Wow, I can't believe that consumer reports rated the tundra poorly, but it sure is ironic how just a few months ago people on this board were so busy bashing GM,Ford And dodge and their only undisputable evidence of toyotas superiority over the domestics was CR. Now the same people are saying CR is a joke and nobody should ever even acknowledge CR's existence b/c they said something bad about the TUndra.
Not to mention the poor guy who leaked the info about the impending poor reliability rating. The guy was nice as could be, and stated time and again how much he liked the tundra and was planning on getting one, but the fact he said something against the Tundra almost had him banned.
I said the same thing when i was defending GM, and now i will make the same comment in regards to the Tundra we own. CR is junk. They are soo clueless. The one scenario that stands out the most to me was when they reviewed two GM cars "cant rember which one in particular" The cars were identical in every aspect, they were just rebadges which anybody who is familiar with GM should know is the same exact car with a differenct front facia. One was rated horrible the other was good. CR even cited things in particular such as the drivetrain, which was the same in both vehicles.... After reading that article i never put any faith into what CR has to say.
Bottom line the tundra is a good truck, not a great or perfect truck, and imo deserves a much better rating than what is given by CR.
On another note yay, now resale is going to be lower and people like myself who shop used can get an even better deal....
Ahhhh.........Denial is the only thing to fall back on sometimes. The Tundra has problems, accept it and maybe Toyota will even correct the problems.
Makes me think of all the people who posted topics dealing with poor gas mileage and poor ride and how they were skewered. Are they vindicated now? Always keep an open mind on vehicles because all the manufacturers have issues from time to time.
The competition has better EPA ratings, e.g. Silverado, which will only get better once they have the 6-speed...
Only the Chevy, it's 1MPG better Highway mileage better than a Tundra. Ford, Titan, Dodge, and Tundra are all the same Highway mileage.
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I would love to have full-time 4WD and stability and traction control that doesn't turn off in 4WD.
I don't know, it requires an inter-axle differential (added weight), a driveline, differential, etc, that's turning and in use full time for no reason, wasting extra fuel, wear and tear etc. A couple of our mechanics at work had it in their Chevies years ago and they both bought the conversion kits to convert to selectable 4WD.
More on topic, I wonder if many people have complained to CR about the automatic VSC and ALSD lockout when in 4WD and CR considers that a "defect". I can't recall any posts here complaining about a 4WD related repair like transfer case, etc.
And poor mileage? A 5000+lb. vehicle, 381HP and my wife gets 22MPG round trip (200+ miles) to Billings, Mt. last Friday---gimmie a break. With 20 minutes of slow city driving, and going gradually from 3000Ft. to 5000Ft. elevation I got 19.1 with mine from there home the day I bought mine.
Wow, I can't believe that consumer reports rated the tundra poorly, but it sure is ironic how just a few months ago people on this board were so busy bashing GM,Ford And dodge and their only undisputable evidence of toyotas superiority over the domestics was CR. Now the same people are saying CR is a joke and nobody should ever even acknowledge CR's existence b/c they said something bad about the TUndra.
Not to mention the poor guy who leaked the info about the impending poor reliability rating. The guy was nice as could be, and stated time and again how much he liked the tundra and was planning on getting one, but the fact he said something against the Tundra almost had him banned.
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I suspect that a lot of the people posting here are stinking car salesmen. They go ballistic every time somebody makes any criticism, constructive or otherwise.
Only the Chevy, it's 1MPG better Highway mileage better than a Tundra. Ford, Titan, Dodge, and Tundra are all the same Highway mileage.
I stand corrected.
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I don't know, it requires an inter-axle differential (added weight), a driveline, differential, etc, that's turning and in use full time for no reason, wasting extra fuel, wear and tear etc. A couple of our mechanics at work had it in their Chevies years ago and they both bought the conversion kits to convert to selectable 4WD.
I'm confused -- my understanding is the full-time 4wd on the Silverado is selectable. You have a choice of 2wd, full time, hi-4wd, and lo-4wd. I have a hard time seeing any negatives here.
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More on topic, I wonder if many people have complained to CR about the automatic VSC and ALSD lockout when in 4WD and CR considers that a "defect".
Possible - but I can't imagine someone considering it a defect -- it's just a missing feature.
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And poor mileage? A 5000+lb. vehicle, 381HP and my wife gets 22MPG round trip (200+ miles) to Billings, Mt. last Friday---gimmie a break. With 20 minutes of slow city driving, and going gradually from 3000Ft. to 5000Ft. elevation I got 19.1 with mine from there home the day I bought mine.
They're just complaining about pickups in general, I believe they say this about every truck.
It's pretty obvious that some of us, here, are a little too invested in the reputation of our Tundras and Toyota in general. If you actually believed that Toyota was so great that they could never build a less than reliable vehicle in the first model year then you had it coming. Why the hell would anyone buy a truck in the first model year for the reliability anyway?
Toyota is a huge multi-faceted company. The Tundra was obviously designed and built with the usual compromises inherent in the large truck market. I'm sure they have a corporate culture of quality, however, the days of the dutiful Japanese factory worker with the white gloves are long gone. I don't think they are going to be handing out the white robes and sharp knives at the factory for this. And, I don't think Tundra owners are gonig to be recieving a box of T-shirts or floor mats to make up for the resale hit we just took, either.
