Sorry...but I've never been one to sit idley by and take whatever is shoved down my throat...especially when I have nearly $30K of my hard-earned money at stake, and it's my money (and the money of many others) that makes Toyota a successful company. Additionally, I don't see why anyone would feel indebted to Toyota for allowing us to buy their products. I don't feel subserviant to them in the least.
Get rid of the truck?.....definitely a viable option I am considering.
Wait for the fix from the private sector?....Nah, I'd rather make Toyota live up to implying that their products are better than any others, and honor their warranty.
I don't know of any state that has a clause in their Lemon Law that specifically excludes Toyota from liability.
I feel your pain, but how are you planning to force a global giant to fix this problem when they don't give a f_ck? Good luck with that lemon law crap- I worked for GM for many years and people used to try that all the time. I think I maybe heard of two buy-backs in 8 yrs! Unless you can prove it is a major defect that affects the safety or value of the vehicle and WAS NOT PRESENT when you bought it, your screwed- it will be thrown out of court.
I feel your pain, but how are you planning to force a global giant to fix this problem when they don't give a f_ck? Good luck with that lemon law crap- I worked for GM for many years and people used to try that all the time. I think I maybe heard of two buy-backs in 8 yrs! Unless you can prove it is a major defect that affects the safety or value of the vehicle and WAS NOT PRESENT when you bought it, your screwed- it will be thrown out of court.
That's pathetic. I've just ordered 2007 tacoma and feel scared reading about problems which toyota doesn't seem to care about... I am going to cross fingers...
Patient persistence...and knowing WHO to call, and I'm not referring to the Customer Center. In addition, I reported the symptoms at 56 miles. I'm now at 8000 and nothing's been solved. Global giant? What happened to the "Global Giant" in regards to the engine sludge problem of the V6 in the 90's? They were found liable. What about the Global Giants of Firestone and the Wilderness tire deaths? There are lots of these types of cases.
To each of us, there is a "reasonable expectation" of quality and function, and legal recourse if a Global Giant is negligent in fulfilling their warranty promises.
If an old lady can collect a million dollars from McDonald's for spilling hot coffee on her snatch, I bet I can get my truck fixed by Toyota, whether the folks at Toyota give a f_ck or not.
I hope to get mine fixed as well. Just got my truck back from the dealer. They had it almost all week. They said there were no problem with it and was fine when they had it hooked up to the computer.Toyota will be hearing from me. Six months from now, I'll either be praising Toyota for standing by their product (fixing the downshift, wind noise, and TSB that didn't correct the valve tap)or still be trashing them. In my circles, their name has been dragged through the mud...
Patient persistence...and knowing WHO to call, and I'm not referring to the Customer Center. In addition, I reported the symptoms at 56 miles. I'm now at 8000 and nothing's been solved. Global giant? What happened to the "Global Giant" in regards to the engine sludge problem of the V6 in the 90's? They were found liable. What about the Global Giants of Firestone and the Wilderness tire deaths? There are lots of these types of cases.
To each of us, there is a "reasonable expectation" of quality and function, and legal recourse if a Global Giant is negligent in fulfilling their warranty promises.
If an old lady can collect a million dollars from McDonald's for spilling hot coffee on her snatch, I bet I can get my truck fixed by Toyota, whether the folks at Toyota give a f_ck or not.
While I admire your convictions, I'll take that bet( say a milkshake?). You may get them to buy back your truck just to shut you up, but you will never force them to "fix" the shifting or wind noise. Please don't think I'm being rude or arrogant, I've just been around the business too long. At my present job (non auto related) I've been forced to study Toyotas business model and quality process at great length- it's really kinda scary when you study it! They truly belive there is nothing wrong with their product, so what is there to fix? As far as the sludge problem from the past, they didn't belive there was a problem then either but, their goal was to become the #1 seller in the USA and to do that, they went above and beyond what they would normally do just to keep the momentum moving. It got many people to return to Toyota several times and that was the goal. Now, they want to "reap the benefits" of past practices so they will just live off of their reputation for several years without having to actually build high quality trucks. Lets look at Tacomas from the '90s- spartan,overbuilt trucks that didn't appeal to the masses. Now they are really cool eye candy and go like heck, but lets face it, in the long run if you use it for work or wheeling, your gonna have nothing but trouble. I use mine to go to work and home depot on saturday and the farthest I get off road is my front yard when I wash it- so it's a great truck for me!! So, you may get Toyota to take it off your hands, but you will NEVER get them to fix your "shifting"
Been a while since I checked in, but I took Maddog's #2 and traded mine for a Titan. To make up for the loss I took, I've simply been telling everyone in the market for a new vehicle my "Toyota experience". Out of 27 people I've talked to, I've managed to turn 23 away from Toyota (and still going) -- that's about $46,000 net I've taken away from their bottom line, not counting whatever friends they tell. I also plan to keep going and update my (former) Toyota Customer Service person as I keep increasing the number. The $46K may be a relatively small number to a company as large as Toyota, but eventually as more people tell their friends the cascade effect will catch up. BTW, Mudakas, there are no planned changes to the 07 drivetrain -- they're too busy getting the new Tundra straightened out. In any case, good luck.
Now, they want to "reap the benefits" of past practices so they will just live off of their reputation for several years without having to actually build high quality trucks. Lets look at Tacomas from the '90s- spartan,overbuilt trucks that didn't appeal to the masses. Now they are really cool eye candy and go like heck, but lets face it, in the long run if you use it for work or wheeling, your gonna have nothing but trouble. I use mine to go to work and home depot on saturday and the farthest I get off road is my front yard when I wash it- so it's a great truck for me!! So, you may get Toyota to take it off your hands, but you will NEVER get them to fix your "shifting"
I cannot believe they (Toyota) being so stupid. If the quality goes down in several years it would be super difficult to regain it back.
