im old school when it come to car and trucks,i did an oil change on my wife 2007 rav4 with 700 mile . my 2007 tundra with 750 miles is next.most people think im not,but i was alway told change the oil after 500 miles new .when they get 5000 it mobil 1 for now on .
Most modern imports come with special additives in the oil that help condition the engine and protect against "hot-spots" and any residual shavings during the intial break-in. I know that only because I read it in the owner's manual of my '06 Acura TSX and the wife's '06 RAV4 Sport. The only time I let the motor oil go past 3K is on the first batch. I will run it to the stipulated 6 months or 5K, whichever comes first.
on my motorcycles, i always changed the oil around 100 miles when brand new. On the tundra i'm waiting until the 5K mark for it's first oil change. Why? B/c oil changes look like a PITA on the 07 Tundra.
Most modern imports come with special additives in the oil that help condition the engine and protect against "hot-spots" and any residual shavings during the intial break-in. I know that only because I read it in the owner's manual of my '06 Acura TSX and the wife's '06 RAV4 Sport. The only time I let the motor oil go past 3K is on the first batch. I will run it to the stipulated 6 months or 5K, whichever comes first.
I will change my oil (and filter) at about 2,000 miles and go with Mobile 1 or Amsoil ... and then change it (and filter) every 3,000 miles.
... (I want to get all that small metal particulate out as soon as possible) ...
Anybody know of a good magnetic oil drain plug ?? ..... Hard to find really strong magnetic ones today. ..
And I will NEVER let anyone change my oil but me. .. Unless I am in ICU at the hospital. ..
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Changed mine today at 520 miles. Friend of mine owns a quick oil change place and lets me come in 1st thing in the morning and change my own oil at his business.
It was certainly a different experience from what I am used to and he had one of his guys shadow me since they have never changed the oil on a 07 Tundra.
Had to purchase the oil filter or oil change kit from the dealership and we put in 5w20 Mobil 1. The oil was very clean in color but the filter did have some very small metal shavings in it. This is not a bad thing since it means that the filter was doing its job.
I am not one for waiting past 500 miles to change the oil on a new engine. I will probably change it again at 1000 miles and then I will go to the factory recommended 5000 mile interval.
My buddy that owns the business says that he changes his oil after 100 miles and then again at 500 miles to try and get all of the metal shavings out.
i changed my oil at 750 miles 3200 miles and 6200 miles ... my truck takes about 15 minutes to do a oil change because it doesent have the skid plate (thank God) i use oem filter and oem recomended 0w20 toyota brand synthetic oil
I have a 2007 Accord and I got the first oil change free from the dealer. I brought it in at 3k and they would not change it before 5k per Honda instructions. They also said the oil from the factory had special additives and need to stay in there.
Is there an automotive study demonstrating that changing oil before the recommended 5K interval, as the manual states, has PROVEN benefit? I don't like wasting my time or money based simply on opinion.
Is there an automotive study demonstrating that changing oil before the recommended 5K interval, as the manual states, has PROVEN benefit? I don't like wasting my time or money based simply on opinion.
when you break in any motor -tran -rear -4x4 case there is metel shaving -metal dust.it from gear matting up .in the older car they told you at 500 mile to change it .my lawn mower said at 5 hour first then 50 there after.it couldnt hurt .you have a 35-50 thousand dollar truck ,for 20-25 of peace of mind ????i look in my book and it doent said anything(that i could find)about not changing it .i been using mobile 1 and mobil 1 filter for years and changing it every 5000 mile .so normaly that about 150-200 a year for peace of mind .i waste more then that on coffee a year !!!!
I don't know. Just my opinion and belief, so if you guys do it differently, rock on to each their own. But for me, I think it is pointless to change the oil earlier that the recommended schedule. Psychologically, it may make you feel better and if it does then great, may be it is worth the extra dinero to do it.
However for me, synthetic oils, oil changes every 1000 miles, and some of the other ways people spend money is a waste. I think folks are looking for ways to be involved with their trucks and they get a sense of "customizing" it, even if it is just an oil and filter change with the oil of your choice.
If Toyota recommended that the oil be synthetic oil only, like a BMW or Porsche, then sure, we should be putting Mobil 1 in the Tundra, but if not, there really is no need to.
I recently put the metal sport pedals on my Tundra. Spent $30 on it. It looks pretty, but in no way significantly protects or improves the performance of my Tundra. But, I do feel good about install them, so it was worth the $30. Just my 2 cents.
im old school when it come to car and trucks,i did an oil change on my wife 2007 rav4 with 700 mile . my 2007 tundra with 750 miles is next.most people think im not,but i was alway told change the oil after 500 miles new .when they get 5000 it mobil 1 for now on .
Why not read the Owners Manual and follow the manufacturer suggestions?
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There are a lot of us that are "old school", but things have changed.
The engines today don't work as hard as the old days, just look at RPMs on the tach. I agree with the earlier statement: Do whatever makes you feel good...
