Consmer Reports Threads Merged - Page 5

blaster21996 · #61 (**permalink**) 10-16-2007, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by FlatironsDreamer

Disappointing news. Consumer Reports has just rated V8 4x4 Tundra reliability well below average and cannot recommend it. The new Tundra is ranked below the Nissan Titan and the Silverado. It also gives low ratings for ride quality and gas mileage.

Heck yea! That's great news! Now I won't see them at every red light! Oh, wait a minute...... nobody listens to CR anyhoo!!

impilot · #62 (**permalink**) 10-16-2007, 04:52 PM

Definately for real....and getting press very quickly.

Consumer Reports sees Toyota reliability slip - Automotive - MSNBC.com

FlatironsDreamer · #63 (**permalink**) 10-16-2007, 05:01 PM

Amazing how many people have faith that Toyota will "make right" any problem they encounter. Does anyone have any evidence to support this?

Billy Bob · #64 (**permalink**) 10-16-2007, 05:02 PM

I believe the rating dropped more from the 6 speed tranny than anything else basid on the many negative post here on that tranny.

I guess I made the right choice by going with the 4.7 L engine and a proven 5 speed tranny.

dwsscs · #65 (**permalink**) 10-16-2007, 05:14 PM

Regardless if this is true. Then it is a blow to Toyota, but I also take it with a grain of salt. I knew that I was taking a risk buying a first year vehicle. No major problems but I am still under 2000 miles, and I also have a 2 wheel drive. Consumer Reports blasted the Nissan Frontier I bought too, and didn't have a problem in 6 years.

I still say the Toyota outlasts the other competition. Mechanics always say its common to see them with 200K-300K miles on the odometer. I rarely see many US made vehicle go to far past the 200K mark without being a POS except the diesel work trucks and a few select others. Don't get me wrong there are some exceptions to that. Also the article linked earlier stated Toyota slipped behind Honda, Acura, Scion, and Subaru to fifth in overall reliability. Notice there wasn't Ford, GM, Chevy, or Dodge above Toyota in the overall reliability category.

impilot · #66 (**permalink**) 10-16-2007, 05:18 PM

BTW...this is CR's predicted reliability for 08 models....this is not about the 07's. At least per the MSN article. I still can't get over that the 4x2 is tops, and the 4x4 is listed as the worst.

Songdog · #67 (**permalink**) 10-16-2007, 05:24 PM

With its hybirds and efficient 4's, Toyota has been the darling of the left/environmental movement for a long time. Given that CR has always shared this political leaning, I think this might be revenge against Toyota for betraying them and building a big gas guzzler.

55reasons · #68 (**permalink**) 10-16-2007, 05:28 PM

Wait.

Isn't CR the same org that rated the Titan "Truck of the Year" like a month before the Nissan dealers backed up with recalls and brake problems?

Nevermind that was MotorTrend... Same difference.

What difference does it make? Resale values will not suffer because of an unsupported CR opinion.

slackjaw07 · #69 (**permalink**) 10-16-2007, 05:34 PM

I just looked at the banner on the TS Tundra forum home page and what do I see? An advertisement for and link to consumerreports.org! Now that's cold!

Billy Bob · #70 (**permalink**) 10-16-2007, 05:37 PM

One other thing. Here is the customer satisfaction survey on the '07 Tundra. It the TOP runner.

Survey Results
Car Type: Full-sized pickup trucksModel Would you buy that car again?
Indicates percentage of users surveyed that would definitely purchase the same vehicle again

Toyota Tundra V8 81
Chevrolet Silverado 2500 Turbdsl 4WD 78
GMC Sierra 2500 Turbdsl 4WD 78
Toyota Tundra V6 75
Chevrolet Avalanche 1500 72
Dodge Ram 2500 Turbodiesel 72
Ford F-250 Turbodiesel 70
Lincoln Mark LT* 68
Ford F-150 V8 65
Cadillac Escalade EXT 65
Chevrolet Silverado 1500 V8 4WD 65
GMC Sierra 1500 V8 4WD 65
Nissan Titan 62
Chevrolet Silverado 1500 V8 2WD 60
GMC Sierra 1500 V8 2WD 60
Chevrolet Silverado 2500 gas 4WD 60
GMC Sierra 2500 gas 4WD 60
Ford F-150 V6 2WD 59
Dodge Ram 1500 V8 58
Ford F-250 gas 55
Chevrolet Silverado 1500 V6 4WD 52
GMC Sierra 1500 V6 4WD 52
Chevrolet Silverado 1500 V6 2WD 51
GMC Sierra 1500 V6 2WD 51
MEDIAN 63

* Scores are based on only one or two years worth of data because of limited data, model unavailability, or a major redesign

GleneagleTundra · #71 (**permalink**) 10-16-2007, 05:45 PM

I don't know where they are getting their data from but on the
Consumer Reports website in which I subscribe, the Tundra is rated #2 full size pickup behind the Chev Avalance. Only two models are quick picks as recommended and those are the Toyota Tundra and the Dodge 1500. Predicted reliability is rated as very good.

THUNDERA · #72 (**permalink**) 10-16-2007, 05:52 PM

This is all fine with me. Maybe less people will buy them and there will be less on the road leaving us to be more unique!! I'm seeing these trucks EVERYWHERE now.

So seriously, don't buy a Tundra. I wouldn't recommend it

cirrus65 · #73 (**permalink**) 10-16-2007, 05:59 PM

I think everybody that ripped into the guy that 'leaked' this info awhile back needs to chime in and admit they don't know everything and a BIG "I'm sorry"...

Mick44 · #74 (**permalink**) 10-16-2007, 07:21 PM

From what I read (and I did not read this whole thread) they dislike the fact that it was part time 4WD. Seeing that I do not own one (but did own a Titan 4x4 SE/CC) I would suspect that their griping is suspect. I have much respect for Toyota and have not seen any 4X4 problems to speak of even on this forum.

gobblerman · #75 (**permalink**) 10-16-2007, 07:31 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong but arent most 4x4 trucks part time. Isn't AWD more of a volvo european thing. Also how can you ding a truck for no stability control when in 4WD when most trucks don't have stability control at all. As for fuel economy I'm getting 16.5 with a DC 4x4 5.7 city/highway. Seems pretty good to me.