Before anyone goes out and buys a new 2007 Tundra because they need more towing capacity, I thought I'd post some data that is from the Toyota website.
ALL OF THIS DATA CAME FROM TOYOTA's WEB PAGE. THEY HAVE THE 2007 SPECS POSTED.
2007 CrewMax 4x2 Short bed:
Curb weight: 5320
GVWR: 7000
Payload: 1680
Max Tow: 10,100
You know it will be less than that as the curb weight is always low by 100-200 lbs.
My truck is rated to tow 6800 lbs. I tow a 5200 lbs trailer and this max's out the GVWR.
Now, let's take a peak at the mighty 2007 Super Tundra 4x2 SR5 CrewMax 5.7L
7000 lbs GVWR
- 5320 (curb weight, will be higher in real life)
- 500 lbs (passengers)
- 500 lbs (cargo)
- 680 lbs (htich weight)
= 0 lbs to spare
SSDD. This can just barely pull my current 5200 lbs trailer that my current Tundra tows with a little more margin. Looks like Toyota has adopted the Nissan marketing methods.
The GVWR should have been 7400 at least. 7800 - 8000 would have been much better. But that's 3/4 ton country.
Good luck to anyone trying to pull 10,000 lbs with this truck. It'll get up to 60 mph faster and pull much better on hills, but you'll never get to that weight unless the truck is empty. Who wants to go camping with an empty truck? Looks like I'll be shoppin' the new GM oil burners next year.
Good luck to anyone trying to pull 10,000 lbs with this truck. It'll get up to 60 mph faster and pull much better on hills, but you'll never get to that weight unless the truck is empty. Who wants to go camping with an empty truck? Looks like I'll be shoppin' the new GM oil burners next year.
Tom
well I agree, to a point. The new Tundra's tow capacity is "IMO" impressive but it is not a diesel and you cannot compare it to such. Will it tow a 5'ver?...yes I believe it will....Will it tow like a diesel? Not a chance. I believe this truck is, for what its worth, more of what domestics call a half ton (I know, toyota doesn't use that type of designation) than the 3/4 ton (which is more common for towing Large loads. Actually I believe it would be more of what used to be refered to as a heavy half back in the day.
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Interesting. Thanks for posting those numbers. When I compare to our current towing setup it would get me 500lbs more cargo capacity than I have now. With the 5.7L and the tow package it's 700 lbs more and a 10,100lb tow capacity.
The higher HP and torque numbers should really move it along nicely when towing, and the 4.3 axle with the V8 tow package would be excellent.
Too bad they didn't increase the size of the fuel tank. I'd like something at least 50% bigger for towing duty. This tells me that they really don't understand towing yet.
Any idea what the GCWR is? I couldn't find it on the website. That'll tell us if it's useful payload while towing...
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Just out of curiosity, is it possible to increase the GVWR through mods? I'm not planning on attempting anything, just curious.
Short answer: Very, very unlikely.
Long answer: GVWR is determined by the collective result of many, many engineering decisions that affect strength of frame, strength of driveline, strength of suspension, strength of wheels (and tires), wheel bearings, etc. Generally a truck (especially a manufacturer's top-of-the-strength-line truck which the new Tundra will be) will be engineered holistically....all of these elements will be designed to about the same overall strength. With Toyota's superior engineering simulation/calculation ability you can be quite confident that every single item in these trucks is engineered quite precisely to provide just the desired amount of overall strength.
Sooo...while you may appear to be able to increase GVWR with aftermarket mods...for instance, by increasing suspension strength with helper springs...you most likely have not really increased the GVWR because the weakest point just becomes something else that's not so visible...like the frame or axle (or wheel bearings). Only if you comprehensively and carefully modified the entire truck (beef up the frame, install heavier duty axles, heavier duty differential parts, heavier duty suspension, heavier duty wheels, heavier duty tires, heavier duty bearings, heavier duty transmission, etc.) could you have reasonable confidence that you could safely exceed the manufacturer's GVWR. But it would be a whole lot easier (and cheaper) to simply buy a heavier duty (3/4 or 1 ton) truck in the first place.
