If it screws anything up but we tell our dealer that you said it was OK will they still cover it under warranty?
Look...if you want to contribute something meaningful to the forum then by all means use your brain and say something useful.
If you did a little....and I mean just a little research before you comment you would realize how ridiculous you are being.
I gave an educated comment...what do you know about the subject matter?
If you don't do your own research and you pour 5 gallons into your tank....that's your problem.
After your truck blows up if you are stupid enough to tell them you put 5 gallons of acetone in your tank then I guess you can face the music.
Uneducated, misinformed and ill mannered people like you are what ruin this forum for the people like me who are trying to share meaningful information.
Just because it's something you know absolutely nothing about and it's different from anything you've ever tried doesn't mean the rest of the world should stop until it gets your approval.
If you did do a little homework...and I mean just a little...you would KNOW that at the small concentration I recommended...absolutely nothing will be harmed in the testing of this theory or with continual use.
Thanks for wasting my time!
PS...why not post some info contrary to my opinion and provide some proof of your research next time rather than simply spouting off at the mouth.....
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<August 20, 2006 Auto Clinic: Acetone Increases MPG?, Where Is My Minivan's Cabin Air Filter?, Throttle Body Spacers Increase MPG?, 2-Cycle Engines and Alcohol-Based Gas, Plymouth Voyager Mystery, Ford Focus Air FilterSenior Editor Mike Allen answers readers' car questions.
Q: I have a 2001 Toyota Tacoma. Is it true that I can increase my gas mileage by adding 4-5 oz. of acetone per 16 gallons of gas?
If so, are there any risks of damage to the engine?
KEVIN
A: No, it's not true. Yes, you can damage the engine.
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Check this out, it is from the GM service manual and has a link to a site for treatments that have been tested by the gov.
WHAT NOT TO DO: Engine and Fuel Additives, Alternate Fuels, and "Miracle" Products
Various unproven products to improve vehicle fuel economy have been reported ranging from magnets that align molecules to chemical combustion improvers.
Most products claiming to provide benefits are based on unsubstantiated claims. Those that do present "scientific" results generally either have too little supporting data to be conclusive, have not conducted experiments in a controlled fashion, or cannot be substantiated by anyone else but the product's manufacturer.
The U.S. Federal Trade Commission summarizes results for products tested by the federal government at FTC Bureau of Consumer Protection. A review of the list shows that the majority did not work, and for those that showed some effect, the benefit was too small to be cost effective.
Harmful Ideas That May Damage Your Vehicle and Increase Emissions
One more recent poor idea to improve fuel economy that should not be attempted is to blend either kerosene or diesel fuel into gasoline. Why? Both kerosene and diesel fuel are distillate fuels meant for use in compression ignition engines, not spark ignition engines. They have very low octane and since they are heavier (higher density) than gasoline, they will cause heavy engine deposits and degradation of engine oil.
Notice: Never put Kerosene or Diesel Fuel in your Gasoline Engine vehicle. This may result in inconsistent performance and permanent damage to your vehicle that is not covered by your New Vehicle Warranty.
Notice: Never use acetone, ketones, or methanol additives in your vehicle. Some of these solvents may damage or corrode your fuel system. They are also very damaging to the painted surfaces of the vehicle if spilled.
Chemicals that are normally used as solvents also should not be used. These include acetone, ketones, and methanol. These solvents can be incompatible with your vehicles rubber or sealing components, and may dissolve the vehicle’s paint finish. In the case of methanol, corrosion of metal parts in the fuel system also may occur.
Tone it down a notch guys, and if you need to continue, PM's are the way to go.
As far as the Acetone goes, I have never attempted to use it or read into it for fuel economy purposes, however I have heard and also used Sherwin-Williams Toluene (pure paint thinner) which basically is an octane booster. It does work if mixed correctly, but I won't delve into that here. If anyone wants to know more, just search google or PM me.
