Go Back   Toyota Tundra Forums : Tundra Solutions Forum > Technical & Vehicle Assistance Forums > Towing



Readylift.com
Handy Toyota
IPT Performance Transmissions
4WheelParts.com

Free shipping on truck accessories at AutoAnything

 
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 03-12-2007, 12:41 PM
Lurking Member
 
My Garage
Dealer : Ehrlich Toyota
2006 Toyota Tundra,
2003 Toyota Highlander
My Details
Last Online: 06-12-2007 08:09 PM
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: loveland, co.
Posts: 42
Rep Power: 0
Silver Doug is on a distinguished road.
Silver Doug's Photo Albums
Default 2006 4.7L towing..??

I've ask before .. and didn't tell all. I am looking to get a travel trailer that Is rated`as a 30 ft. trailer.. Living space length.. dry weight is 5,165 before adding all the extras...Microwave, air, awning..etc..bringing the dry weight up to about 5.450.. Now has any one towed this length and weight with there 4.7 L, 4X4 Tundra..If so... what problems did you find.. not enough power... Tundra too small for the trailer length..??? I live In Loveland, Colorado... alt about 5,200 ft. I'm not a mountain camper..so most of our travels are not climbing in the mountains... tell me all you can.... Thanks, Doug
__________________
2006 Tundra SR5, ACab, TRD, Salsa Red Pearl, W/Leather Package, Toyota Running boards, 4X4, Auto dim mirror, Bed liner, Burlwood Dash trim. Exhaust tip, All weather guard package, V8, towing Pack, Pace Edwards Jack Rabbit Tonneau cover, Loveland, Colorado
Reply With Quote


  #2 (permalink)  
Old 03-13-2007, 12:03 AM
RockyMtnRay's Avatar
Supporter
 
My Garage
Dealer : Liberty Toyota Scion of Colorado Springs
2003 Toyota Tundra
My Details
Last Online: 07-10-2009 11:55 AM
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
Posts: 1,234
Rep Power: 8
RockyMtnRay is on a distinguished road.
RockyMtnRay's Photo Albums
Default Sway and weight will both be a big problem

Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver Doug View Post
I've ask before .. and didn't tell all. I am looking to get a travel trailer that Is rated`as a 30 ft. trailer.. Living space length.. dry weight is 5,165 before adding all the extras...Microwave, air, awning..etc..bringing the dry weight up to about 5.450.. Now has any one towed this length and weight with there 4.7 L, 4X4 Tundra..If so... what problems did you find.. not enough power... Tundra too small for the trailer length..??? I live In Loveland, Colorado... alt about 5,200 ft. I'm not a mountain camper..so most of our travels are not climbing in the mountains... tell me all you can.... Thanks, Doug
If you have the Access Cab, you're almost guaranteed to have serious sway control problems with a 30 foot trailer (probably more like a 34 foot trailer in overall exterior length). With the Double Cab, there's a good likelihood of sway control problems anytime you'll be towing with strong crosswinds (which are pretty common here on the front range). The only to combat the problem is with a top end sway control weight distributing hitch...at the minimum a Reese High Performance Dual Cam or, ideally, a Hensley Arrow. The Arrow is virtually guaranteed to ensure you won't have any sway issues under any condition; the problem is a Hensley Arrow hitch sells for around $3000 new. Yep, 3 Grand just for the hitch.

As for weight, I (and my Dealer's Asst Service Manager) both feel that a trailer with a loaded weight of over 5000 lbs is probably too much for Colorado towing (even on the plains) because of the big loss of power due to altitude. Even at the relatively low elevation of Loveland (low by Colorado standards anyway), you're already down about 30% from rated sea level torque and HP. Given that a loaded-for-camping 4X4 Tundra will weigh around 5800 lbs (Access Cab) or 6100 lbs (DC)...and the sea level GCWR is 11,800, then the most your trailer really should weigh is around 6000 lbs (AC) or 5700 lbs (DC). That's at sea level. If you derate that sea level towing capacity by 30% for Loveland's altitude (~2000 lbs), then the realistic towing capacity is really about 4000 lbs. Incidentally, if you do tow up into the mountains, the torque really drops off....at 11,000 feet (elevation of the tunnels on I70), torque is a whopping 60% less than at sea level. For the folks who've never done high altitude towing and think the truck should have plenty of power in Colorado, a 60% drop in power due to altitude can roughly be simulated at sea level by removing 5 of the 8 spark plugs.

