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This is a discussion thread titled "Smoother ride? LTX A/T or BFG AT KO", within the Tires and Wheels forum, part of the Technical & Vehicle Assistance Forums category.
I had a set of BFG AT KO`s on a 4Runner I traded in for the TUNDRA and they had awesome traction.The sidewalls had strength for airing down to go on the beach and for helping keep my 28 foot travel trailer straight.One downside was the harsh ride on that vehicle with these tires.I was wondering if the Michelin LTX A/T`s have a smoother ride or will the BFG`s ride nice on my TUNDRA with the Off-Road pkg.? Both tires have the same load range and the size would be 265/75/16`s.I want to lean torwards the BFG`s because of sidewall strength but I need your feedback before I shake my teeth out of my head!
Also, I was putting in 30 psi in the BFG`s with the 4Runner.
Thanks for any input.
I had a set of BFG AT KO`s on a 4Runner I traded in for the TUNDRA and they had awesome traction.The sidewalls had strength for airing down to go on the beach and for helping keep my 28 foot travel trailer straight.One downside was the harsh ride on that vehicle with these tires.I was wondering if the Michelin LTX A/T`s have a smoother ride or will the BFG`s ride nice on my TUNDRA with the Off-Road pkg.? Both tires have the same load range and the size would be 265/75/16`s.I want to lean torwards the BFG`s because of sidewall strength but I need your feedback before I shake my teeth out of my head!
Also, I was putting in 30 psi in the BFG`s with the 4Runner.
Thanks for any input.
I like BFGs specifically for the sidewall strength. Ill be getting a set for my Tundra soon. Ive always thought BFGs rode nice also.....just adjust your air pressure for your load.
I have 275/70R16 BFG AT KO's on my Tundra now, with about 15K miles on them. My truck rides really smooth with them, and they have been wearing great. We've had 3 feet of snow in 3 weeks, and the tires have performed well in the snow. No complaints, though my next set of tires on my tundra will be the bridgestone REVO's. I just put a set on my wife's 4Runner and man do those things handle great. The REVO's look really tough and have tons of traction.
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I don't know about the LTX's but the difference between the KO's and the Rugged Trails is night and day! The ride firmed up quite a bit and the stiffer sidewall makes it actually handle well instead of wallowing through turns. The KO's aren't loud, IMO, and have been great for this winter. Happy with the KO's.
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Thank you for sharing the difference between the KO's and the Rugged Trails. Actually I didn't know and was searching for it to my friends. And great to know that KO's are better than the other.
I have 2 sets of LTXAT2's and they are not bad ride for an AT tire and since Michelin also makes BFG's i suspect not too much of a difference? The BFG T/A KO is a little more aggresive looking it seems but as far as durability i strongly feel they will be close. I see Michelin also has a couple other LTX tires and did not know which you were refering to so i would suggest AT2's if ya did not wanta get stuck in wet grass! I have not had either set too long but they are decent in hard pack and loose stukf also here in NM! I feel the smoother ride will be the LTXAT2's myself and ii know they are quieter than the BFG's but if your looking for a more aggresive tire go with the T/A KO's ! Michelin owns BFG so tires are going to be similar and they are in ways!
I have a pic of my AT'2s in my album but it should be against the law for them to be so clean! It only happens during rotations!! I clean both sides and i use Michelin 3 in 1 products to detail both sides!
I have 2 sets of LTXAT2's and they are not bad ride for an AT tire and since Michelin also makes BFG's i suspect not too much of a difference? The BFG T/A KO is a little more aggresive looking it seems but as far as durability i strongly feel they will be close. I see Michelin also has a couple other LTX tires and did not know which you were refering to so i would suggest AT2's if ya did not wanta get stuck in wet grass! I have not had either set too long but they are decent in hard pack and loose stukf also here in NM! I feel the smoother ride will be the LTXAT2's myself and ii know they are quieter than the BFG's but if your looking for a more aggresive tire go with the T/A KO's ! Michelin owns BFG so tires are going to be similar and they are in ways!