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<August 20, 2006 Auto Clinic: Acetone Increases MPG?, Where Is My Minivan's Cabin Air Filter?, Throttle Body Spacers Increase MPG?, 2-Cycle Engines and Alcohol-Based Gas, Plymouth Voyager Mystery, Ford Focus Air FilterSenior Editor Mike Allen answers readers' car questions.
Q: I have a 2001 Toyota Tacoma. Is it true that I can increase my gas mileage by adding 4-5 oz. of acetone per 16 gallons of gas?
If so, are there any risks of damage to the engine?
KEVIN
A: No, it's not true. Yes, you can damage the engine.
This link has absolutely no useful information. There is no scientific evidence. As a matter of fact...there is absolutely NO research whatsoever. Just a snide ill informed remark. It reminded me of your first post toward me on the subject.
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Check this out, it is from the GM service manual and has a link to a site for treatments that have been tested by the gov.
WHAT NOT TO DO: Engine and Fuel Additives, Alternate Fuels, and "Miracle" Products
Various unproven products to improve vehicle fuel economy have been reported ranging from magnets that align molecules to chemical combustion improvers.
Most products claiming to provide benefits are based on unsubstantiated claims. Those that do present "scientific" results generally either have too little supporting data to be conclusive, have not conducted experiments in a controlled fashion, or cannot be substantiated by anyone else but the product's manufacturer.
Acetone isn't one of the various unproven products. It has been proven in several CONTROLLED SCIENTIFIC tests. And since Acetone CAN BE SUBSTANTIATED by thousands of sources...I would believe that these two paragraph's are non-applicable and should have been left out of your reply.
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The U.S. Federal Trade Commission summarizes results for products tested by the federal government at FTC Bureau of Consumer Protection. A review of the list shows that the majority did not work, and for those that showed some effect, the benefit was too small to be cost effective.
FTC link you provided was pointless. Did you know that if you actually goto the FTC webpage you linked to...press CTRL+F while viewing the page...and search for "Acetone" in the Find box that pops up...you will find NOTHING. Why...because this page DOES NOT PERTAIN TO ACETONE. No evidence to support you whatsoever.
"majority did not work" and "benefit was too small to be cost effective". Acetone is not part of the "majority" mentioned...as a matter of fact...it's not even mentioned in the case study that this article refers to...so...once again you have provided nothing to argue your case. By the way...if you don't think that a few pennies spent on Acetone to save several gallons of gasoline at $3.00 or more per gallon isn't "cost effective" than I think you need to explain your definition of "cost effective".
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Harmful Ideas That May Damage Your Vehicle and Increase Emissions
Notice: Never use acetone, ketones, or methanol additives in your vehicle. Some of these solvents may damage or corrode your fuel system. They are also very damaging to the painted surfaces of the vehicle if spilled.
Chemicals that are normally used as solvents also should not be used. These include acetone, ketones, and methanol. These solvents can be incompatible with your vehicles rubber or sealing components, and may dissolve the vehicle’s paint finish. In the case of methanol, corrosion of metal parts in the fuel system also may occur.
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Methanol is corrosive...without a doubt. The majority of alcohols will form azeotropes with water. So why are the Big 3 building vehicles that are supposed to be able to run on these Alcohol based fuels? Why are some gas stations adding Alcohol to fuels?
It's called money. Alcohol based fuels may cost a few cents less but they create less power and can cause corrosion. The consumer spends more money on fuel and repairs in the long run...which benefits who??? No need for me to state the obvious.
Acetone without a doubt can damage paint. You have to be careful when adding it to the fuel tank. At the concentrations that are recommended IT WILL NOT HARM THE FUEL SYSTEM....PERIOD.
Acetone GREATLY reduces emissions when added to gasoline at the recommended rates.
The article you quoted from is vague at best and seems more like a general disclaimer to protect somebody's butt...rather than any scientific evidence to contradict the use of Acetone with gasoline.
This link provides no argument to support your case. It actually is nothing but references to the link I sent you from my Google search....which actually supports my case. I'm glad to see you read it before you posted it.
