Wow - semantics. Everyone can see your Tundra bias. Your definition sounds like "full-time" to me - it's just smart enough not to use it until needed, saving gas and wear. It will kick in in milliseconds -- is that fast enough for you?
I bet you'll be the first to trumpet what a great feature it is when Toyota adds it to future Tundras.
Flatironsdreamer,
If you go to the GM forums and do a search you will find threads discussing problems with the AWD system including constantly shifting in and out. While I think it might be a better system for on road driving, a true part time 4wd system is far more rugged and versatile for off roading.
Dude they are off base plain and simple. There has not been one failure related to a 4WD system on the 2007 Tundras that can attribute to the poor rating on the 4WD vs the 2WD. I dont give a chit what GM uses for their AWD/4WD system in their 1500's. Its totally irrelelvant to me I didn't buy a GM and never will. I wanted the ability to shift into 4WD when I want to and thats what I got. So once again to get back on track whats the grounds for a totally premature opinion of less than average reliability in the 4WD Tundra. Until someone can give me one example, I am gonna continue calling the whole thing BS cuz thats what it is. The bed bounce whining does not afflict 4WD's and not 2WD's. The handful of camshaft failures didn't affect 4WD vs 2WD, and this tranny rumble thing a few have isn't only in 4WD's. I demand that someone provide me the reasoning for this BS less than average rating for reliability (in a new truck that has yet to live long enough to prove chit) that only applies to the 4WD 07 Tundra! Anyone???
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Dude they are off base plain and simple. There has not been one failure related to a 4WD system on the 2007 Tundras that can attribute to the poor rating on the 4WD vs the 2WD. I dont give a chit what GM uses for their AWD/4WD system in their 1500's. Its totally irrelelvant to me I didn't buy a GM and never will. I wanted the ability to shift into 4WD when I want to and thats what I got. So once again to get back on track whats the grounds for a totally premature opinion of less than average reliability in the 4WD Tundra. Until someone can give me one example, I am gonna continue calling the whole thing BS cuz thats what it is. The bed bounce whining does not afflict 4WD's and not 2WD's. The handful of camshaft failures didn't affect 4WD vs 2WD, and this tranny rumble thing a few have isn't only in 4WD's. I demand that someone provide me the reasoning for this BS less than average rating for reliability (in a new truck that has yet to live long enough to prove chit) that only applies to the 4WD 07 Tundra! Anyone???
Hear! Hear! Could not have said it better myself!
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Flatironsdreamer,
If you go to the GM forums and do a search you will find threads discussing problems with the AWD system including constantly shifting in and out. While I think it might be a better system for on road driving, a true part time 4wd system is far more rugged and versatile for off roading.
Jim
My point is you can have both as a competitor does. I have yet to hear any rational reason why the GM system, in theory, is not better.
All 1/2 ton trucks will have it eventually, mark my words. Can we stop trying to come up with far-fetched reasons our trucks are superior in every way? Can't you admit that CR had some good points? I don't like their reliability ratings either, but you can't slam everything they've said because you don't like it.
My point is you can have both as a competitor does. I have yet to hear any rational reason why the GM system, in theory, is not better.
All 1/2 ton trucks will have it eventually, mark my words. Can we stop trying to come up with far-fetched reasons our trucks are superior in every way? Can't you admit that CR had some good points? I don't like their reliability ratings either, but you can't slam everything they've said because you don't like it.
So what are you implying? That because Toyota went with the same system that they have been using for I dont know what 8 years that has received no negative feedback ever, that all of a sudden a shift on the fly 4WD is less than average in reliability? I mean where the heck are we going with this subject of the 4wd system differences between GM and Toyota? I am still waiting for someone to enlighten me as to this less than averagereliability concept, and I am pretty sure it aint gonna happen!
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Not that I read CR or even follow their reports, I am gonna have to throw a huge waving BS flag on this one. From talking to techs at my local Toyota dealership the new Tundra in its first year of inception has had fewer issues than the first year Tundra did in 2000 (late 99). Its also clear that they want to drive a truck that rides like a car. Now I'd like to see them convinve the 100,000 + customers that test drove Fords, GM's and Dodges that ended up going with the Tundra instead that they made a bad decision, cmmon. Reliability rating is "EXPECTED" to be less than average...what the heck does that even mean, how do you expect anything?
Wrong again, I'd be willing to bet that most tundra owners are previous toyota owners. 100,000 big 3 test drivers switched to the toyota, LMAO.
Has anyone written to CR about this? Because with all do respect, without a FULL year of testing and surveying, they should have just labeled it with 'Insufficient Data' like they normally do with new models.
Also, I looked at my past emails, and my last CR survey came in April. So where did this data come from?
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Wrong again, I'd be willing to bet that most tundra owners are previous toyota owners. 100,000 big 3 test drivers switched to the toyota, LMAO.