I have a pic of my AT'2s in my album but it should be against the law for them to be so clean! It only happens during rotations!! I clean both sides and i use Michelin 3 in 1 products to detail both sides!
Hogwild,
Did you get the 4-ply or 10-ply (load range E) tires?
Thanks
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I just installed Good Year Silent Armor 285/75-16 and could not be happier. I ran BFG's until my teeth fell out and LTX's with no complaints but the good year tires are my new favorite. Kevlar something something in them rides like a cushy road tire but tread pattern like a BFG.
The LTXs are smooth and quiet...I've really appreciated them, on the vehicles I've driven so equipped.
All BFG AT/KO tires have a three-ply sidewall (not tread ply rating, three physical sidewall plies). They are significantly stronger than most other tires, but I would bet will ride stiffer as well.
Make sure you're running the correct pressure in your tires...not too much, not too little...use the chalk and heat tests to be sure. Whoever said 30#, you're in the ballpark.
If you're not actively running offroad over sharp rocks, roots and other obstacles and debris, the LTX might be a more comfortable tire assuming it will suffice on the back of the truck with a loaded trailer. Lowering tire pressure on sand will make more difference than sidewall strength and tread pattern...I've seen plenty of Subarus running around in the sand at low pressure, while trucks with big, aggressive tires dig in at street pressure.
I've been doing a lot of reading trying to figure this one out too. I'm torn between the BFG KO's and the Mich LTX A/T2's. I've used the KO's many times on other vehicles and love them, but my Tundra is driven mostly on the highway with the occassional dirt road or two track. I'm leaning towards the LTX because from what i've read they are quieter and provide just as much traction as the KO's. I've also been told to look at the Yokohama Geolander A/T's, but from what I've read, those are a good choice but probably remain in third place between the three brands. We'll see what happens. Thanks to everyone for posting some input. This has helped me make a decision.
We'll see what happens. Thanks to everyone for posting some input. This has helped me make a decision.
One thing to take into account when looking at the AT2's (or the Pirelli ATR, or the Dueler REVO) is that they don't come in a Load C rated tire. You can either get a 4-Ply passenger tire or a 10-Ply Load E range tire. That's it.
The tundra is a "Light Truck", not a passenger vehicle in my opinion. I was dead-set on the AT2's until I found that the don't make it in a LT (Light truck, Load C, 6-ply) tire. And I'm definitely not setting my truck on a Load E tire. I like a smooth ride.
I e-mailed Michelin asking why they don't make a Load C in the AT2, and they responded very quickly stating that it may be available in a Load C Range by mid to late 2009. I can't wait that long, so Firestone Destination A/T's here I come. (I can't believe I'm even considering a Firestone... oh well, it sounds like a good tire from all the reviews).
I don't understand how these brands don't make a 6-ply ALL TERRAIN tire There are a lot of full-size trucks on the road last time I checked. I must be missing something...
Ryan
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I'm in the same situation. I was dead set on getting the AT2's until I found out they only come on P-rated or E-load. I'll go with the Yokohama ATS. Too bad about the Michelin, they make a great tire.
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Now correct me if i'm wrong, but I believe the Yokohama's are also P rated. And just because the tire is P rated doesn't mean it can't be used on our trucks. Both the Mich AT-2's and the Yok AT's are advertised as light truck tires even know they may carry the "P" rating. It's on their websites. And also I think that the BFG tires that came stock on my truck are P rated. I know that I should care about the rating if I'm giong to haul a large trailer or carry a ton (1/2 ton) of payload, but If I'm not, does it matter? I guess I'd find a reputable tire dealer and ask some questions...
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Smoother ride? LTX A/T or BFG AT KO
oh well, it sounds like a good tire from all the reviews).
There are a lot of full-size trucks on the road last time I checked. I must be missing something...
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