It cracks me up that no one here ever purchased their 1st Gen because they needed it to tow 10k lbs, but now that Toyota is marketing the magic 10k number everyone is buying into it.
Ummm, you do realize that the 1st gen Tundra was not rated to pull 10k, right? That's probably why people were not buying them to tow 10k.
You do realize that Toyota came out with a new Tundra this year that's bigger, more powerful, has better brakes, has more safety features, a stronger frame, better tow receiver, etc? This new Tundra I'm speaking of is rated to tow 10k lbs, that's probably why people are buying, and expecting to be able to tow that much.
Please share your formula and calculations for safe towing limits, if you do not believe the manufacturers specifications. If you don't have any specific calculations to back up your assertions that Toyota specifications are in error, then your naysaying isn't worth much.
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1996 Lexus LX450, 129k, front/rear factory locking differentials, Cooper STT 285s, OME 850/863 suspension lift, CDL/Pin 7, 30qt freezer, 2@aux fuse blocks, aux powerpoint, 850w inverter
1998 Lexus LX470, 139k- SOLD
1993 Land Cruiser, 198k- SOLD
You guys can do what ever to your Tundra I don't really care to be honest. I'm just happy to hear there are sensible people like myself who think safety over bragging rights. My 3/4 ton Dodge can tow around 13,500lbs, but I would never pull that kind of weight with a 3/4 ton and 4 tires. That kind of load should be pulled with a 1 ton dually with 6 tires planted on the road. I find it interesting that there are intelligent people out there with years of experience towing heavy loads who agree with my reasoning, but there's people in here who have no concerns about towing 10,5000lbs with their 1/2 ton that most sensible folks would only tow with a 1 ton dually.
I guess the Tundra is so bad @ss that it can tow 10,500lbs safely. I think I'll trade in my 3/4 Ton Diesel for the new Tundra since it's really a 3/4 ton anyway according to some folks in here living in Texas. Anyone know if the Tundra is capable of hauling 2,500lbs in the bed so I can trade in my 3/4 ton?
I find it interesting that there are intelligent people out there with years of experience towing heavy loads who agree with my reasoning, but there's people in here who have no concerns about towing 10,5000lbs with their 1/2 ton that most sensible folks would only tow with a 1 ton dually.
I find it interesting that, so far, there has been no reasoning in your explanation, except perhaps that you do what you do, because that's what you do. Still looking for an explanation on why not to believe the Toyota (or other manufactuer's) Specs.
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I guess the Tundra is so bad @ss that it can tow 10,500lbs safely. I think I'll trade in my 3/4 Ton Diesel for the new Tundra since it's really a 3/4 ton anyway according to some folks in here living in Texas. Anyone know if the Tundra is capable of hauling 2,500lbs in the bed so I can trade in my 3/4 ton?
You are correct, the Tundra is bad *** enough to tow in accordance with manufacturer specs, as is your Dodge. I figured you already knew that the Tundra should not haul 2,500lbs in the bed, according to Toyota, so if that is your requirement, I suggest you keep your 3/4T Ram.
The specs are easily located on the Toyota website, but if you have any more questions feel free to ask.
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1996 Lexus LX450, 129k, front/rear factory locking differentials, Cooper STT 285s, OME 850/863 suspension lift, CDL/Pin 7, 30qt freezer, 2@aux fuse blocks, aux powerpoint, 850w inverter
1998 Lexus LX470, 139k- SOLD
1993 Land Cruiser, 198k- SOLD
I find it interesting that, so far, there has been no reasoning in your explanation, except perhaps that you do what you do, because that's what you do. Still looking for an explanation on why not to believe the Toyota (or other manufactuer's) Specs.
You are correct, the Tundra is bad *** enough to tow in accordance with manufacturer specs, as is your Dodge. I figured you already knew that the Tundra should not haul 2,500lbs in the bed, according to Toyota, so if that is your requirement, I suggest you keep your 3/4T Ram.
The specs are easily located on the Toyota website, but if you have any more questions feel free to ask.
