I've noticed one thing about CR's analysis. That is, they didn't bother to compare the 4.7L and 5.7L 2x4 and 4x4 configurations. I'm sure many have noticed by now. Also I have a strong feeling someone at CR is sure smoking something when they put a dark black circle in the 4x4 07 column, since you're basically adding on to the 2x4 configuration a front shaft drive. :P
Has anybody here received a survey from Consumer Reports since the Tundra came out in Febuary???
Jim
yes I recieved the survey. It was not just for the Tundra, it is for everything they review. You enter what vehicles that you own. There is no proof of ownership required. If you wanted you could enter that you owned any vehicle made and then you would be asked to review that vehicle.
I rated everything on my survey as excellent or that I had had zero problems. I have now had a couple of problems and actually been stranded on the side of the road in the middle of no where. That being said I would still rate the tundra as excellent. I have received a survey every year for the past 3-4 years but I don't get the magazine. I do subscribe to their website and I received all surveys by email and filled them out online.
So you already rated your Tundra...
Does that mean if you wanted to log on and rate a Nissan Titan, you could rate that too, and just give it crappy scores even though you don't own it? Then go rate a F150, and give it excellent scores. even though you don't own that either?
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Geez guys, there's no conspiracy here. CR has been a proponent of Toyota vehicles as long as I've been reading it. You get one bad review and start freaking out like a bunch of little kids...Get over it.
Here's something that may apply to what we are seeing on this thread...
Dr. Elisabeth Kubler-Ross has named five stages of grief people go through following a serious loss. Sometimes people get stuck in one of the first four stages. Their lives can be painful until they move to the fifth stage - acceptance.
Five Stages Of Grief
Denial and Isolation.
At first, we tend to deny the loss has taken place, and may withdraw from our usual social contacts. This stage may last a few moments, or longer.
Anger.
The grieving person may then be furious at the person who inflicted the hurt (even if she's dead), or at the world, for letting it happen. He may be angry with himself for letting the event take place, even if, realistically, nothing could have stopped it.
Bargaining.
Now the grieving person may make bargains with God, asking, "If I do this, will you take away the loss?"
Depression.
The person feels numb, although anger and sadness may remain underneath.
Acceptance.
This is when the anger, sadness and mourning have tapered off. The person simply accepts the reality of the loss.
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Buy your truck outside of the Gulf States Toyota monopoly if you don't want to compromise.
So you already rated your Tundra...
Does that mean if you wanted to log on and rate a Nissan Titan, you could rate that too, and just give it crappy scores even though you don't own it? Then go rate a F150, and give it excellent scores. even though you don't own that either?
Yes and no. I could not go log on and do it now since I have already submitted my survey. Once you complete the survey and click submit you are not allowed to go back in and change anything.
But yes, I could have listed that I owned not only my Tundra, but also a f150, gm 1500, and a dodge ram. Hell I could have entered that I owned four of each of them and then I would have been given the opportunity to review each and every vehicle.
It never crossed my mind to enter any vehicles that I do not own just to mess with their ratings. I entered in my Tundra and answered the questions honestly and gave the tundra an excellent rating. I really don't believe that the Tundra received the ratings it did for CR due to the domestics lying in the survey, who has time for that. CR obviously got back some pretty negative surveys from current Tundra owners. My question would be how many surveys did they get back since there were not that many on the road when the surveys went out.
I have called and written to CR in the past 24 hours asking for the total number of surveys received for each fullsize pickup. I have also asked how the audio system in a 4wd can be less reliable than the audio system in a 2wd as it is shown in their report. I am sure I will not receive any response but it made me feel a little better.
I really don't believe that the Tundra received the ratings it did for CR due to the domestics lying in the survey, who has time for that.
I would like to believe that it didn't happen and who really knows for sure. But, since the release of the New Tundra, there has been a lot of negative press, posts or whatever else they could infect.
Look at some of the original MSN cars "owner" feed back, web pages started by kids to "ban the tundra", the countless forums that berate Toyota.
I know, I know, there are some folks on here that bash the others (here), but not like the others are doing to the Tundra (on their own site as well as coming here).
They troll our forums, then go spread rumors like wildfire.
(proof of that statement can be verified by link backs)
One or 2 problems seem to turn into dozens, many by brand new members.
(again, none of us have to verify ownership, it's the honor system)
Most of us who have been here for a few months or years, do not have anything wrong with our trucks, so what gives?
We may never know for sure, it's all speculation for now.
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There was a quote this morning on a porsche forum that I frequent regarding CR review of tires. Some of you might find this useful.
"When I need a new toaster or info on a new vaccuum, I go to Consumer Reports. When I want info about car stuff, I look elsewhere."
With all due respect, we need to stop making unfounded criticisms of Consumer Reports. They've got a team of engineers and other car experts that test these vehicles at a 327 acre facility. And they're not just car people - they've got people with industrial experience too.
I would like to believe that it didn't happen and who really knows for sure. But, since the release of the New Tundra, there has been a lot of negative press, posts or whatever else they could infect.
Look at some of the original MSN cars "owner" feed back, web pages started by kids to "ban the tundra", the countless forums that berate Toyota.
I know, I know, there are some folks on here that bash the others (here), but not like the others are doing to the Tundra (on their own site as well as coming here).
They troll our forums, then go spread rumors like wildfire.
(proof of that statement can be verified by link backs)
One or 2 problems seem to turn into dozens, many by brand new members.
(again, none of us have to verify ownership, it's the honor system)
Most of us who have been here for a few months or years, do not have anything wrong with our trucks, so what gives?
We may never know for sure, it's all speculation for now.
