"How in the hell can over 1 million people rate..."
All 1.3 million respondents to the survey aren't rating your '07 Tundra, partner.
Correct and thats why the guy you responded to was saying that only a few paying subscribers/complainers reported negatively about their Tundras which has to be the cause for the report change, cuz the majority of owners arent having reliability issues with their trucks.
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1Wow - amazing how Tundra zealots are throwing everything they can at Consumer Reports, with little understanding of how the magazine works. 2 No matter how you spin it, this is *BAD* news. The ratings are based on surveys tabulated by a non-profit! They have no agenda! They have been recommending Tundras for years so this is not good.
I happen to think they're spot on with many of their comments -- i.e. the 3 jittery ride, 4 poor gas mileage, 5 rough TRD package, 6 strong acceleration, 7 no full-time 4WD, impressive tailgate...
8 Please stop the whining - it makes us look like children.
1. I don't care how they work, when they are wrong I call BS.
2. They may be non profit, but if they don't have an agenda they don't have a purpose. I go to work every day with an agenda - earn money to support my family. I volunteer at my church with an agenda to advance the kingdom of the lord. They have an agenda too, but it may not always be what it seems.
3 The ride is great. If they are referring to the bed bounce issue then they should say it or shut up.
4 poor compared to what, a Prius? If they have another vehicle that can seat 6, haul a half a ton and pull 5 more while getting better mileage then tell us what it is and I'll trade mine ASAP.
5 The TRD is not "rough" it is FIRM. If it was a luxury package then it should be smooth, but since it is a toyota RACING developement package it should be FIRM. If they didn't like then they should have asked for one with out it like I did.
6. Maybe the real reason they down rated it. Too much power and it has to be destroying the atmosphere and raping the planet in some way. but it still gets the best real world mileage of any half ton and is rated ulevII.
7. Stupid reason to down rate a truck. In the real world having a simple rugged transfer case that does what you tell it is a good thing.
8. No whining going on here. Just some enthusiasts seeing a vehicle that they like trashed for poor reasons and trying to apply logic to it.
I think that the CR is full of CRAP! I have had nothing but good times in Tundra. I have owned 3 toyota's and had nothing but a sold running ride. Yes, things sometimes get screwed up, but you know what? that is mechanics. I test drove a dodge, ford, chevy and i put them thru the test. I did my OWN report on them and I just didn't drive one I drove about 3 of each before I made up my mind. The Tundra over all was a better truck for the money. It cost a little more, but you get some much more truck. I read the report that CR put out and i think they are wrong and off base. My advice is go and do your own investigation on each truck and put it thru hell. Just don't read about it in some report and consider it true... Honestly, if the Tundra is such a bad truck, why can't they keep them in stock at the dealer?
Dude....both of my Tacomas with the 3.4L V-6 you had to remove the skid plate in order to change the oil...
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Really? Was the skid plate removal on that one as much of a hassle as it seems to be on the new Tundra? I never had a vehicle like that. All my vehicles the oil filter is easily accessible. I never had to remove any body parts to get at it. But then fuel filters used to be right out in the open and a five minute job, too.
Both my 4runner's have skid plate also. Everytime I change oil, I have to remove the skid plate and that is not a problem for me since it is not a daily routine thing. I'm just glad that the bottom of my car or truck is protected.
They didn't mislead you and you certainly can't file a lawsuit; it was CLEARLY stated that the rating was based on previous model history.
That was a semi-joke sir. Since you have a relative working for CR why don't you see if you can find out some inside info. as far as getting a little more specifics on what these problems with the 4WD systems really are.
I’m not sure I get this CR review at all… by all measures (even consumer reviews posted on their site), they’re doing as good or better than the competition. The Tundra gets dinged for a rough ride with the TRD package and the 4wd system automatically disengaging electronic stability control, but the predicted reliability of the truck is poor. The funny thing is that almost every measure of the truck from drive train to owner satisfaction to depreciation is either excellent or very good. But somehow predicted reliability is poor. I guess we’ll all find out in a few years… maybe they see potential problems that we can’t see or maybe it was based on the initial transmission problems that came out with the first builds. Either way though, this will look bad for Toyota for sure. But I think that we can’t discount this yet, nor can we confirm it because it isn’t something that is easily measured right now. So, I guess we’ll just have to wait and see. So far for me, no problem on my 4x4 CM. I hope it will stay that way!
