Off the Topic - Well sort of, I'd sure like to see Toyota sell a diesel Tundra on a 3/4 ton frame.. but my point is why don't we see any of the fine diesel motors that the Japanese build here on US car lots?
I drove a Nissan Xterra while on vacation in Costa Rica and that thing kicked ***! Good power and phenominal mileage compared to a gas motor. I just can't imagine it is an emissions thing being that the Big 3 get to sell all their diesels here.
The diesels sold by the big three are all 3/4 or 1 ton trucks. The emissions standards for these trucks are different than for 1/2 tons like the Tundra. Hopefully when ULSD(Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel) is finally rolled out across the US Toyota will get a 1/2 ton diesel Tundra on the market.
I know next year Dodge is releasing a 1/2 ton redesigned Ram with an all new 5.6L Cummins V8. That should be one HOT selling truck IMO. Last numbers I saw were 300/540 with epa ratings of 19 city and 24 hwy but who knows what it will be at the time of release. They are also going to put a new 4.2L Cummins V6 into the durango. You can already get the Grand Cherokee with a diesel I think.
There's a whole host of reasons why there are few diesel options in the US. IMO, most of them stem from the oil companies and the goverments conspiracy to keep fuel efficent vehicles from hitting the market which means higher profits for both. JMO.
actually the new 2007 GM Duramax (LMM engine code) is supposed to only run on ULSD and has an extra filter of sorts to deal with whatever is left over. Word on the street is that soon diesels will be so stuffed up with filters and whatnot that it will actually kill their advantage over gas. But then again I also heard the new '08 Jetta TDI will get close to 60MPG so....
actually the new 2007 GM Duramax (LMM engine code) is supposed to only run on ULSD and has an extra filter of sorts to deal with whatever is left over. Word on the street is that soon diesels will be so stuffed up with filters and whatnot that it will actually kill their advantage over gas. But then again I also heard the new '08 Jetta TDI will get close to 60MPG so....
Yep, the Ford and Dodge diesels are the same way. I know the 07 6.7L Cummins meets emmissions for 2010 already. When comparing a gas and diesel engine of similar size, the gas engine STILL looses pretty bad in both power and efficiency. This months 'Diesel Power' magazine has a good artilce comparing the Ford V-10 Superduty with a Powerstroke Superduty and the gas engine gets killed in all respects.
The gas engines have closed the gap some, thanks entirely to the EPA, but they still have a way to go to compare to diesels.
Folks in these parts are dumping diesels in favor of gas trucks
as diesel fuel prices rise and gas engine longevity increases.
Time will tell if it's a trend or not....I don't have a clue other than my own experiences with gas and diesel vehicles.
Yep, the Ford and Dodge diesels are the same way. I know the 07 6.7L Cummins meets emmissions for 2010 already. When comparing a gas and diesel engine of similar size, the gas engine STILL looses pretty bad in both power and efficiency. This months 'Diesel Power' magazine has a good artilce comparing the Ford V-10 Superduty with a Powerstroke Superduty and the gas engine gets killed in all respects.
The gas engines have closed the gap some, thanks entirely to the EPA, but they still have a way to go to compare to diesels.
This is why im STILL mulling over getting a diesel, an older one at that (possibly a 99-02 powerstroke with the rock solid 7.3L). Best I can estimate I will be towing around 60% of the time, but as I can see it, it wont be more than 5-6k. Sure the Tundra and Silverado can do it but that whole 9MPG thing while towing still haunts me...
This is why im STILL mulling over getting a diesel, an older one at that (possibly a 99-02 powerstroke with the rock solid 7.3L). Best I can estimate I will be towing around 60% of the time, but as I can see it, it wont be more than 5-6k. Sure the Tundra and Silverado can do it but that whole 9MPG thing while towing still haunts me...
I hear ya there. I own a diesel already, but if I were looking to buy a vehicle that spent most if it's time towing it would be a diesel no doubt.
