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This is a discussion thread titled "Tire wear - wheel alignment ?", within the Tires and Wheels forum, part of the Technical & Vehicle Assistance Forums category.
Both front tires are wearing on the outsides......
Steering wheel is cocked to the left......
AND truck drifts to the right.......
I had it aligned right after I installed the lift.
After about 1,000 miles I noticed the tires wearing, so
I brought the truck back and he said he fixed it, well it's
still doing the same thing....and brand new tires are
wearing already.....what part of the alignment is off
with all those problems ? Thanks
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2007 Tundra 5.7 4x4 SR5 TRD Offroad Package
3" Toytec Lift with Add-a-Leaf
305/65-18 BFG A/T KO
5% Tinted Windows
Truxedo Truxsport Tonneau Cover
Both front tires are wearing on the outsides......
Steering wheel is cocked to the left......
AND truck drifts to the right.......
I had it aligned right after I installed the lift.
After about 1,000 miles I noticed the tires wearing, so
I brought the truck back and he said he fixed it, well it's
still doing the same thing....and brand new tires are
wearing already.....what part of the alignment is off
with all those problems ? Thanks
i had the same problem but with the steering wheel cocked to the right. the truck tracked straight when letting go of the wheel. made them straighten the steering wheel. you should have took it back as soon as you noticed it was wrong. others here said theirs pulled to one side and they swapped front wheels. i would take it to another alignment shop and make sure its right,because those tires are not cheap. did you get the lift and tires at the same time or the lift first and then tires?
Both front tires are wearing on the outsides......
Steering wheel is cocked to the left......
AND truck drifts to the right.......
I had it aligned right after I installed the lift.
After about 1,000 miles I noticed the tires wearing, so
I brought the truck back and he said he fixed it, well it's
still doing the same thing....and brand new tires are
wearing already.....what part of the alignment is off
with all those problems ? Thanks
Some Tundras are bent (mine was) and require cross-caster to drive straight. That problem is independent of the lift, and requires a mechanic who knows how to do more than just align to specs to fix. It's not rocket science, just a willingness to put in some cross-caster rather than make both sides the same. Now if your truck isn't bent, then a normal alignment should fix the drift. Also, if it drove straight before changing tires/lift, then obviously that is the source of your problem.
Wearing on the outside is a classic symptom of not correcting the camber after a spacer lift. Cocked steering wheel is a simple correction of the toe. Both of these problems should be fixed with a proper alignment.
No offense, but it sounds like your shop isn't very good at alignments. Lots of people here with comparable lifts and tires that drive straight with good wear. I have 20K on my 305/65/18 BFG AT and they look great with equal wear all the way across. I rotate every 5K.
__________________ 07 DC SR5 TRD 4x4 5.7 TRD exhaust, 33K miles, 17 mpg city after battery disconnect reset & removing extra (charcoal?) air filter. Truxedo Lo-Pro with deck rails.
Rear Susp: ProComp ES3000 #326510 (2.25" taller than stock), 1.25" blocks plus PRG mini-pack (http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forum...and-new-truck/) gives 2.25" total lift, parking brake cable bracket spacers, wheel well height 43."
Front diff and rear ds drop; trailer hitch electrical harness tucked up above bumper.
After 20K miles swapped 305/65/18 BFG AT for 285/75/18 Toyo AT, still on stock 18x8x60 offset TRD wheels, about 1/8" clearance to sway bar. Like the extra height but miss the width. Next time either 305/70/18 or 35x12.50/18.
Added 5th 285/75/18 Toyo AT as spare. Foam pad above spare to help with bed bounce.
Bed Bounce: Stiffer E-tires are worse than stock P-metric; biggest improvement from PRG mini-pack, slight improvement from shocks and foam pad above spare. Still a stiff ride but tolerable now.
Best things about this truck: 5.7 and transmission, interior size and comfort, very quiet at high speed.
Worst things about this truck: bed bounce, no VSC in 4wd, mileage sucks above 70.
Mine took a total of 5 trips to 2 different alignment shops for them to get it right, after I installed the lift.
The 1st (Dealer) gave up after 3x, and paid for me to visit the second (Les Scwab) which got it on the 2nd time.
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Beer please!
Unknown - "The biological purpose of pain is to prevent the recurrence of stupidity."
Hope I can chime in and ask a question.........not wanting to take anything from the original poster's effort to find help.
My steering wheel will shake. obviously tires are too then, when I get to roughly 60 mph and then stop at roughly 67 mph. Doesn't do it below or above those numbers. What causes that?
Hope I can chime in and ask a question.........not wanting to take anything from the original poster's effort to find help.
My steering wheel will shake. obviously tires are too then, when I get to roughly 60 mph and then stop at roughly 67 mph. Doesn't do it below or above those numbers. What causes that?
