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Old 10-16-2007, 11:24 PM
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But how did CR come to the conclusion that a vehicle that got nothing lower than average scores should be classified as poor reliability bet?

There simply is not enough data to conclude if it is a reliable vehilce or not. Only time will tell that.

But instead of saying they don't know or there is not enough data, the just say it is not a good bet.
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Here are CR's explanation of reliability ratings:


Reliability histories
Detailed Ratings for 1998 to 2007 models

How are cars holding up? The reliability history charts, included in each model's profile, give you the most comprehensive reliability information available to consumers. (To find our Ratings & reliability information go to our main Autos page and select a vehicle by make and model). These charts are based on nearly 1.3 million responses to our 2007 Annual Auto Survey conducted by the Consumer Reports National Research Center. Consumer Reports subscribers reported on any serious problems they had with their vehicles during the past 12 months that they considered serious because of cost, failure, safety, or downtime, in any of the trouble spots included in the table below.

The scores in the charts are based on the percentage of respondents who reported problems in each of the 17 trouble spots. Because high-mileage cars tend to encounter more problems than low-mileage cars, problem rates are standardized to minimize differences due to mileage. The 2007 models were generally less than six months old at the time of the survey, with an average of about 3,000 miles.


HOW TO READ THE CHARTS

To check on the reliability history of a particular year's model, start with the Used Car Verdict. This score shows whether the model had more or fewer problems overall than the average model of that year, calculated from the total number of problems reported by subscribers in all trouble spots. Because problems with the engine major, cooling system, transmission, and drive system can be serious and expensive to repair, our calculations give extra weight to problems in those areas.

To see how the model that's currently on sale is likely to hold up, look at the New Car Prediction at the bottom of each chart. For this rating, we averaged a model's Used Car Verdict for the newest three years, provided the vehicle did not change significantly in that time and hasn't been redesigned for 2007. We have found that several model years' data are a better predictor than the single most recent model year. One or two years' data may be used if the model was redesigned in 2006 or 2005, or if there were insufficient data for more years. Sometimes we include a prediction for a model that is new or has been redesigned, provided its reliability history or the manufacturer's track record has been consistently above average.

To see a model's individual strengths and weaknesses, look at the individual scores for each of the 17 Trouble Spots. The "Average Problem Rates" chart below shows the average problem rates for all models in the survey in each trouble spot. Scores are based on the percentage of survey respondents who reported problems for that trouble spot, compared with the average model of that year.

Models that score a black dot are not necessarily unreliable, but have a higher rate of problems than the average model. Similarly, models that score red dots are not necessarily problem-free, but had relatively few problems compared with other models.

Because problem rates in some trouble spots are very low, we do not assign a black dot or a half black dot unless the model's problem rate exceeds 3 percent. If a problem rate is below 2 or 1 percent it will be assigned a red dot or half red dot respectively. In the charts, a model year in red identifies the year of a major redesign.


What the trouble spots include

Engine, major: Engine rebuild or replacement, cylinder head, head gasket, turbo or supercharger, timing chain.

Engine, minor: Oil leaks, timing belt, accessory belts, engine mounts, engine knock or ping.

Engine, cooling: Radiator, cooling fan, antifreeze leaks, water pump, thermostat, overheating.

Transmission, major: Transmission rebuild or replacement, torque converter, premature clutch replacement.

Transmission, minor: Gear selector or linkage, coolers and lines, rough shifting, slipping transmission, leaks, transmission computer, transmission sensor or solenoid, clutch adjustment, hydraulics (clutch master or slave cylinder).

Drive system: Driveshaft or axle, CV joint, wheel bearing(s), differential, transfer case, 4WD/AWD components, driveline vibration, traction control, stability control, electrical failure.

Fuel system: Check engine light, sensors (includes O2 or oxygen sensor), emission control devices (includes EGR), engine computer, fuel cap, fuel gauge/sender, fuel injection system, fuel pump, fuel tank, fuel leaks, stalling or hesitation.

Electrical: Alternator, starter, battery, battery cables, engine harness, coil, ignition switch, electronic ignition, distributor or rotor failure, spark plugs and wires failure, sensors or module.

Climate system: Blower (fan) motor, A/C compressor, condenser, evaporator, heater system, automatic climate control, defrost, refrigerant leakage, electrical failure.

Suspension: Shocks or struts, ball joints, tie rods, wheel bearings, alignment, steering linkage (includes rack and pinion) power steering, wheel balance, springs or torsion bars, bushings, electronic or air suspension.

Brakes: Premature wear, pulsation or vibration, squeaking, master cylinder, calipers, antilock system (ABS), parking brake, brake failure.

Exhaust: Muffler, pipes, catalytic converter, exhaust manifold, leaks.

Paint/trim: Paint (fading, chalking, cracking, or peeling), loose exterior trim or moldings, rust.

Body integrity: Squeaks or rattles, seals and/or weather-stripping, air or water leaks, loose interior trim and moldings, wind noise.

Body hardware: Windows, locks and latches, tailgate, hatch or trunk, sliding doors, mirrors, seat mechanism(s), seat belts, sunroof, convertible top, glass defects.

Power equipment and accessories: Cruise control, heated or cooled seats, body control module, keyless entry, wiper motor or washer, tire pressure monitor, interior or exterior lights, horn, gauges, 12V power plug, alarm or security system, backup camera/sensors.

Audio system: Navigation systems, radio speakers, CD or DVD player and changer, cassette player, antenna, satellite radio, video screen, communication system.

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Wow - amazing how Tundra zealots are throwing everything they can at Consumer Reports, with little understanding of how the magazine works. No matter how you spin it, this is *BAD* news. The ratings are based on surveys tabulated by a non-profit! They have no agenda! They have been recommending Tundras for years so this is not good.