None of this should be a surprise. The CR reliabilty ratings probably are a direct result of the surveys that were sent out. The results are probably divided between 2WD vs 4WD each in a different bin. I don't think they sat down and did an analysis of why they got back certain results for different models. They just published the results they got. That's the best protection against accusations of bias. For some reason, 4WD owners reported more problems than 2WD owners. Go figure.
The CR reports are unique in that the reliability ratings are based on actual user reports - not just on test drives by magazine staff. That's why it and JD Powers are so influential. If there is any criticism that can be leveled at the methodology it probably would be that the sample size and sample time period were probably too small.
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I'm confused -- my understanding is the full-time 4wd on the Silverado is selectable. You have a choice of 2wd, full time, hi-4wd, and lo-4wd. I have a hard time seeing any negatives here.
Double check your info before you put something down for everyone to see your error. It does not have a full time 4WD. What it has and I quote "When engaged, AUTO/4WD detects rear-wheel slippage and automatically shifts into 4WD as road conditions dictate." You might as well have it in 4WD to begin with. Sounds like alot of wear and tear switching in and out of 4WD. And no matter how fast it switches in and out, if you are in a skid, its way to late to "kick in the 4WD" and save you. Its just another added feature that can fail/need repair.
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they'll have it down by 2009/2010
you guys all sound surprised.. first year, brand new Engine and tranny. Now imagine yourself before you bought this truck.. What did you have to choose from?
i love my truck, i would'nt have bought anything else.. Maybe a chevy MAYBE but toyota has the rep, and i trust them.
OH and one more thing about Chev's AUTO4WD. Its not even on their 3/4 or 1 tons. Just another supposed "safety feature" for the 1/2 ton trucks. The real work horses (which I may add includes the Tundra) don't have this unwarranted feature.
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"When engaged, AUTO/4WD detects rear-wheel slippage and automatically shifts into 4WD as road conditions dictate."
Oh man, I'd like that in this country. I'm always floating the throttle and easing my Ford manually in and out of 4WD with the lever due to long stretches of dry pavement, then fairly long icy patches. My Polaris 4wheeler has that feature but I had no idea Chev had it.
I dont want auto anything when it comes to 4WD. If you live in a place where 4WD is needed each and every day you need to feel what your vehicle is doing and you need to feel what the road is doing. I will always opt to manually engage 4wd over any auto whatever system.Thats just me, and I live 4WD country.
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I dont want auto anything when it comes to 4WD. If you live in a place where 4WD is needed each and every day you need to feel what your vehicle is doing and you need to feel what the road is doing. I will always opt to manually engage 4wd over any auto whatever system.Thats just me, and I live 4WD country.
Auto 4wd is a great thing to have. Both of my Chevys had it, and I wish my Tundra had it.
Northern Nevada
summer=2wd
winter=4wd
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Double check your info before you put something down for everyone to see your error. It does not have a full time 4WD. What it has and I quote "When engaged, AUTO/4WD detects rear-wheel slippage and automatically shifts into 4WD as road conditions dictate." You might as well have it in 4WD to begin with. Sounds like alot of wear and tear switching in and out of 4WD. And no matter how fast it switches in and out, if you are in a skid, its way to late to "kick in the 4WD" and save you. Its just another added feature that can fail/need repair.
Wow - semantics. Everyone can see your Tundra bias. Your definition sounds like "full-time" to me - it's just smart enough not to use it until needed, saving gas and wear. It will kick in in milliseconds -- is that fast enough for you?
I bet you'll be the first to trumpet what a great feature it is when Toyota adds it to future Tundras.
I'll be the first one to make sure no one that drives my vehicle ever uses it. And another thing. there is more wear and strain on the system by always have it engage and unengage. Sounds like an attempt at idiot proofing a drive train for people who do not know when or how to use a 4WD. More complicated you make a system, the larger the chance you will have problems with it.
If you don't like your tundra for whatever reasons, trade it in on a chev if that is your preference. But at least count yourself lucky that you are trading a tundra in on a chev rather than the other way around because you get a better deal trading in a tundra rather than trading in a chev.
Can we now just get back to what this thread is all about (the idiots at CR) and stop all of this nonsense.
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I'll be the first one to make sure no one that drives my vehicle ever uses it. And another thing. there is more wear and strain on the system by always have it engage and unengage. Sounds like an attempt at idiot proofing a drive train for people who do not know when or how to use a 4WD. More complicated you make a system, the larger the chance you will have problems with it.
If you don't like your tundra for whatever reasons, trade it in on a chev if that is your preference. But at least count yourself lucky that you are trading a tundra in on a chev rather than the other way around because you get a better deal trading in a tundra rather than trading in a chev.
Can we now just get back to what this thread is all about (the idiots at CR) and stop all of this nonsense.
People said the same thing about ABS when it was first introduced. Do you think you can brake better than an ABS system? Your nervous system response is far slower than any computer. Keep in mind these systems are primarily software-based -- no physical wear and tear.
I believe this is on-topic because people like you are trying to discredit Consumer Reports by saying these criticisms are off-base.
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