The old Powerstrokes are pretty good, much better than the 6.0. IMO, the best diesel truck ever made was the 97-98 (not the 98.5) Dodge with the 12 valve Cummins. They can pull a house, they last forever AND the get 20-21 mpg. These trucks are actually going up in value if in good condition. There are several around here for 4-6K over high retail. To me, that's pretty impressive for a 10 yr old pickup truck. I sure wouldn't turn down an 01 or 02 Powerstroke either if you could find a good one.
Emissions is the main reason why we don't have any "import" diesels. It'd be nice to have diesels in a lot of cars and trucks here in the US.
The diesels under the hoods of GM's are made by Isuzu (Japan)
We also have Mercedes diesels.
I don't believe most Americans would want diesels in their cars (cost and noise).
I think the only reason we don't already have 1/2 tons with diesels is cost. Current diesels in the HD trucks add $6K to $7K to the MSRP. Tack that on to the price of your favorite half ton!! That said, I think a diesel Tundra 1/2 ton would be really sweet!!
I can't imagine what would happen if Toyota and Nissan start coming out with diesel engines in their trucks. Americans are becoming foreign phobic and any problem in the country is blamed on a foreign hand. The big three sure would be pulling their hair out if Toyota came out with one of its excellent diesel powerplants in its truck. Toyota can introduce a lot of models in the US which would probably decimate the domestic auto industry. You can read posts of GM dealers getting mad at Toyota and corporate GM etc.
Peoples attitudes towrds anything foreign needs to change and people should stop listening to radio talk shows which currently are running this country.
I can't imagine what would happen if Toyota and Nissan start coming out with diesel engines in their trucks. Americans are becoming foreign phobic and any problem in the country is blamed on a foreign hand. The big three sure would be pulling their hair out if Toyota came out with one of its excellent diesel powerplants in its truck. Toyota can introduce a lot of models in the US which would probably decimate the domestic auto industry. You can read posts of GM dealers getting mad at Toyota and corporate GM etc.
Peoples attitudes towrds anything foreign needs to change and people should stop listening to radio talk shows which currently are running this country.
I think you have it backwards. I think Americans really don't care where things are made anymore which is good in some respects but we are slowing selling off this country to the highest bidder. I'm not anti-foreign anything but I damn sure am not happy to see more and more of America go over seas. I have always been a big fan of Toyota but I am not proud of the fact that the big 3 are falling on hard times with some of their product line. I personally think THAT is the problem today. Too many people are getting joy from watching foreign companies take over America. I see it in many of these threads, including this one. What "joy" is there in watching another countries industry overtake your own countries industry? IMO, it's one thing to prefer a Toyota vehicle, but it's another thing to enjoy seeing Detroit having a tough time and watching American companies that actually invented the automobile come close to closing their doors?
I don't see what the fascination is with that GM fax? If you actually believe that Toyota doesn't have hostile feelings towards other manufacturers and that they would never stoop to that level then you really are a Kool-aid drinker. It is a competition in every sense and if Toyota wasn't playing then you guys wouldn't be bragging about how much better your new Tundra is.
[QUOTE=Radhe;699426]I can't imagine what would happen if Toyota and Nissan start coming out with diesel engines in their trucks. QUOTE]
My point was that the Japanese already have very good diesel powerplants sold in other countries.. nothing in a Tundra sized vehicle as far as I know. Just about everything in Costa Rica was a diesel and diesel fuel was about 1/3 cheaper. But even if fuel were 1/3 more the mileage and longevity of a diesel wins in large or small rigs. Mind you the last thing I like to drive behind on the road is a diesel but that is what the recirc button is for!
I used to own an '96 F-250 7.3L PS.. what a rig, sad a got rid of it other than you couldn't hear yourself think when you got on it. Those Duramax diesels sure are quiet compared to the PS or the Cummins.
From what I've heard I think on this forum, there will never be a 3/4 or 1ton Tundra and who know's what it will take to get a diesel into their 1/2 ton manufacturing chain here in the states.
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, but they still have a way to go to compare to diesels.
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