Just to play Devil's advocate, why would Toyota keep replacing tranny's instead of just replacing tq converters or ECM programming? I was surprised to find my entire tranny needed to be replaced for something that seemed like a programming issue. I don't know, just my two cents. Maybe it's just taking a while for Toyota to figure it out, and in the mean time, they are replacing the entire tranny for lack of better understanding at this point. Failure or not, I am fortunate that I was still able to drive it to the dealer (stuck in 4th as the final gear). Just some first year growing pains.
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I'm not understanding the need to shift these auto transmissions at all. Aren't they like an overdrive where you put in D with the OD on and just drive it?
I heard that they "replace" instead of "repair", so that TOYOTA, not some dealership, has the tranny in tact and can take time going thru it to not only find out WHAT failed (or misbehaved), but WHY it did it.
I think if the service departments were just swapping parts to make the symptom go away, they would never get to the bottom of it.
I also think that the number of Tundras that are having these problems are no greater than the number of other Makes.
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Just to play Devil's advocate, why would Toyota keep replacing tranny's instead of just replacing tq converters or ECM programming?
I believe it is to try to make it right for their customers...even though they know that the new tranny may be affected too. My regional tech rep as much as said that....he said he would be happy to replace the tranny/torque converter..but, the new one might have the same issue. He said they are working on a permanent fix....
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I was surprised to find my entire tranny needed to be replaced for something that seemed like a programming issue. I don't know, just my two cents. Maybe it's just taking a while for Toyota to figure it out, and in the mean time, they are replacing the entire tranny for lack of better understanding at this point. Failure or not, I am fortunate that I was still able to drive it to the dealer (stuck in 4th as the final gear). Just some first year growing pains.
You may well have had some other issue...especially since it got stuck in 4th. It seems to me that MOST, not ALL, of the problems talked about seem to be of the same variety...a rumble at when shifting, especially into/out of overdrive, often when lugging the engine.
All I know is this....based on my previous experience with other manufacturers (who shall remain nameless to protect the guilty), if I had brought either of my two previous vehicles into the dealer with the same issue and with the same severity, I am extremely confident I would have been patted on the head, told it is "Normal", and would have gotten no satisfaction.
I did not take Toyota up on the offer of the replacement, simply because I wanted to give them a chance to come up with a real fix, and mine was not mis-behaving too badly. A few weeks and a couple of thousand miles later, and I can't make it rumble, no matter how hard I try. Say what you will...but I am impressed that they would even offer to replace these big ticket parts....especially without me having to have a major temper tantrum and raise holy hell!
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Just to play Devil's advocate, why would Toyota keep replacing tranny's instead of just replacing tq converters or ECM programming? I was surprised to find my entire tranny needed to be replaced for something that seemed like a programming issue. I don't know, just my two cents. Maybe it's just taking a while for Toyota to figure it out, and in the mean time, they are replacing the entire tranny for lack of better understanding at this point. Failure or not, I am fortunate that I was still able to drive it to the dealer (stuck in 4th as the final gear). Just some first year growing pains.
They know that rippping and stripping major components on a brand new vehicle is gonna result in more problems. Same goes for the motor, usually if its really new they longblock it, reduces the chances for you to have continuing problems from the work that was done. My guess is that the trans rumble thing will be fixed whether its electronic or a new valve body or torque converter or whatever they'll figure it out, you got to remember these little glitches didn't surface right away and not all Tundras have these glitches so it takes a while to compile a complaint base before they initiate a team to figure out whats going on. Lots of scattered isolated incidents take time to create a trend, but they'll get it right, that I assure you. I would guess the culprit will likely be one or 2 links in the chain from a given parts supplier that will be the culprit, or they (all Tundras) would all do it if it was a design flaw.
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I don't have any experience with major mechanical malfunctions with other trucks/cars (oops, I did have a F-150 go through a computer module years ago), but I think it's great Toyota has been replacing the entire tranny. It just kinda sucks for them cost wise, but that is a good sign that Toyota really does try to provide great service. I think some of their dealerships need better training and in some cases, offer better customer service at the local level. (I am referring to a small minority of dealerships, full-well acknowledging the very large majority of Toyo dealers are probably great)
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You are spot on and some folks cant seem to understand that. Call 10 Ford dealerships and ask them how many trannys have failed ( I am not talking about rumble strip crap I am talking FAILED, as in towed in not driveable) this year in 07 F-150's.....I bet more than Tundras have. And you can do the same with Dodge, Chevy and GMC. These Tundra concerns in question are small problems affecting a minute number of folks in comparison to the masses and like you said , some are exhibiting a problem that is probably gonna be fixed with a ECM/PCM flash program. Lets get it right theres failure and then theres the need to adjust something. I just find it so funny how fast folks want to jump on the Toyota FAILED bandwagon when its not the case at all. Like I said yesterday I was at my local Toyota Dealership talking to TOYOTA Techs (friends of mine) and the only things they have been working on is the A/C vent, a couple tailgate linkage clips and for the most part the rest is just maintenance (oil changes and such), the facts are skewed on this forum with those searching for help that are internet saavy. Some polls would be very interesting to show how small the numbers are. When was the last time you heard about a camshaft failure??? Or a Tundra actually being towed in for a tranny problem??? Not many out there fellas, look at the big pic for the hottest selling truck on the road right now.(At least in my town!)