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No offense but I think I'll pass on this one. If I want another 0.1 mpg I'll change my driving habits. Thanks anyway.
At the average 15-25% increase people see with there vehicles you would get an increase of 3-5 miles per gallon. Some people see significantly higher numbers than that. CLICK HERE and you can see some individual studies by average Joe's and results. So again you have posted another ill informed remark with the "0.1 mpg" comment.
I personally don't see any thing in your latest post that has done what I asked you to do...provide scientific studies to contradict the claims. You have merely linked to generic comments that do not address the use of Acetone directly...very vague at best.
Your choice to try it or not is....your choice. Everyone that does the research has a choice on whether or not they want to take the so called risk or not. My purpose with my posts have been to help provide valuable information to those who are interested in this subject.
Your conservative view point is welcome...but if you are going to post on the subject then how about posting something meaningful...and don't attack other peoples character in the process because of things you don't understand. That's all I'm asking.
One other note...I'm not picking on you...you picked on me when you quoted me in a post. I can honestly say that prior to your post the majority of what other users had commented on the subject were also ill informed and without research (poor emissions, emission system damage and fuel system damage come to mind).
I don't think mere opinions without research are appropriate as replys to this post. Do your homework people.
FXNGLAS...Too much useful information to waste PMing someone who has already made up there mind(researched or not) about this subject. I believe I have a right to defend myself here.
Also...why not elaborate more on your personal use of additives. You obviously have valuable insight through your own experience that would be useful to the community. Maybe a new category in the forums should be created for alternative fuels/additives and such. Just a suggestion.
See ya'!
PS...I am the Senior Engineer for one of the largest chemical recyclers and chemical equipment manufacturers in the country. I know first hand what Acetone is capable of since my facility recycles Acetone from DPS(Di-polysulphone also spelled Di-polysulfone) at millions of pounds per year. I am stating this not as an ego boost or to be cocky...but because I am somewhat of an expert in the subject of Acetone and it's uses and I believe you have challenged my credibility.
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This link has absolutely no useful information. There is no scientific evidence. As a matter of fact...there is absolutely NO research whatsoever.
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I personally don't see any thing in your latest post that has done what I asked you to do...provide scientific studies to contradict the claims. You have merely linked to generic comments that do not address the use of Acetone directly...very vague at best.
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One other note...I'm not picking on you...you picked on me when you quoted me in a post. I can honestly say that prior to your post the majority of what other users had commented on the subject were also ill informed and without research...emissions comments and fuel damage come to mind.
I don't think mere opinions without research are appropriate as replys to this post. Do your homework people.
You have asked over and over for research and scientific studies but I have read your OP several times and I don't see any research and scientific studies there either, just a mention of college studies you have read.
BTW, calling someone a LOSER and smart *** could be considered picking on them. It's OK, doesn't bother me all that much.
My original question was a fair question to ask (even if it was done so in a sarcastic way). Let me ask again: If one of us puts acetone in out tank and does have some issues as a result, do you think that Toyota would cover the repairs under warranty? Do you think they should?
Maybe from here on out we can try to keep this discussion civil.
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You have asked over and over for research and scientific studies but I have read your OP several times and I don't see any research and scientific studies there either, just a mention of college studies you have read.
You're obviously not reading the articles. If you read them and followed the links provided in those articles you would see that SEVERAL studies have been done. You are showing your hard headedness and immaturity by proceeding to beat a dead horse just so you can be right...when you are obviously wrong and unapologetic.
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My original question was a fair question to ask (even if it was done so in a sarcastic way). Let me ask again: If one of us puts acetone in out tank and does have some issues as a result, do you think that Toyota would cover the repairs under warranty? Do you think they should?
Again...if you would do your research you would know that it doesn't hurt anything...so why answer the question to a mute point? There are SEVERAL other additives that are on the market today as well as Alcohol based fuels being sold that DO damage the fuel line system and engine components. Even these BAD additives are in such small ratios that they aren't going to void your warranty. We're not dumping sugar in the gas tank.