Here are the stats from Toyota. Maybe you'll need to stop laughing so hard.
"Jim Lentz, executive vice president, Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A. Inc., rattles off some interesting statistics about Tundra transactions:
• About one-half of all Tundra buyers trade in something.
• Some 40 percent of those trade-ins are Toyota products.
• Another 40 percent of trade-ins are “conquests” from domestic manufacturers -– and half of those conquest trade-ins are full-size pickups..."
Someone please explain this to me. On the CR website if you click on the reliability of the 07 tundra, some things don't add up.
The reliability ratings for several things body hardware, power equipment, and audio system are different for the 2wd and the 4wd.
Someone please explain this to me. How can the two be different. I understand them saying the reliability for the drivetrain is diff in the 2wd and 4wd due to the transfer case but even rating the audio system in the 4wd to be less reliable than the audio system in the 2wd does not make any sense.
To see what I am talking about pull up the 07 tundra on CR and click on the "See the complete Reliability History" link. I think that CR has really gone off the deep end.
Double check your info before you put something down for everyone to see your error. It does not have a full time 4WD. What it has and I quote "When engaged, AUTO/4WD detects rear-wheel slippage and automatically shifts into 4WD as road conditions dictate." You might as well have it in 4WD to begin with. Sounds like alot of wear and tear switching in and out of 4WD. And no matter how fast it switches in and out, if you are in a skid, its way to late to "kick in the 4WD" and save you. Its just another added feature that can fail/need repair.
You are absolutely wrong abot the auto 4wd in the GM. It in fact spins the front shaft, and when it senses slippage, then engages into 4wd. It is intantaneous, and there are thousands of reports where people were in a skid and auto 4wd engaged and corrected the vehicle.
Re: CR Rates New Tundra V8 4x4 Reliability Well Below Average
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Here are the stats from Toyota. Maybe you'll need to stop laughing so hard.
"Jim Lentz, executive vice president, Toyota Motor Sales U.S.A. Inc., rattles off some interesting statistics about Tundra transactions:
• About one-half of all Tundra buyers trade in something.
• Some 40 percent of those trade-ins are Toyota products.
• Another 40 percent of trade-ins are “conquests” from domestic manufacturers -– and half of those conquest trade-ins are full-size pickups..."
Those are the words of a toyota executive in a meeting. It's pure grandstanding on his part. He also qouted 100,000 as swithed. How many tundras have sold to date. I bet the number is 100,000 give or take. So even at 40% that makes 40k, a far cry from 100,000. I don't buy the 40% stuff either. How many tundra owners switched to one of the big, when they realized the tundra could not handle the duties of a full sized truck, my hand is raised.
You can count me as one of those who traded in my domestic (Ford) and bought a new tundra.
Will I be trading this tundra in for a new domestic? No way.
I test drove a Dodge and the Chevy before buying the Tundra. I got what I need and what I want in one truck. The others would have been a compromise in some way.
You are absolutely wrong abot the auto 4wd in the GM. It in fact spins the front shaft, and when it senses slippage, then engages into 4wd. It is intantaneous, and there are thousands of reports where people were in a skid and auto 4wd engaged and corrected the vehicle.
WOW, will it drive me to work as well? NOTICE i said skid and not slippage! I can slide sideways without spinning the tires. How will it save me then?
And I wonder where you got your info about these "thousands of reports" of people saved? Consumer REPORTS or REPORTS from the big 3? Data can be made to prove anything if twisted enough. Just look a Al Gore. He got a Nobel Prize which proves that.
Enough said. I will not be goaded into any more responses of posts by people who somehow mistakenly purchased a Tundra when they were obviously looking for a Silverado.
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WOW, will it drive me to work as well? NOTICE i said skid and not slippage! I can slide sideways without spinning the tires. How will it save me then?
And I wonder where you got your info about these "thousands of reports" of people saved? Consumer REPORTS or REPORTS from the big 3? Data can be made to prove anything if twisted enough. Just look a Al Gore. He got a Nobel Prize which proves that.
Enough said. I will not be goaded into any more responses of posts by people who somehow mistakenly purchased a Tundra when they were obviously looking for a Silverado.
You said if you're in a skid it's too late. I said there are thousands of reports of people in skids. I didn't mix words. Why can't you just face it, that the toyota 4x4 system while good and dependable is outdated. So maybe CR was bashing them for being outdated, who knows, but there system is reliable. If you never had auto trac, you'll never know what you're mssing.
This was the exact reason I did not buy a 2007 Tundra, I personally still feel the Silverado is a better truck than the Tundra but, each to his own!
Does this mean I wont but toyota ofcourse not, just that they need to give us consumers better products than what they are making now. The 1990's were when Toyota was at the top of their game (quality) it has slipped considerably in the last few years in alot of their model lines. Excluding Lexus!
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