For mountain towing, my personal experience after 3 towing seasons is 4000 lbs is probably pretty close to an accurate limit (my TrailManor trailer is ~3500 lbs, very low profile, and has a towing length of only 20 feet). If you stay out of the mountains, then 5000 lbs will be tolerable although the tranny will be downshifting on almost every small hill. But since your proposed trailer is realistically going to weigh around 6000 lbs loaded if it's true dry weight is 5400, then I confidently predict you'll be so unhappy towing it in Colorado with your current truck that you'll be trading it for an '07 Tundra (or even a domestic diesel) after just a couple of trips.

Soooo....you really have two choices: Buy the trailer you're thinking of...and spend a bunch of money getting a top end sway control hitch and be really unhappy with the towing performance until you trade up to a more powerful truck...OR...get a much shorter (like around 24 feet), much lighter (like around 3500 lbs empty) trailer and keep your current truck. With a much smaller, much lighter trailer, you won't have to have top end sway control and you'll have enough torque for towing in Colorado.
__________________
Ray


Natural White '03 Access Cab V8 SR5 4X4 with TRD Off Road Suspension, Limited Slip Differential, and Towing Package

Towing & Performance Mods: JBA Headers, Gibson Muffler, 4.30 gears, Michelin LTX M/S Tires, Hellwig Anti-Roll bar, Prodigy Trailer Brake Controller, Autometer Z-Series Transmission Temperature Gauge, Magnefine Transmission Filter
Utility & Misc Mods: Genuine Toyota OEM Step (Nerf) bars, Peragon Tonneau Cover, TracRac Rack and Rail System, Muth Signal Mirrors, Pop&Lock tailgate lock, TruSpeed speedometer calibrator, "$20" RS-3200 Upgrade, Auto-Dimming mirror w/ Temp and Compass, Clear/Red/Clear Taillights with Silverstar Signal bulbs, 3M Clear Bra

Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 03-18-2007, 12:42 PM
Rookie
 
My Garage
Dealer : Emerson Toyota
2006 Toyota Tundra
My Details
Last Online: 04-03-2007 07:30 PM
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Auburn
Posts: 1
Rep Power: 0
Tom Moulin is on a distinguished road.
Tom Moulin's Photo Albums
Default Re: 2006 4.7L towing..??

I also have the 06 Tunra w/the 4.7 - towing a 05 27' Zeppelin w/slide .dry wt 4700. Power to pull o.k. Stiff ride, will add HD shocks and may include air bags or extra leafs. "reseaching now"?

It's over/all length is 31'

Thinking of trading to slide in truck/camper would like to tow boat.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 03-18-2007, 07:49 PM
wolfie410's Avatar
Junior Member
 
My Garage
Dealer : Darcars Toyota of Frederick
2006 Toyota Tundra
My Details
Last Online: Yesterday 08:44 PM
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Frederick, MD
Posts: 132
Rep Power: 4
wolfie410 is on a distinguished road.
Send a message via MSN to wolfie410 wolfie410's Photo Albums
Default Re: 2006 4.7L towing..??

I have a 2006 DC with the 4.7 and tow a 26' travel trailer. I believe that the dry weight is 4,300 lbs. The truck handles it well, but I probably wouldn't go much bigger.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
06' Tacoma 2.7L Towing fauskar Towing 2 02-20-2007 03:42 PM
Towing Tips and Observations Himself Towing 12 02-12-2007 08:52 PM
K&N or other free flow bugmenot Towing 5 06-30-2005 11:24 AM
Tundra Towing Experiences rcdave Towing 4 03-24-2005 02:27 PM
Towing Weight And Overdrive Question ?? ZIGGY454 Engine & Drivetrain 17 01-28-2004 08:35 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:09 PM.