I happen to think they're spot on with many of their comments -- i.e. the jittery ride, poor gas mileage, rough TRD package, strong acceleration, no full-time 4WD, impressive tailgate...

Please stop the whining - it makes us look like children.


Right. Anyway, as soon as I found out that the '08 Tundras needed to have the skid plate removed in order to get at the oil filter for routine oil changing, that one thing alone told me that this vehicle was not well planned or executed and not up to previous Toyota standards. So I'm not surprised, except for the 2WD getting such a high rating. I'll have to agree with people here that that is rather puzzling.

Consumer reports is the most objective information source we have available - certainly much more reliable than the car dealers and Toyota zealots on this forum.
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Old 10-17-2007, 01:50 AM
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Personally, I think CR is just trying to emulate its reliability RIGHT NOW. Look at what the drivetrain/steering issues dodge had and what it did to thier rating a few years ago. It did mar them for a while, but it was my second choice after my smurf mobile Blue Tundra. The Tundra rating may not jump back up to "recommeded" quickly, it all depends on how quick Toyota reacts. Toyota has to earn that after having 2 significant issues in its first year for the Tundra. When it does get there, the resale will climb again. CR's fall 07 guide RECOMMENDED the Tundra after testing one (bought mag special report 3 weeks ago at B&N and the mag version is to be off shelves in January) and gave the reliability an average rating. It does have issues right now and they arent cosmetic. I think that this is forcing CR to rate the reliability low. Its not that reliable yet, but then hey, its a NEW design from the ground up for a truck (unlike the Tundra Car of the last 7 yrs). I'd say its just inexperience in this market and maybe not controlling the quality of some new vendors well.

The Tundra has been a good thing overall for the market. Look at how the big 3 have jumped to bash it/improve. They are nervous and nervousness promotes improvement overall, by all. The old Tundra was a market test vehicle and are now in this to win with no alternatives but to win.
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Old 10-17-2007, 01:54 AM
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Right. Anyway, as soon as I found out that the '08 Tundras needed to have the skid plate removed in order to get at the oil filter for routine oil changing, that one thing alone told me that this vehicle was not well planned or executed and not up to previous Toyota standards. So I'm not surprised, except for the 2WD getting such a high rating. I'll have to agree with people here that that is rather puzzling.

Consumer reports is the most objective information source we have available - certainly much more reliable than the car dealers and Toyota zealots on this forum.

Dude....both of my Tacomas with the 3.4L V-6 you had to remove the skid plate in order to change the oil . This is not new, and the 3.4L V-6 was/is a great long life engine. So to say that the 5.7 is not up to the previous Toyota standards because of the skid plate removal on oil changes is not a well informed statement. Not that I dont like where the oil filter is on my wifes Runner with the 4.0L (grin) but pulling the skid plate to change the oil is not something new to Toyotas.
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Dude....both of my Tacomas with the 3.4L V-6 you had to remove the skid plate in order to change the oil...


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Really? Was the skid plate removal on that one as much of a hassle as it seems to be on the new Tundra? I never had a vehicle like that. All my vehicles the oil filter is easily accessible. I never had to remove any body parts to get at it. But then fuel filters used to be right out in the open and a five minute job, too.
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To check on the reliability history of a particular year's model, start with the Used Car Verdict. This score shows whether the model had more or fewer problems overall than the average model of that year, calculated from the total number of problems reported by subscribers in all trouble spots. Because problems with the engine major, cooling system, transmission, and drive system can be serious and expensive to repair, our calculations give extra weight to problems in those areas.
So all the info is based on what a few paying subscribers have said about their truck???
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That would be from paying subscribers who had problems. It would be nice to know just how many people actually took these questionaires.

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Really? Was the skid plate removal on that one as much of a hassle as it seems to be on the new Tundra? I never had a vehicle like that.
If you never had a vehicle like that then how would you know how hard it is?
7 bolts.... what... took me all of 5 minutes, not counting a short break to admire the underside of my truck.

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Really? Was the skid plate removal on that one as much of a hassle as it seems to be on the new Tundra? I never had a vehicle like that. .
Yup and after 160,000 miles on each one doing every oil change myself, it was never a big deal. I will say that I didn't keep all the bolts in that held the skid plate in place just cuz there was so GD many of em and I didn't feel it needed so many bolts.
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"So all the info is based on what a few paying subscribers have said about their truck???"

A few? Try well over a million!

"Consumer Reports Car Reliability FAQ":

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How in the hell can over 1 million people rate a truck when there have only been 200,000 made? Are they letting the guy that came by the Toyota Dealership for a free hot dog during a special sales event and test drove one for 10 miles rate the reliability?
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Yup and after 160,000 miles ...
How come it never occurs to these automotive engineering geniuses to put stuff like oil filters and fuel filters and spark plugs in places where they're easy to get at - not to mention fuel pumps hidden inside fuel tanks so a $20 replacement job becomes a $1,000 job at the dealer? Or are they doing this on purpose for laughs?
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"How in the hell can over 1 million people rate..."


All 1.3 million respondents to the survey aren't rating your '07 Tundra, partner.
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Thats a good question. I dont know how familiar you are with Toyota motors but on the 4.0L V-6 in the new Tacomas and 4Runners the oil filter is on top the motor on the drivers side. You want to talk about easy, the oil drain plug can be accessed via a trap door in the skid plate. I can literally change my oil in my 4Runner in like 10 minutes without ever getting a drop of oil on anything. Genius I say....genius! But I dont determine whether or not to buy a vehicle by how easy it is to change oil in it, it is a perk though when you get one that makes it easy.
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