Your front balance is probably off about 1/2 an ounce on one or both of your tires.
__________________ 07 DC SR5 TRD 4x4 5.7 TRD exhaust, 33K miles, 17 mpg city after battery disconnect reset & removing extra (charcoal?) air filter. Truxedo Lo-Pro with deck rails.
Rear Susp: ProComp ES3000 #326510 (2.25" taller than stock), 1.25" blocks plus PRG mini-pack (http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forum...and-new-truck/) gives 2.25" total lift, parking brake cable bracket spacers, wheel well height 43."
Front diff and rear ds drop; trailer hitch electrical harness tucked up above bumper.
After 20K miles swapped 305/65/18 BFG AT for 285/75/18 Toyo AT, still on stock 18x8x60 offset TRD wheels, about 1/8" clearance to sway bar. Like the extra height but miss the width. Next time either 305/70/18 or 35x12.50/18.
Added 5th 285/75/18 Toyo AT as spare. Foam pad above spare to help with bed bounce.
Bed Bounce: Stiffer E-tires are worse than stock P-metric; biggest improvement from PRG mini-pack, slight improvement from shocks and foam pad above spare. Still a stiff ride but tolerable now.
Best things about this truck: 5.7 and transmission, interior size and comfort, very quiet at high speed.
Worst things about this truck: bed bounce, no VSC in 4wd, mileage sucks above 70.
Your front balance is probably off about 1/2 an ounce on one or both of your tires.
Just to back this up...I concur.
And, if you're still on the stock wheels and tires, your dealer will check and rebalance for no charge, it is under warranty...
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Beer please!
Unknown - "The biological purpose of pain is to prevent the recurrence of stupidity."
Both front tires are wearing on the outsides......
Steering wheel is cocked to the left......
AND truck drifts to the right.......
I had it aligned right after I installed the lift.
After about 1,000 miles I noticed the tires wearing, so
I brought the truck back and he said he fixed it, well it's
still doing the same thing....and brand new tires are
wearing already.....what part of the alignment is off
with all those problems ? Thanks
I know that one of the problem seems to be with the TRD tires. The sidewalls on this tire are some of the weakest I've ever seen. BFG all terrain K/O's have less sidewall bulge at 25PSI then these tires do at 40PSI.
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2007 Tundra 5.7 6-spd 2wd
Silver, double cab, short bed
TRD package
bayou39, have them rotate the tires too, preferably before they re-align,if there is already noticible wear even if they correct the alignment the tires will make it act like it is out of alignment/
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2007 Salsa Red Limited Crewmax
Nav, Sonar, 20" Carved Wheels
Born in TEXAS Built by TEXANS
Both front tires are wearing on the outsides......
Steering wheel is cocked to the left......
AND truck drifts to the right.......
I had it aligned right after I installed the lift.
After about 1,000 miles I noticed the tires wearing, so
I brought the truck back and he said he fixed it, well it's
still doing the same thing....and brand new tires are
wearing already.....what part of the alignment is off
with all those problems ? Thanks
post your alignment spec and someone can tell you what was done wrong, DJ Alignment specs would be a wise choice to follow and you can bet it will have a straight steering wheel and tire wear will stabilize! just run a search or post your specs!! http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/639024-post2/ you are paying for alignment so make them align it to your specs and do not accept a cocked wheel! http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forum...j-s-alignment/
read a little about alignments, this is not a hard job unless tech has not been trained!
Yup...read DJ's explanations. The numbers might come out different for your 07 than for the 1st-gens, but the theory is sound. It sounds like camber might be too positive, toe might be too positive, and caster isn't equal.
Dan, did you get in an accident? Why's your truck bent?
Normally camber and caster should be exactly the same on both sides. You'll feel a difference of a couple tenths of a degree, the truck will pull a little.
With toe, you'll notice a tenth of a degree. Like caster and camber, it should be the same both sides.
The adjustments are so small, but they make a huge difference at 75mph.
The numbers should never be different side to side unless something is bent, or your rear axle isn't mounted correctly, etc...
The only thing that usually changes side to side is the position of the alignment cams, for example if you are using a lift kit with "infinitely adjustable" ride height (ie threaded body) and one side is higher than the other.
Dan, did you get in an accident? Why's your truck bent?
"Many" 07 Tundras are bent; several have posted about this on this forum besides me.
I test drove 4 that drove straight, but the one equipped closest to the way I wanted pulled right. I mistakenly thought it could easily be corrected, but 3 failed attempts by Toyota proved me wrong. They did the usual tire changes, etc., but ended up paying me to go to an independent shop who was willing to put in 1 degree cross caster in order to drive straight. Technically, it's still within acceptable specs, but it definitely doesn't match side-to-side. 20,000 miles of perfect tire wear suggests whatever alignment I have is correct. More importantly, it drives perfectly straight with no hands on the wheel.
