Just got my November 2007 Trailer Life magazine and on the front cover is a 2007 Tundra Double cab SR5 2WD Std bed, towing a fifth wheel trailer.
It was towing a new Pacific Coachworks Tango fifth wheel. Mdl 2660RKS.
With a dry pin weight of 1,000 lbs and a dry weight of 6280, I'd say it is a good match. Camping weight will probably be around 7400 lbs and the hitch weight 1400 lbs. Both within the limits of a DC Tundra. Not a lot left over for cargo in the truck, so you'd have to have a light family.
How do you find the hitch weight capacity of the Tundra. I dont see it on the Toyota site. I show the Gross Wt of my truck to be 7200# and the curb wt to be 5645. Does this mean I can only have a load of 1555lbs? So hitch weight, people weight and anything else (including fuel) cannot exceed the 1555?
I have the DC 5.7 with a long bed. I have found a good deal on a 5th wheel camper. It shows a dry weight of 7770 and a hitch weight of 1565. I know I will never load it to the 10900 GVWR but my concern is that hitch weight and I certainly want to be safe. Is the hitch weight the camper manufacturer lists, a dry weight?
I appreciate your comments on this combination. Thanks
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07 Tundra Super White- Double Cab- Long Bed 4x4 Running Boards Other rides 2005 Prius & 2001 Sienna. Towing 2006 Forest River 5th Wheel.
You have it all right. Excpet don't go by the brochure numbers. Your cargo carrying capacity is conveniently provided right on your truck. Go and look at the placards on the driver's side door. Should be one that reads "total weight of all cargo and occupants should not exceed xxxx" or words to that effect. That is the cargo capacity of YOUR truck. Likely will be less than 1555 lbs that the brochure numbers indicate.
The pin weight for the fifth wheel you are looking at is the dry pin weight. A good rule of thumb for many trailers is to add 1,000 lbs to the dry weight and that will be close to your camping weight without fluids. In your case, about 9,000 lbs. For a 5er, take 20% of that and that should be close to your loaded pin weight, or 1800 lbs in your case. You will far exceed your cargo capacity, GVWR and likely your rear axle weight rating with that 5er. You have to add a 200 lbs hitch to the bed of the truck and that will further reduce your cargo capacity. I would guesstimate you would exceed your GVWR by 500 lbs without anyone in the truck. You would also likely exceed the rear axle weight rating with no one in the truck. You need to look at a lighter trailer or a bigger truck.
Tom, Please advise me on my numbers. I am looking at a 4500# 5th wheel, dry. My 07 Tundra capacity weight is listed at 1255. I think I am over. What do you say? Thanks
Depending on what you plan to have in the truck, I'd say you're in the ballpark. A 4500 lbs 5er is very light. What model are you looking at? It should have a pin weight of no less than 675 lbs, but likely closer to 900 lbs. That leaves you a little bit of room on your GVWR.
I have never said this before, but I don't believe the 2007 GVWR numbers. I'm not sure what I would do if I owned one. I am reticent to even mention exceeding them, but they seem laughable. How can a 2007 4x2 SR5 DC regular bed have almost the same GVWR as my 2005 (within 100 lbs)? Much stronger truck, as far as I could tell when I looked one over at the dealer.
Regardless, you're on your own if you choose to exceed Toyota's recommeded weight limits. There are no laws against it. I'm just not sure I have all the info req'd to make that decision.
Tom, Please advise me on my numbers. I am looking at a 4500# 5th wheel, dry. My 07 Tundra capacity weight is listed at 1255. I think I am over. What do you say? Thanks
No you're not, the 4500 is the whole dry weight of the trailer. The pin weight or tongue weight will be anywhere from 700-1100lbs. Plenty of room for that.
Here is my 5th wheel i tow quite regularly & it tows very well. It weighs 6250 dry, and 1250 pin. There is about 2-2.5" between the bumpstops w/o any airbags or additional springs added.
And here's our horse trailer also. Weighs 4500 dry & 9000 w/ 4 horses. Also no problem for my truck.
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Regardless, you're on your own if you choose to exceed Toyota's recommeded weight limits. There are no laws against it. I'm just not sure I have all the info req'd to make that decision.
Tom
While there may not be any laws specifically against exceeding the manufacturers weight limits there still could be significant consequences. On a couple of RV sites there have been cases discussed where people got into accidents where they were over the weight limits of their tow vehicle. If it's a minor accident and no one is hurt there is usually no problem but if it's major and injuries are involved then investigations are almost certain. If it's determined that the tow vehicle was overloaded then the trouble starts. The driver of the overloaded vehicle is more likely to be found at fault and their insurance provider can deny coverage because they were knowingly operating the vehicle beyond its ratings. At that point no one will care about how good a tow vehicle the truck is they'll only care about the specifications. Imagine trying to explain to some lawyer or insurance adjuster that the extra few hundred pounds really didn't matter.
I was all set to buy a new Tundra Crewmax until I noticed the payload ratings. I'm now trying to decide if I should wait and see if Toyota engineers make some improvements to better match the payload to the tow rating or get something else.
2007 Tundra and a 5th Wheel Trailer
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