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Maybe from here on out we can try to keep this discussion civil.
I think I have been since I REACTED to your first insulting post. You should probably take heed of your own advice since you are the one that chose to "fire off the hip" so to speak without doing any research first. I also believe you are attempting to threaten retribution with your "picking on me" comment. You started it...I merely responded to your insult. As of yet you have failed miserably in your arguments to support your claims so now you are going off subject with the threats of retribution. Nice job.
Again...read...research...educate yourself...and then let us know what you discover. You may actually learn something in the process that could save you some money...and then do something useful by sharing the information with others.
You're obviously not reading the articles. If you read them and followed the links provided in those articles you would see that SEVERAL studies have been done. You are showing your hard headedness and immaturity by proceeding to beat a dead horse just so you can be right...when you are obviously wrong and unapologetic.
Again...if you would do your research you would know that it doesn't hurt anything...so why answer the question to a mute point? There are SEVERAL other additives that are on the market today as well as Alcohol based fuels being sold that DO damage the fuel line system and engine components. Even these BAD additives are in such small ratios that they aren't going to void your warranty. We're not dumping sugar in the gas tank.
I think I have been since I REACTED to your first insulting post. You should probably take heed of your own advice since you are the one that chose to "fire off the hip" so to speak without doing any research first. I also believe you are attempting to threaten retribution with your "picking on me" comment. You started it...I merely responded to your insult. As of yet you have failed miserably in your arguments to support your claims so now you are going off subject with the threats of retribution. Nice job.
Again...read...research...educate yourself...and then let us know what you discover. You may actually learn something in the process that could save you some money...and then do something useful by sharing the information with others.
Which studies do you suggest I read before I post here again?
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"Never underestimate how much people are willing to spend on their kids, their pets or their trucks!"
If you can't find them in my posts...then I suggest Google.
I think I have provided more than enough evidence if you follow the links in my post.
Personally I know when to give up on a dead horse so to speak...and will not waste anymore of my time replying to useless comments that are merely reiterations of other useless comments. When you provide educational material to the contrary I will be more than happy to respond(as I have to your other unrelated responses)...as I have stated repeatedly in prior posts. I can't make it any more clearer for you.
If you can't find them in my posts...then I suggest Google.
I think I have provided more than enough evidence if you follow the links in my post.
Personally I know when to give up on a dead horse so to speak...and will not waste anymore of my time replying to useless comments that are merely reiterations of other useless comments. When you provide educational material to the contrary I will be more than happy to respond(as I have to your other unrelated responses)...as I have stated repeatedly in prior posts. I can't make it any more clearer for you.
I know a dead horse when I see one too. Finally, something we can agree on. Later.
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"Never underestimate how much people are willing to spend on their kids, their pets or their trucks!"
I know a dead horse when I see one too. Finally, something we can agree on. Later.
Again you have shown your level of maturity.
I can honestly say that I did read all of the links you provided...and responded intelligently...methodically picking them apart one by one and proved that they were nothing more than nonsense.
You have done absolutely nothing to argue your point...so we will have to assume that your point is what it is..... pointless.
A bigger man could swallow his foolish pride and admit when he was wrong...apologize...and move on. That pill called pride is sometimes too much for certain people to swallow.
I still have yet to see you provide any useful information on the subject of Acetone added to gasoline. Thanks for nothing...other then harrassing a real contributor to the TS forum.
This can be had at Walgreens and sometimes Home Depot in gallon cans.
I will be more than happy to do the testing on my '07 DC...after I get my first oil change at 3K and have a reference.
I'll post my results in the TS forum. I don't expect great results because I believe the engines do a pretty good job of burning the fuel efficiently. Might see a little more power...and that would be good on the low side.
Gotta' test it to find out though.
Sometimes you gotta think outside the box...right TNK?
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