Been a while since I checked in, but I took Maddog's #2 and traded mine for a Titan. To make up for the loss I took, I've simply been telling everyone in the market for a new vehicle my "Toyota experience". Out of 27 people I've talked to, I've managed to turn 23 away from Toyota (and still going) -- that's about $46,000 net I've taken away from their bottom line, not counting whatever friends they tell. I also plan to keep going and update my (former) Toyota Customer Service person as I keep increasing the number. The $46K may be a relatively small number to a company as large as Toyota, but eventually as more people tell their friends the cascade effect will catch up. BTW, Mudakas, there are no planned changes to the 07 drivetrain -- they're too busy getting the new Tundra straightened out. In any case, good luck.
I was looking at other pick-up trucks, but couldn’t find anything close to Tacoma (for my taste). Btw I am getting 6 speed DC with trd off road + sport here in Canada. Still have 4-5 weeks to reconsider my mind.
My opinions are just that- my opinions. They are based on 25 years in and around the auto industry. I am a ASE master tech as well as a aircraft A&P. I only mention this so maybe you won't think I'm a total idiot when I open my blow hole. IMHO, I belive all manufacturers shoot for a vehicle-car or truck, that will last 8-10 yrs or 120K while being use in a fasion that the "normal user" will use it. Does that mean crawling thru mud or over rocks? absolutly not. it means going back and forth to work, going shopping and taking a trip once in a while partially loaded. All the while preforming in a fasion that MOST of the owners find ACCEPTABLE- not the greatest truck ever built.
Been a while since I checked in, but I took Maddog's #2 and traded mine for a Titan. To make up for the loss I took, I've simply been telling everyone in the market for a new vehicle my "Toyota experience". Out of 27 people I've talked to, I've managed to turn 23 away from Toyota (and still going) -- that's about $46,000 net I've taken away from their bottom line, not counting whatever friends they tell. I also plan to keep going and update my (former) Toyota Customer Service person as I keep increasing the number. The $46K may be a relatively small number to a company as large as Toyota, but eventually as more people tell their friends the cascade effect will catch up. BTW, Mudakas, there are no planned changes to the 07 drivetrain -- they're too busy getting the new Tundra straightened out. In any case, good luck.
Please don't take this the wrong way I'm not slamming or disbelieving you in any way shape or form, but the way I read this you know 27 people who bought new vehicles and 23 of those 27 bought something other than Toyota based on your recommendations? They were definetly getting a Toyota but didn't based on what you told them? What time frame are we talking about here? What did they end up buying? Are these fleet buyers? Just curious.
Please don't take this the wrong way I'm not slamming or disbelieving you in any way shape or form, but the way I read this you know 27 people who bought new vehicles and 23 of those 27 bought something other than Toyota based on your recommendations? They were definetly getting a Toyota but didn't based on what you told them? What time frame are we talking about here? What did they end up buying? Are these fleet buyers? Just curious.
Nothing personal taken... A lot of my job involves detailed analysis and consultation from engineering and business perspectives, as well as 20 years of aircraft maintenance (F-16s). Ironically, one area I still specialize in is 'Lean', one of the components of the Toyota Production System. Most had considered Toyota as their most likely choice (for various reasons), and some were looking to replace an old Toyota for a new one. This is over the last two months or so, and there's no particular brand anyone bought -- I don't steer them toward any particular brand since each has different pros and cons depending on the type of vehicle. As far as I know, none were fleet buyers -- just people I met.
When I meet people (not while consulting since I have ethical lines I won't cross) and have a chance, I describe my experience -- the good and the bad. I met a number of folks while at the Toyota dealerships (I don't sit around in the waiting room), and some at other dealerships when I had decided to trade in my Tacoma. In a number of cases, people simply approached me when they saw my Tacoma, and now Titan, to ask what I think of it. If other people I meet mention they are in the market for a vehicle, then I describe the various sources of research they can use and trends they should look for. If I've already researched the vehicle, then we talk about the various pros and cons of each vehicle. People tend to believe me since I'm simply factual about what I describe -- no anger or emotion -- and that I'm objective since I describe pros and cons of each. In the case of the Tacoma, one thing I tell people is that when I bought it, I thought I had done enough research since Toyota has such a great reputation. I then let that serve as a reminder that even 'great' companies have trends, and those trends to worsen when a company 'forgets' what their success is based on.
So, believe it or not , the short of it is that I talk to people (even people I've never met) and they simply tend to believe me.
Got it.
We've been messing with the LEAN concept where I'm stationed (Naval Shipyard) for awhile now. I'm sorry about working on F16's for so long . Go Naval aviation!! I'm a Nuke and don't fly or work on airplanes but I have spent allot time on the bridge sending them off the front of a CVN (and picking most of them up on the back end ).
This is interesting to me as well. I have the '05 Access cab w/5sp auto and have noticed the shifting issues. There has also been a hesitation then quick downshift when I hit the gas to pass, etc. Would be interested to see if anything comes out about this from Toyota.
I Am Having Alot Of The Same Problems Mostly During Acceleration, Has There Been Any Further Developments With This Issue Like A Tsb, I Haven't Found Any Thing On This Site..anyone Know Anything New???
Re: Toyota addresses Tacoma transmission
, the short of it is that I talk to people (even people I've never met) and they simply tend to believe me.
. Go Naval aviation!!
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