Everything you just stated is complete BS. I defy you to call 10 GM dealers right now and ask them how many tranny failures they have had. The fact is the 4l60e is the most reliabletranny ever made in a 1/2 ton truck. I agree that they are not truely tranny failures, but then why would toyota treat them as such, instead of just reflash the pcm as you suggest. Oh, i get it, because toyota goes above and beyond the call of duty. And then to replace some peoples twice or more, OK. And man you have friends everywhere that you talk to. The hottest selling truck out there, you better look again.
Yor're smart to wait. And these ney sayers here that it's a very small problem are wrong. I bet that only 2-3% of tundra owners visit this site, and look how many problems are here. And all your problems were with pre-1991 fords. Just so you know, domestic quality has increased 100 fold in the last ten years, were foreign quality has decreased.
The phrase Qaulity Control is akin to a swear word to the big 3! They care not but to shift units. They will keep your vehicle forever to 'tinker' with it and try and find a fault before they even call corporate. I had Fords from 1999 on inc. a 100th Anniversary Harley Supercrew which quality wise was a JOKE. Ya would think they might pay attention to such a model huh?
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I have a somewhat unique perspective to lend to the discussion. I purchased a 5.7L Tundra in July and put on about 7,500 miles before tragedy struck. My truck was stolen out of my driveway while loaded with two motorcycles. This is a long story to be told on another thread. Anyway, I towed our 6,000 lb travel trailer home 120 miles the same day I purchased it against the formal "breakin" recommendations. Needless to say, that truck ran without a glitch, no transmission issues, and still would run and drive even after a major police chase across ditches and cane berry fields. That truck was totaled as a result.
I just purchased a new replacement Tundra with the 5.7L 6-speed tranny. On my way home from work today, with 200 miles on the odometer, I felt like I ran over a rumble strip on the side of the road while lightly accelerating up a small hill between 25 and 35 mph. I noticed it again as I was trying to merge into the freeway and proceeded to try and duplicate the issue. It will not shudder/vibrate under moderate to heavy acceleration, but will in 4th gear at the previously mentioned speeds. I seemed with the driveshaft was vibrating or maybe a U-Joint had gone bad.
I called the dealer in Bend, Oregon where I bought the truck and they are unaware of the issue. I have since found, through reading this thread, that this is a known issue likely associated with the torque converter. I tend to have the same feeling as impilot that I would rather wait for Toyota to figure out the exact cause of the problem instead of replacing my whole transmission. I don't entirely trust the competency of the dealer techs. Hopefully a TSB will be released with a repair scheme. Please keep us updated on the fix. I love the truck and want it right!
Everything you just stated is complete BS. I defy you to call 10 GM dealers right now and ask them how many tranny failures they have had. The fact is the 4l60e is the most reliabletranny ever made in a 1/2 ton truck. I agree that they are not truely tranny failures, but then why would toyota treat them as such, instead of just reflash the pcm as you suggest. Oh, i get it, because toyota goes above and beyond the call of duty. And then to replace some peoples twice or more, OK. And man you have friends everywhere that you talk to. The hottest selling truck out there, you better look again.
Dude your BS is so old I almost care not to even respond to you. Get a life and go hang out on a GM forum as its clear thats what you own and love and they are soooo trouble free! I am not even going to get into my opinion of the quality of GM's, Fords, or Dodges again, it will take this thread way off course which is what you desire and seek in almost every thread you turn into combat with a Tundra owner. GET A LIFE!!!!!!!! I'd be willing to bet my paycheck that my local GM dealer has had more 2007 1/2 ton's towed in than Toyota has had 07 Tundras....Seriously....MY PAYCHECK vs yours!
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Originally Posted by slimjim2525 Yor're smart to wait. And these ney sayers here that it's a very small problem are wrong. I bet that only 2-3% of tundra owners visit this site, and look how many problems are here. And all your problems were with pre-1991 fords. Just so you know, domestic quality has increased 100 fold in the last ten years, were foreign quality has decreased.
The phrase Qaulity Control is akin to a swear word to the big 3! They care not but to shift units. They will keep your vehicle forever to 'tinker' with it and try and find a fault before they even call corporate. I had Fords from 1999 on inc. a 100th Anniversary Harley Supercrew which quality wise was a JOKE. Ya would think they might pay attention to such a model huh?
I'm with you on the CRAP call, but then many of us have come to expect this unsubstantiated and highly biased garbage from him. A propagandist through and through...probably has a cult following on the GM forum. I don't pay much attention to his rants since he doesn't own an '07 Tundra or have any first hand knowledge of it as near as I can tell. I will compliment him on his ability to cherry pick and spin information off this forum to try to make his points. To be honest, I think he's made it his mission in life to defend the brand and justify his own choice in trucks (I think an '07 Silverado...nice truck but the vast majority on this forum could care less!).
I'm pretty sure the "ignore him and hope he goes away" approach won't work but it's worth a try.
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My service manager here tells me they replace the whole thing instead of trying to fix the tranny because of the lack of facilities and skilled technicians qualified to do tranny rebuilds. It would cost dealerships(Toyota) more to have the clean facilities and trained technicians for tranny disassembly and repair. Much more cost effective to tear it out and put in a new one.
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I don't pay much attention to his rants since he doesn't own an '07 Tundra or have any first hand knowledge of it as near as I can tell. I will compliment him on his ability to cherry pick and spin information off this forum to try to make his points. To be honest, I think he's made it his mission in life to defend the brand and justify his own choice in trucks (I think an '07 Silverado...nice truck but the vast majority on this forum could care less!).
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