Christ, who cares? I'm not going to buy or not buy a car because CR recommended it or not. This is like reading that the surgeon general says that saturated fats are bad so hence, cut back on the pizza and chinese food. I've always felt that, that publication was for those housewives and guys who know nothing about autos, so they need someone to act as a so called "expert" to guide them. Really, if you need someone or some organization dictate all your decisions, whose life are you living?
This doesn't make ANY sense at all. How the he!! can the 4x2 get such high marks and the 4x4 get so low? Something about this CR report is just not right. They're the same truck for crying out loud!
................."CONSUMER REPORTS CAR RELIABILITY FAQ"????????
I am not exactly sure which month the CR survey is taken but it is in the Spring (item #1.4 of the above cited website).
In the Spring of 2007, very few 2007 Tundras had been sold. (came on market in late February, 2007?) Hardly time for many of the CR subscribers to have purchased a 2007 Tundra, much less, to have had any problems to report.
.........SOMETHING SMELLS IN DENMARK!..................
Maybe they are basing their predicted reliability of the 2007's on their survey reports for 2005 and 2006 Tundras, etc. But I certainly do not think there were any reliability issues with these models. Or was there? Something sure smells fishy!
So let me get this right.
The 2 wheel drive scores as #1 out of 21.
But
The 4 wheel drive scores as #20 out of 21 (second to the worst)
With the same drive train from just behind the front wheels back?
I have not seen one reported problem with the 4x4 system, at all.
CR's information is simply not compiled correctly.
Could it be that they have not received any/enough data?...
Has anyone here filled out a Consumer Reports Survey on their 2007 Tundra?
ANYONE?!!
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Are they letting the guy that came by the Toyota Dealership for a free hot dog during a special sales event and test drove one for 10 miles rate the reliability?
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You think 1million test drives reported? Or was is 10% of the total test drives? That means 10million people test drove the 07 Tundra. wow!! Either way, that's a high number of the US driving population.
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1. I don't care how they work, when they are wrong I call BS.
I agree somewhat -- it seems premature to rate a new model that hasn't been on the road that long...
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2. They may be non profit, but if they don't have an agenda they don't have a purpose....
So their agenda just radically changed and they're anti-Toyota now? Doubtful.
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3 The ride is great. If they are referring to the bed bounce issue then they should say it or shut up.
You're kidding right? My truck's ride is by far it's greatest drawback.
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4 poor compared to what, a Prius? If they have another vehicle that can seat 6, haul a half a ton and pull 5 more while getting better mileage then tell us what it is and I'll trade mine ASAP.
Interesting point, I think we'd all like to variable cylinder management offered like the competition.
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5 The TRD is not "rough" it is FIRM. If it was a luxury package then it should be smooth, but since it is a toyota RACING developement package it should be FIRM. If they didn't like then they should have asked for one with out it like I did.
They tried them both. I agree they're both bad, but the TRD has an even worse ride...
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6. Maybe the real reason they down rated it. Too much power and it has to be destroying the atmosphere and raping the planet in some way. but it still gets the best real world mileage of any half ton and is rated ulevII.
The competition has better EPA ratings, e.g. Silverado, which will only get better once they have the 6-speed...
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7. Stupid reason to down rate a truck. In the real world having a simple rugged transfer case that does what you tell it is a good thing.
I would love to have full-time 4WD and stability and traction control that doesn't turn off in 4WD.
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8. No whining going on here. Just some enthusiasts seeing a vehicle that they like trashed for poor reasons and trying to apply logic to it.
I think they're good reasons - I just wonder if they have enough data yet to make a reliability conclusion - however the ride issues are serious.
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