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33x 11.5x16 LT thornbird tires, 16.0x9.0 american racing rims - mohave

Does anyone know if the above would be compatable with limited edition tundra 03 17 in. rims?

I was told $2300 damage was from the tires and rims?
Should I look into getting an adapter?

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Default Re: Question about tires (thornbird)

That size will fit but get anything, ANYTHING, other than Thornbirds. Interco makes a bunch of good tread patterns, the SSR, TrXus MT and others come in 285/75/16 as well as 305/70/16. Bonus is the SSR and TrXus are radials as well...they will perform much better on a DD truck than Thornbirds or any other bias ply tire.

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*waitasec...* Sorry, didn't understand what you meant by damage til I saw your other post.

If you get an adapter, it will only make the problem worse, as you'll be offsetting the tire further and increasing the load on the bearings. A buddy here at work had a bearing recently fail on a Fabtech kit, probably a similar issue, but not necessarily the wheel and tire...probably a poorly installed bearing, or a poor fit in the spindle (you have a 5" lift with a new spindle, correct?). I didn't see you already had the tires and thought "damage" was the price tag for those rims and tires.

While Thornbirds aren't the head of the class, they shouldn't have eaten your bearings all by themselves. They only weigh 60#, your rotating weight is probably about 85#. Right now I'm running a 35x12.5 tire on an aluminum rim, I'm pretty sure the combo is close to the weight you're running, but a higher rotating inertia from the larger diameter. I'm also running a total backspacing of 3", and haven't had a problem with bearings in the OEM spindles in the roughly 30K miles I've been running this setup.

Personally I would be more concerned with the spindles than the wheel & tire combo, unless your wheels/tires were horribly out of balance...after they've sat a while, any bias ply tire gets a little square until you drive a few miles, but I'd be surprised if that's the root cause. If they really think it's the tires, start by getting a radial replacement...the two I mentioned above are good starts if you want to stick with an Interco. Otherwise, have the replacement spindle checked for accuracy on the mating surface, and make sure a reputable shop does the presswork to install the bearing and hub.

Alignment might also have a part in this, you'd have to ask DJ for certain but I would guess if your camber is off too much it'll wear the bearing incorrectly and lead to premature failure as well.
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$2300 Damage??
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Default Re: Question about tires (thornbird)

Thanks for the info, do you think it would be okay to keep the tires & rims that I have if I make sure the camber & hub ...ect... are in good shape?

Just to clarify the parts replaced (damage) were the wheel bearing, snapring, seal, spacer, reluctor rotor, ABS sensor, hub & LF steering knuckle.

And could you tell me how a camber kit works.... on trucks?
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Personally, I would light those tires on fire and huck 'em off a high bridge in to a deep river, if it weren't dangerous, dirty and probably illegal somehow. Maybe one of those bridges over in Wheeling . Seriously, the tires aren't doing you any favors, but I'd be amazed if they were the root of the problem.

That's some impressive damage, sorry to hear it took out that much! I'm surprised some of it was replaced...mainly the sensor, reluctor, hub and knuckle...if it was all damaged, you really did a number on the parts. The guy at work had to replace most of the same stuff you did...the wheel locked up on the highway .

The new bearing should do the trick, as long as it was assembled correctly .

Camber is the measurement in degrees of how much the tire leans out or in. It shouldn't be much off zero degrees, on the positive side, for a Tundra. I'd be surprised if it were alignment at all, more likely the bearing wasn't installed properly the first time.

It should work fine, now, hopefully, unless the bearing wasn't installed correctly.

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Default Re: Question about tires (thornbird)

Thanks for the reply,

Now I understand. The hub was amazing, there was chunks taken out of it...

I had my stock tires lock up on me after I had someone put the lift on. They payed to fix it then but that was about 7 months ago. I wasn't sure if the damage I had now was an offset or that.

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Thanks for the reply,

Now I understand. The hub was amazing, there was chunks taken out of it...

I had my stock tires lock up on me after I had someone put the lift on. They payed to fix it then but that was about 7 months ago. I wasn't sure if the damage I had now was an offset or that.

Sounds like either the spindle wasn't quite right, or the installer damaged the bearing putting it in. Was it the same side, both times? That would suggest to me a bad spindle. If it was a different side each time, then I'd suspect the installer.
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