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Here's what I think ANY truck should be able to do:
Curb weight + 1,000 lbs cargo + 12% of max tow rating = GVWR of truck
It's just that simple. Anything less and there really is no utility to having a truck.
For example:
2005 Tundra DC 4x2 SR5
4731 + 1000 + (6800*.12) = 6547 minimum GVWR The 2005 is rated at 6800 lbs, so this is a well matched set of numbers
2007 5.7L CreMax 4x2 SR5
5320 + 1000 + (10200 * .12) = 7520 minimum GVWR. The rating is 7000 lbs GVWR. What does this mean? If you want to tow 10,200 lbs, you better have an empty truck. An actual truck weighs more than the curb weight and most people weigh something.
That's my beef. A truck with 1500 lbs cargo capacity can't tow 10,200 lbs, realistically. Looks good in the brochures, though.
Tom,
Why do you say the 07 barely has enough capacity left to pull your 5200# trailer? The 07 should be up around 16000# with combined truck and trailer weight. It would have been nice to have another 1000# load capacity, but even being close to the older Tundras in that catagory it still out tows by another 3000# or so.
All of the information I've read has been extremely disappointing. Go over to the RV.NET forums and everyone has been anticipating a truck that can really do a good job towing a 5th wheel. With only a few hundred pounds more payload capacity than my 05 Tacoma the 07 Tundra doesn't offer much at all for 5er towing other than having a nice large V8 engine. I think Toyota missed the boat on this one. The 07 Tundra is not anything better that an F150.
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I think what some of you may be missing is the tongue weight issue. If you have a 10,000lb trailer, then you are going to want about 1,000lb tongue weight. The tongue weight is part of the truck payload and what Tomhole is referring to is that this tongue weight on a 10,000lb trailer consumes most of the 1,500lb payload of the truck - leaving very little for driver, gas, passengers, etc.
I think everyone keeps illustrating the fact that if you don't actually do any towing, those 10,000 lb numbers look good. You're right, Toyota bought into the marketing angle just like all the others.
I was really convinced that we were going to see a 2000+ payload capacity. Oh well. It alleviates any need for the 2007 model for me. The only thing I feel like I'm missing on my 2006 is engine immobilizer.
Don't get me wrong, the 2007 with that monster 5.7L motor would pull my current rig BETTER than my current Tundra. 100 horses and 85 lb ft of torque would make towing a lot more enjoyable. Bigger brakes, bigger rear, stronger frame, etc... might make it more reliable in the long run (just conjecture). But publishing a 10,400 lbs max towing capacity does not necessarily mean it can tow more.
I would compare my 2005 4x2 DC SR5 to a 2007 Double cab regular bed 4x2 SR5. The curb weight went up by 380 lbs, but the GVWR only went up by 300 lbs. That means the new 2007 has LESS capabilty than my 2005. Does that mean mine is better? Nope. I'd bet a dime on a donut that the 2007 will haul around 1700 lbs in the bed with more aplomb than my 2005.
I'd venture a guess that Toyota is holding something for later. Starting low, changing nothing and upping the specs next year would probably be a wise marketing strategy. Based on the pics and descriptions posted here, the 2007 is much beefier in all respects than the 2005 I have. If that's true, the specs should reflect that.
I also am not very impressed with the new Tundra's Payload. However, everyone is looking at the Crew Max specs, the Double Cab is bigger than the current Double Cab and has a higher towing capacity and payload than the Crew Max. I am also shocked that the 10.5" and 9.5" axles can't handle a much higher payload. However, Toyota has always been much more conservative with their numbers than Ford, Chevy or Dodge, and the new Chevy Silverado does not have any huge payload gains on the new Tundra.
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