There are a lot of smart people who designed this stuff and put forth recommended maintenance...as long as we do that everything "should" be OK.
I have engineer friends who are part of engine design teams at a couple different car/truck manufacturers, and I have engineer friends who have worked in auto racing and engine building, who have taken apart more engines than they can count.
They all agree that this oil change issue is one that affects engine longevity. Generally, for those people who don't keep their vehicle longer than 60K or 100K miles, it won't matter to them. But for those people who plan to keep their vehicles beyond the warranty miles, and for those people who buy used vehicles with high miles (60K+), it can matter a lot.
I've seen some of the engines that have been taken apart, and I've seen lots of photos of the metal particals/shavings and the internal engine areas that got close examination. Its very clear, and easily seen, that extended interval oil changes (such as the 5K-10K mile intervals) are damaging to the engine in terms of wear. The amount of wear varies a lot depending on a number of factors including heat, and rpm's, and whether the engine is able to achieve proper operating temperature during driving cycles (short drives from engine on to engine off are often described as extreme duty, and more frequent oil changes are usually recommended).
Those engines that have more frequent oil changes (such as every 3000 miles, or even more often) tend to show much less wear.
But does that "wear" mean that your engine won't run? No, it just affects your engine's efficiency, power, and gas mileage, and eventually (at high miles) will lead to the need for a rebuild because of oil consumption or oil burning, etc.
Without frequent oil changes, quite a few internal engine parts (such as piston rings and valve guides, etc) will wear down more quickly, which results in the compression in the cylinders dropping off sooner, and you'll get more oil blow-by over time (meaning that you're engine will be drinking more oil).
My engineer friends also agree that the early oil changes are some of the most important ones because those are during the "break in" period. They tell me that its called "break in" for a reason, and thats when the most metal particles get in the oil. The break in period apparently varies depending on your particular engine and how it was designed etc. Most mfr's say their break in period is around 1K miles.
Again, the consensus among my engineer friends is that if you are planning to keep your vehicle well beyond the warranty period and into the high mileage numbers (such as over 100K miles), or if you simply want to maintain the maximum possible power and gas mileage for the 60K miles that many people keep their vehicles for, then its a good idea to change the oil and filter at the 500 to 1000 mile point, and then again at the 3000 mile point. How often you change it after that would depend on what type of driving you do (short drives or long drives), how you drive (high revs, or grandma slow, etc), and on what type of oil you use (synthetic will last longer and tolerate higher temperatures than dino oil). Their recommendation for most people is that they stick to a 3000 mile oil change interval, after those initial "break-in" oil changes.
Another few points from my engineer friends, which I would have to agree with:
Many people do not check their oil level, just as they don't check their tire pressures. If you drive 5K or 10K miles between oil changes, its not uncommon to be down a quart or two (or three or four) by that point, especially if you didn't change the oil during or after the important break-in period, and if you do a lot of high speed (high revs) driving. So although the engine oil itself might still be good after X number of miles, there is a question of whether you still have the proper amount of oil present in your engine after so many thousands of miles. Being low by a couple quarts of oil is a huge potential problem for many engines that only have a crankcase capacity of 4 or 5 quarts. So, the recommendation for most people is to have their oil changed every 3K miles to not only avoid engine wear, but also to avoid the problems that could arise from not checking oil levels.
They point me to places such as Blackstone labs, that can give you an analysis of whats in your oil and how your engine is doing in terms of wear. Without taking the engine apart, you can determine a lot by seeing whats in the oil at any time by sending them an oil sample. Some of the major car rental companies use such oil analysis to tell them when its a good time to sell off any particular rental vehicle.
The Blackstone lab analysis has been done by quite a few people on the Audiworld.com forums over the last seven years, as this same topic has been debated on there as well. The results are definitely eye opening for some people who had mistakenly believed the nonsense from the auto makers about the special additives, or the "special" oil that is allegedly put into new vehicles, etc.
On a separate but related note, the one thing that my engineer friends don't all agree upon is this:
How should you drive your new vehicle during the break-in period? Should you be gentle with the driving and keep the revs low, or should you rev it high periodically and hammer on it? There are different schools of thought for both of these, and I see some validity to both arguments. What I haven't see are comparison engine tear downs after be driven under those two different conditions for those first 1K+ miles.
My response post is not meant to criticize anybody or their oil change methodology. The above info is merely meant to add to the discussion, and give some insight on the topic.
For me, I change my oil during the break-in period, at 700-1000 miles, and I'll change it again at 3000 miles, and then every 3000 thereafter. I also change the transmission fluid and differential fluids after the first 5K miles, and then more often than the mfr's recommendations. I've done that for over 20 years, and I've put 150,000 miles on a number of vehicles using that approach, and even after that many miles none of those engines were burning oil, and I haven't had any tranny failures, etc, despite those vehicles being driven very hard.
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