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Old 09-13-2009, 03:19 PM
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Question from a newbie.
Just bought a 2010 tundra 4x4 with the TRD off road package. I built a custom tent trailer so I can haul my RZR on it. The trailer weighs 2500 pounds dry and about 2800 with all my gear and water on board. The tongue weight is 780 pounds.
The question is, do I need to install air bags on the rear springs (I did this on my old truck, a 07 gmc sierra). I heard that a wieght dist. hitch is not good for off road travel. I also haul around 500 pounds of gear in the bed of the truck.
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Old 09-13-2009, 03:54 PM
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1280 lbs on the rear I would if it were me and I agree I would not offroad with a wdh.
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Old 09-13-2009, 04:10 PM
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Default Re: Tongue wieght??

Thanks for the reply.
Do you have air bags?
What brand and are they available for the 2010's?

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Old 09-13-2009, 04:34 PM
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Default Re: Tongue wieght??

I tow a 21' toy hauler with a similar tongue weight, maybe slightly more with two large four wheelers. I run a wd hitch and ride rite air bags (firestone). The air bags make the whole rig tow a lot better, the trailer doesn't rock the truck up and down with every bump. If you plan on towing at highway speeds, I would recommend the wd hitch with the air bags and then you can unhook and remove the equilizer bars when you get off road. I highly recommend the air bags though, especially if your load weight varies a lot like mine does depending on if I have four wheelers loaded or not.
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Old 09-14-2009, 05:52 AM
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Yes I have Firestone 5000 air bags and think they are great.
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Definitely get the airbags, for me they made the truck way better towing or not. I never off road and probably never will, well I have gone up and down roads like Pikes Peak. I would be concerned though about the suspension travel in the rear of the truck when towing a trailer off road. Looking at the picture of your set-up, it looks like under the wrong conditions your trailer could hit or get high sided, at least air bags can be inflated and raise the truck in the rear about 1 ˝ inch.
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I don't fully understand your setup and weights. That RZR must weigh in at about 1,000 lbs on it's own, and since it's ahead of the trailer axles, it's pretty much all on the tongue, is it not? If you add the trailer tongue weight to that, and 500 lbs in the bed of the truck, you must be in the 2,500 lb payload department. Which is probably do-able, but you clearly would need air bags for that, 10 ply tires, brake controller for the trailer.
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First off nice setup, years ago i had thought about doing the same.

As others have mentioned i would change out the tires to at least "C" rated LT's, add some air bags and a WD Hitch setup. I wouldnt plan on any serious off roading, but with air bags you could disconnect the spring bars of the hitch when you get to the trail. Seriously i doubt that trailer would be much fun to drag around off road.
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1jeep makes a good point with the airbags and offroad. I have the wireless controller in the cab for my airbags. When I back my trailer into the driveway, I have to disconnect the WDH and deflate the bags so I don't drag the back end. Once the trailer tires clear the initial bumb and incline, I have to air the bags up to 75 psi so the trailer jack on the tongue doesn't drag on the driveway. Without the bags, I would scrape the all the stabilizer jacks off. Used the same technique when we went camping at an unlevel site.

Propbably won't work so well without the in cab controller for the airbags.

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1jeep makes a good point with the airbags and offroad. I have the wireless controller in the cab for my airbags. When I back my trailer into the driveway, I have to disconnect the WDH and deflate the bags so I don't drag the back end. Once the trailer tires clear the initial bumb and incline, I have to air the bags up to 75 psi so the trailer jack on the tongue doesn't drag on the driveway. Without the bags, I would scrape the all the stabilizer jacks off. Used the same technique when we went camping at an unlevel site.

Propbably won't work so well without the in cab controller for the airbags.

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That's an excellent rationale for my next upgrade maybe? You could also air up to 100 PSI, drop the stands, deflate and then unhook when the truck drops down.
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Since airbags are not well suited to heavy offroad use, you could do like I did and checkout Super Springs.
I have em, love em, and rail offroad.
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Default Re: Tongue wieght??

Thanks for all the input. I have Firestone airbags on the way.
I towed this same set-up with my 2007 Sierra and it pulled really nice (except the truck was a DOG) with the air bags.
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