The reasoning is easy IMHO. The Tundra only weighs 5,700lbs and a 1 ton dually weighs almost 8,000lbs. Which one will get pushed around more. My 2500 Ram weighs 7,300lbs and will not get man handled as easily with a 10,500lb load as the Tundra.
I'm not puting down the Tundra, I love the Tundra and my 2000 Tundra was the best truck I ever owned. I just find it disturbing that folks in here are buying into the Marketing Tow wars thinking that hooking up a 10,500lb 5th wheel is a sound thing to do. I would never even hook up that kind of load to my truck let alone a 1/2 ton.
Funny how these types of conversations are not in the Ford F150 Forums. Most guys looking to two more than 8k are in the Ford F250/F350 Forums.
I agree that if people bought the tundra to exlusively tow their 10,000 lb trailer then they may have made a mistake. That doesnt mean that occasionally when you really need to tow to your trucks max capacity that it's dangerous as long as you drive sensibly.
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I personally think that Toyota would underestimate towing capacity if anything and they were would be running a real risk if they advertised more than was possible to pull safely with their truck. (keeping in mind the other numbers like vehicle weight, payload,etc)
The reasoning is easy IMHO. The Tundra only weighs 5,700lbs and a 1 ton dually weighs almost 8,000lbs. Which one will get pushed around more. My 2500 Ram weighs 7,300lbs and will not get man handled as easily with a 10,500lb load as the Tundra.
Yes a 3/4 ton will probably tow easier and get pushed around less than a Tundra, a Semi truck will tow it even easier and get pushed around even less, does not necessarily mean you need a semi-truck (or a 3/4 ton) to tow 10k lbs safely.
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I'm not puting down the Tundra, I love the Tundra and my 2000 Tundra was the best truck I ever owned. I just find it disturbing that folks in here are buying into the Marketing Tow wars thinking that hooking up a 10,500lb 5th wheel is a sound thing to do. I would never even hook up that kind of load to my truck let alone a 1/2 ton.
It's too bad you don't have confidence in your truck. I suppose if you want to go 90mph up hill, and brake as quickly as you would unloaded, and make quick lane changes, and follow others too closely, you would be better off in the biggest rig you can find, if on the other hand you know your rigs limits and drive accordingly (this is usually mentioned in the owners manual) you should not be scared to tow at the rigs specs.
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Funny how these types of conversations are not in the Ford F150 Forums. Most guys looking to two more than 8k are in the Ford F250/F350 Forums.
Too bad for them.
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1996 Lexus LX450, 129k, front/rear factory locking differentials, Cooper STT 285s, OME 850/863 suspension lift, CDL/Pin 7, 30qt freezer, 2@aux fuse blocks, aux powerpoint, 850w inverter
1998 Lexus LX470, 139k- SOLD
1993 Land Cruiser, 198k- SOLD
Those pics look bad IMO. The tundras rear end is obviously very stressed and it looks like the bulk of the weight is actually behind the rear axle. The front end is looking pretty light as well.
This Tundra has an 8 foot bed and the Reese hitch is located well forward of the rear axle line. The (stock) suspension is nowhere near sitting on the bump stops and the front end did not move when lowering this trailer. And the pin weight is well within this 2WD truck's payload rating. I just got back from a 5000 mile round trip in an F250PSD pulling a 8.5x24 bumper-pull race trailer with 4 racebikes in it, and that truck was sagging way more than this Tundra, even with all of our beer and fuel in the back of the trailer.
Of course, having said all that, this would not be the best choice of trailer to pull behind a Tundra... Once you load it up with food, water, supplies and a couple of ATVs or dirtbikes, you're way over the manufacturer ratings. A trailer with a ~7500lb dry weight would be more appropriate. This is a marketing exersize meant as a visual statement to show people what the Tundra is capable of and what 10000lbs looks like in real life. I drove it personally, and while the trailer certainly made its presence known, the Tundra was more than up to the task.
I find it interesting that, so far, there has been no reasoning in your explanation, except perhaps that you do what you do, because that's what you do. Still looking for an explanation on why not to believe the Toyota (or other manufactuer's) Specs.