As much as I hate to say it, the reviews are probably accurate. Scroll threw this forum now and look at a lot of the complaints out there. Most of them are minor but the fact that someone took the time to actually post that their air vent will not stay in the middle should tell you something.
Just like everything in life people are more motivated to do things when things are not going well. Look at the post on this forum. There are a lot more problems than people bragging on their trucks. People who have had problems with the tundras probably made dang sure to fill out their survey. To say that the big three is responsible is a little absurd in my opinion. Don't you think they would have done it before now, how many years in a row has CR given the Camry and Tundra high marks. Everyone take a breather, it is what it is. It is done and we will see how Toyota and the public react. I don't believe that it is the end of the Toyota Tundra, it just gives competitors something else to ding Toyota on.
To say that the big three is responsible is a little absurd in my opinion.
OK, I guess I did come off a little like this, but that is not what I was trying to get at.
I just think it was a contributing factor. Combine the small amount of people who go the survey with only the people who were dis-satisfied answering it, and the possible small amount of liars, and you get what we have...
From what I have read, and what others have posted they've witnessed, there is some serious hatred for the Tundra out there, that can not be denied..and when people hate something, there is no limit to what some will do to eradicate it.
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From what I have read, and what others have posted they've witnessed, there is some serious hatred for the Tundra out there, that can not be denied..and when people hate something, there is no limit to what some will do to eradicate it.
Ditto! Ive seen it first hand in person and online.
The report is flawed, plain and simple. Regardless of what they are reviewing, I would question those results of 2 products that are essentially the same. For example, how does "Body Hardware" score best in 2WD and worst in 4WD? That makes absolutely ZERO sense. That one category alone proves the report is flawed. IT'S THE SAME TRUCK!
Good point. Same thing with audio hardware. So the radios in the 4wds are poor and in 2wds they are good. Something just doesnt make sense here. Has anyone contacted CR to see if there was an error or for an explenation?
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Good point. Same thing with audio hardware. So the radios in the 4wds are poor and in 2wds they are good. Something just doesnt make sense here. Has anyone contacted CR to see if there was an error or for an explenation?
Yes by email and I left a voicemail for one of their customer relations representatives yesterday and I have gotten no response back from the email or the voicemail and really don't expect to.
So basically, Toyota corporate is using CR as proof that they offer the most reliable cars built. So how can we just throw away the bad Tundra rating, just because we don't like it?
I would think that if you are willing to contact CR and complain that they're data may be wrong, then you should also contact Toyota and ask them for a response to the poor rating on the Tundra. Now that would be an interesting to hear.
/Mike
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I think you may be exaggerating a tad, because if it was as bad as you say then I don't see why you kept them long enough to put any miles on them, let alone buy more than one. One of them was not my daily driver it was used for what I bought it for. The second was cuz I thought damn I could do all kinds of cool things like carry a cab-over camper and pull trailers with 4 wheelers or teh riverboat. But didn't do those things nearly as much as I thought I would and with Diesel being moe expensive than gas and all the repair cost associated the with Beast (the brown one) I just could ot justify owning it anymore. It rode liek chit and broke all too often.
My truck has 50K miles on it right now and it has been flawless with the exception of a bad lift pump which was covered under warranty. I use it as a truck should be used, but I'm not going to run the crap out of it as a hot shotter and and then complain that it has problems. Hook that car hauler up to that Tundra (or any truck) for a few thousand miles and see if the repair bills don't start adding up.
If you need a HD truck (2500-3500) then the Cummins is the way to go over GM and Ford IME and IMO but if you dont really need it all I can say is I hope you got a good one cuz lots of folks dont. But it is a great truck if used for what it was designed for, no question about that! My Tundra wasn't built to haul 56 ft 4-Car Haulers but it would be fun to watch the gooseneck squat her all the way to the blacktop!<grin>
I'll give credit where credit is due, and the new Tundra is an awesome truck and Toyota makes a great product- there's no doubt about any of that.
You guys just need to face the facts though and it just appears to be too much for some to admit that many people are totally happy with other brands and not evey Tundra is perfect. The big 3 outsell Toyota in the truck market because MORE people like their offerings better for whatever reason, not because there's more dealerships, LOL!
The Tundra is a good truck, it has its faults and shortfalls because Toyota had to make the SOB affordable or most of us wouldn't own one. The dash, doors, sheet metal, stereo.The only thing I really care about is dependability. If this truck starts leaking from seals and giving me problems wit the drivetrain and such...it'll be gone no questions asked. I am the kind of person that doesn't have the patience nor time to be phucking with dealership service appointments and repairs, partly why I love Toyota vehicles and have been so loyal to them. They keep me out of the service department!<grin>
Now everyone is pissed at CR. Just accept the fact that your truck is not perfect and quit putting the crosshairs on anyone that might suggest otherwise. Every manufacturer makes a great truck these days and millions of people love their trucks even if they are not a Yota. I used to be just like you guys concerning Toyota products, but I grew up and I realized that this is an arguement that can't be won and more importantly, nobody really even cares. Just buy what you like and let others do the same, there's no point in being a grown man and degrading another man's vehicle, unless you are insecure. JMO.
The CR report is BS and even you know this. You cant do reliability reports on a truck thats been out for 8 months and has been selling liek hotcakes just cuz a bunch of anal retentive previous non-truck driving owners whine and complain. Those sort of folks have always been around , dealt with tem for years in Service. I say give the damm thing some time and if your gonna blast a truck and it deserves it at least they should get their chit together and do an accurate report. This the 4wd is unreliable and the 2wd is the most reliable is about retarded and to think that someone there didn't catch this????
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