As I said, others have reported similar problems and solutions. Toyota has our cases documented, but I have never heard if the exact cause has been found or corrected on current production.
__________________ 07 DC SR5 TRD 4x4 5.7 TRD exhaust, 33K miles, 17 mpg city after battery disconnect reset & removing extra (charcoal?) air filter. Truxedo Lo-Pro with deck rails.
Rear Susp: ProComp ES3000 #326510 (2.25" taller than stock), 1.25" blocks plus PRG mini-pack (http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forum...and-new-truck/) gives 2.25" total lift, parking brake cable bracket spacers, wheel well height 43."
Front diff and rear ds drop; trailer hitch electrical harness tucked up above bumper.
After 20K miles swapped 305/65/18 BFG AT for 285/75/18 Toyo AT, still on stock 18x8x60 offset TRD wheels, about 1/8" clearance to sway bar. Like the extra height but miss the width. Next time either 305/70/18 or 35x12.50/18.
Added 5th 285/75/18 Toyo AT as spare. Foam pad above spare to help with bed bounce.
Bed Bounce: Stiffer E-tires are worse than stock P-metric; biggest improvement from PRG mini-pack, slight improvement from shocks and foam pad above spare. Still a stiff ride but tolerable now.
Best things about this truck: 5.7 and transmission, interior size and comfort, very quiet at high speed.
Worst things about this truck: bed bounce, no VSC in 4wd, mileage sucks above 70.
Last edited by DanielAcosta; 01-28-2008 at 08:18 PM.
"Many" 07 Tundras are bent; several have posted about this on this forum besides me.
I test drove 4 that drove straight, but the one equipped closest to the way I wanted pulled right. I mistakenly thought it could easily be corrected, but 3 failed attempts by Toyota proved me wrong. They did the usual tire changes, etc., but ended up paying me to go to an independent shop who was willing to put in 1 degree cross caster in order to drive straight. Technically, it's still within acceptable specs, but it definitely doesn't match side-to-side. 20,000 miles of perfect tire wear suggests whatever alignment I have is correct. More importantly, it drives perfectly straight with no hands on the wheel.
As I said, others have reported similar problems and solutions. Toyota has our cases documented, but I have never heard if the exact cause has been found or corrected on current production.
Part's don't just bend sitting on dealer lots. If any tundra's are actually bent (ie. has proof) then they must be letting test drivers take jumps on their drives.
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2007 Tundra 5.7 6-spd 2wd
Silver, double cab, short bed
TRD package
Part's don't just bend sitting on dealer lots. If any tundra's are actually bent (ie. has proof) then they must be letting test drivers take jumps on their drives.
Or more likely something on the frame is a bit off from the assembly line, something that isn't obvious from a normal alignment. I've done some rigorous off-roading in my 20K miles with the truck, and nothing has changed. I don't think someone is going to bend the truck driving it unless they have a collision.
__________________ 07 DC SR5 TRD 4x4 5.7 TRD exhaust, 33K miles, 17 mpg city after battery disconnect reset & removing extra (charcoal?) air filter. Truxedo Lo-Pro with deck rails.
Rear Susp: ProComp ES3000 #326510 (2.25" taller than stock), 1.25" blocks plus PRG mini-pack (http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forum...and-new-truck/) gives 2.25" total lift, parking brake cable bracket spacers, wheel well height 43."
Front diff and rear ds drop; trailer hitch electrical harness tucked up above bumper.
After 20K miles swapped 305/65/18 BFG AT for 285/75/18 Toyo AT, still on stock 18x8x60 offset TRD wheels, about 1/8" clearance to sway bar. Like the extra height but miss the width. Next time either 305/70/18 or 35x12.50/18.
Added 5th 285/75/18 Toyo AT as spare. Foam pad above spare to help with bed bounce.
Bed Bounce: Stiffer E-tires are worse than stock P-metric; biggest improvement from PRG mini-pack, slight improvement from shocks and foam pad above spare. Still a stiff ride but tolerable now.
Best things about this truck: 5.7 and transmission, interior size and comfort, very quiet at high speed.
Worst things about this truck: bed bounce, no VSC in 4wd, mileage sucks above 70.
Thanks for all of the replies, I have been on here in a few days.
I've been there twice already and its still doing the same thing.
He was just a local repair shop that I brought it to. I'm going to
rotate the tires and bring it to Toyota I think. I also did have a minor
accident on the right side, which is wearing more, around the same
time that I did the lift and tires, hope I didnt bend anything. I will
let toyota check it out. thanks
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2007 Tundra 5.7 4x4 SR5 TRD Offroad Package
3" Toytec Lift with Add-a-Leaf
305/65-18 BFG A/T KO
5% Tinted Windows
Truxedo Truxsport Tonneau Cover
Tire wear - wheel alignment ?
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