You are correct, the Tundra is bad *** enough to tow in accordance with manufacturer specs, as is your Dodge. I figured you already knew that the Tundra should not haul 2,500lbs in the bed, according to Toyota, so if that is your requirement, I suggest you keep your 3/4T Ram.
The specs are easily located on the Toyota website, but if you have any more questions feel free to ask.
Here's the link to the specifications you mentioned:
As you can see, the payload capacity for the 5.7L double cab 4x2 long bed is listed as 1655 lbs. Payload is defined by toyota on their website as:
Payload is the GVWR minus curb weight and includes weight of occupants, optional equipment and cargo, limited by weight distribution. Payload is not the Vehicle Capacity Weight as defined by FMVSS 110, which will vary according to installed optional equipment.
As mentioned earlier in this thread, the stated pin weight of that trailer is 1620 lbs dry. Therefore, before you put anything else in the truck you are within 35 lbs of it's payload limit, that's without figuring in the hitch. I'm pretty sure the hitch weighs more than 35 lbs. So, before you even get inside the truck you're over the toyota spec payload limit. Remember payload includes YOU as well, so when you step in the truck you increase by even more the amount that you're over the payload limit.
I do believe toyota's specs, and toyota's specs say that trailer is NOT within their specs.
Also, looking at the second picture the springs are inverted. That thing is WAY overloaded.
I just have to comment on the towing. I have had 2 Tundras 2000, 2005 and just bought 2007 5.7. I have towed with all of them. The 2000 Tundra pulled a 5500lb trailer without a problem. My 2005 4.7L Tundra pulled my 6000lb boat through mountain passes without a problem running AC full blast. Truck never got warm. I passed my boat dealer in pulling the same boat with a Chevy up the mountain pass (they got a bigger chevy). Before I realized my new toy hauler trailer weighed 9500lbs full (weighed at a truck stop on my 4th trip out). I towed with the same 4.7L Tundra. Through mountain passes I was down to 55-60mph but never the truck/transmission never got warm. Kept a comfortable 70-75mph on the flat lands. The guys would laugh and say I had a rice burner on steriods. My last trip out it was the Ford that blew its transmission pulling the same 9500lb trailer I was. Before I had my trucks I pulled 20-22ft boats with my 4Runners. Never a problem. Not sure why anyone would think the 5.7L would have a problem pulling a 10k trailer. I have towed close to limit and briefly over limit with all my toyota's...never had a problem.
As you can see, the payload capacity for the 5.7L double cab 4x2 long bed is listed as 1655 lbs. Payload is defined by toyota on their website as:
Payload is the GVWR minus curb weight and includes weight of occupants, optional equipment and cargo, limited by weight distribution. Payload is not the Vehicle Capacity Weight as defined by FMVSS 110, which will vary according to installed optional equipment.
As mentioned earlier in this thread, the stated pin weight of that trailer is 1620 lbs dry. Therefore, before you put anything else in the truck you are within 35 lbs of it's payload limit, that's without figuring in the hitch. I'm pretty sure the hitch weighs more than 35 lbs. So, before you even get inside the truck you're over the toyota spec payload limit. Remember payload includes YOU as well, so when you step in the truck you increase by even more the amount that you're over the payload limit.
I do believe toyota's specs, and toyota's specs say that trailer is NOT within their specs.
Also, looking at the second picture the springs are inverted. That thing is WAY overloaded.
Thank you for reiterating my point that the Tundra is capable of towing 10k+ lbs, when operating as specified by Toyota.
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1996 Lexus LX450, 129k, front/rear factory locking differentials, Cooper STT 285s, OME 850/863 suspension lift, CDL/Pin 7, 30qt freezer, 2@aux fuse blocks, aux powerpoint, 850w inverter
1998 Lexus LX470, 139k- SOLD
1993 Land Cruiser, 198k- SOLD
Re: 07 Tundra pulling 10000lb toyhauler
The front end is looking pretty light as well.
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