out when I took the wheel off to adjust my DRs. There were a bunch of metal shavings coming down when I unscrewed the lugs and a stud even got loose. I started a thread about this problem and after a few feedbacks I bought new lugs that look more like the top ones in the picture. When you get the new lugs can you post some info/pictures of it? Mahalo!
Damn dude , Thats scary , Now all im going to be thinking about my wheels falling off for the next couple of days ,
thanks alot
Glad to see things are working out , Ive have my wheels off and on all the time so I get a chance to check up on things fairly often . Im going to be checking my studs better based on what Jon said .
4WheelParts sent me the same style lug nuts (bottom ones on picture) when I purchased my Welds from them and I had the same problem where they were sitting on the wheel instead of going thru the hole of the wheel. Luckily I figured it out when I took the wheel off to adjust my DRs. There were a bunch of metal shavings coming down when I unscrewed the lugs and a stud even got loose. I started a thread about this problem and after a few feedbacks I bought new lugs that look more like the top ones in the picture. When you get the new lugs can you post some info/pictures of it? Mahalo!
If the lug nuts that 4WP sent you were the same style and dimensions as the one below, I don't see how they could protrude past the back edge of the wheel. I dropped the "shanked" lug nut into the hole on the wheel, and the shank did not go deeper than the wheel was thick.
I originally rec'd the lug nuts in the top picture above, but the note included w/the wheels (from Weld) said not to use this type of lug nut on Toyota trucks w/the EVO's (in bold, capital letters)
It took me some wrangling to get the correct set of lug nuts, but I've had no problems. The Gorilla description and part number for these locks is "E-T/ULTRA STYLE (3/4)" - part number 68431N (this is for a set of four locks, whereas I got a full set of 24 locks, all keyed alike). See http://www.gorilla-auto.com/products...image=5803.jpg for addt'l info.
I'm glad to have the style of lug nuts that I do, because there is not much stud (read as thread engagement) when the wheels are mounted over the studs (thick wheel/shorter studs).
I'm not an engineer either, but I think the people that set the torque spec at 83 lbs probably were engineers, and to me, under-torquing sounds as bad as over-touquing.
Yes, under torquing is not good. Yes, the engineers who came up with the lug nut torque know what they are doing. I've been torquing lug nuts on my vehicles for 30 years and have never had any problems what so ever.
Most importantly, do NOT lub the lug nuts or studs unless it specifically says so. In general, ALL fastener torques are with DRY THREADS.
I sat on a jury where this very thing happened. A man test driving a new GMC Envoy with aftermarket wheels had the rear wheel fly off on the freeway. Caused a terrible accident resulting in very serious injuries (severe brain shear) to one young man. We awarded him 4 million dollars which the tire shop and dealership had to pay.
The tire store my family had used for years (20 plus) suddenly switched to using guys who couldn't speak English to do the tire work about 5 years ago I find it hard to believe they were trained experts. I guess they were cheaper. After one install where they botched it I never went back. Too bad for them, since with 3 cars and a lot of miles driven we buy about 2 sets a year.
I drove by recently and the tire store was gone. Be aware of who your wheel/tire dealer is using. Some of these guys just hire low wage monkeys and hope for the best. Check the torque yourself if you have doubts.
The tire store my family had used for years (20 plus) suddenly switched to using guys who couldn't speak English to do the tire work about 5 years ago I find it hard to believe they were trained experts. I guess they were cheaper. After one install where they botched it I never went back. Too bad for them, since with 3 cars and a lot of miles driven we buy about 2 sets a year.
I drove by recently and the tire store was gone. Be aware of who your wheel/tire dealer is using. Some of these guys just hire low wage monkeys and hope for the best. Check the torque yourself if you have doubts.
Sounds like that little plan of action... to save an almighty dollar... came back to bite them right square in the ares! I sure hope that tire shop "owner" didn't expect anything different.
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Re: Wheel fell off my '05
I sure hope that tire shop "owner" didn't expect anything different. 
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