No interest. I like the factory shorties. Saving my money for the TRD Supercharger.
The supercharger can really benefit from some decent headers. If you take a closer look at how those factory shorties are made, you'd change your opinion - they are far worse than some marginal cast iron designs I've seen on domestic V8s. An aftermarket shorty design will be better, but NOTHING beats a good longtube header in terms of overall low to high rpm power/torque adding potential. 35-40 hp/tq increase should be no problem compared to the stock manifolds.
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Not sure if you represent the company or not and maybe it is just me but your attitude toward people asking questions/making comments sucks; if you represent the company than I am not interested based on you.
I don't represent the company, I have no affilliation with the company at all. I just know the owners and designer.
If I come across crass or harsh, that is not what is intended, but if someone jumps in to hammer me or the thread without understanding or posting one line this is snake oil b/s, what do you expect me to do? I thought I was pretty polite in my answers.
I guess I will just ignore the nay-sayers and answer only those with real questions. Thanks for your post and thoughts!!!
are they willing to make me the first set. even custom if they dont decide to do it? is it obx?
If they don't build a large quantity they won't build them at all. The cost of a one-off would be ridiculously expensive. If it is for an engine like a chevy 350 or something where they have the flanges already cut and the only reason it has to be a one off is because of the custom made vehicle it is in then it's not too bad but is usually runs $150 - $200 per cylinder.
This is why they will only do it if they will be making so many.
I'd sure love to have a set, if they will improve MPG! How soon are we talking availability?
Availablity depends on the amount of interest gained and what I see from people that want them. Then they have to get it into the design process which can take some time. Once I have a timeframe I will absolutely post up here and will create a new thread for it. This one is just to see if people want them or not.
i hate to be rude...but after reading some of these posts, i have realized a few things.
first of all, why would you come to a forum to ask if people are interested? and i hope you are visiting more than just one forum. there are WAY more tundra drivers on this earth than what you see in this forum. the tundra is a FAST truck and almost everyone with a 5.7 is looking to mod it in any way possible, so theres basically not much of a need to ask that kind of question. maybe if you told the company name, MORE people would be interested (if it is a reputable company). this unknown company will not have any dyno results, so how can you tell if there is REALLY any gains? seat of the pants test is not accurate at all, and most people will THINK their vehicle is faster simply because they put something on it or because it sounds faster. as far as the CARB and cats and all that bs, when 'they' sell the headers, just say they are for off road use only and sell them without cats, that way the people who DON'T want cats dont waste their money, and the people that DO want them can just buy some high flows. this would make the product much cheaper and allow the company to sell many more sets. why not offer two sets, one with cats, and one for off-road thats catless? the way you are informing us, NOBODY will be interested. i am only 18 years old, and i haven't even taken any business courses, but i feel as if i could sell a product much better than you and this random company you are talking about. marketing, customer service, and PROVEN RESULTS are what makes a product sell, and this company has neither of the three.
until i see some company names, dyno sheets, pics, or phone numbers, im calling BS on this one. what you are saying just isnt adding up.
Understandible, no bashing here at all and I know your concerns.
The company hasn't said yes they are going to do anything yet, this is why I haven't given anything yet.
As soon as they say yes or that they think it will work, I will provide ALL the information you are talking about. Other than dyno sheets, but I addressed that stuff previously.
They will design a fully bolt on kit. If this actually happens and you want just the headers, they may sell just the headers without the cats to anyone for off-road only use. They make several headers for migit(sp?) and half-track cars, they do a lot of race design stuff to which is not street legal so the likelyhood would be that they will sell a set without cats and whatever else you want, but the group buy would be set up for a full bolt on set with everything needed to keep your truck street legal. I know this is a change from my previous post but I'm not a salesman or anything for this company so I have to ask questions just like you do.
I haven't posted up on other sites, I am not a pitch-man or a sales person for the company, I am not really excited about doing a group buy for them either, it is actually kind of a pain in the butt, but I know the product and believe it is worth it and am willing to pass this on to this forum, but I really don't have the time or desire to do it through all the other forums on the web.
Hopefully I have answered your questions and I can tell you that this is not B/S. I know, I'm saying "Trust me!, It's cool!" This is hard to swallow looking at a computer screen, but I have been here for a little while now and I won't be going anywhere and I have done a couple group buys before so It's not my first rodeo and I want this to go off-without a hitch.
I'm interested - count me in. Although I'm currently working on my own set of longtubes, I'd sure like to cut out all the r&d here since I'm not likely going to duplicate my results after everything is said and done.
Is this company you are talking about by chance S+S headers?
For you folks spouting on about CARB, you should know these facts:
(1) In California it is ILLEGAL to relocate any emissions equipment. Long tubes will never be legal in California based on this statute because they always move the catalytic converters. Shorties are legal because they in general do not move any emissions equipment. Why? Because cats are supposed to be a certain distance from the heads to ensure they are properly heated, as they don't work until they reach a certain temperature.
(2) In the first 50,000 miles the catalytic converters cannot be replaced by aftermarket parts in California. They are required to be serviced by the manufacturer. Further, aftermarket catalytic converters are required to be certified as meeting OEM requirements for minimum 5 years/50,000mi after installation.
This is California. Pretty soon they'll be requiring vehicles sold here to have their hoods welded shut so that people can't mess with them. You can't even legally change the air filter unless you use one that's certified. It's pretty silly. Even when aftermarket parts are shown to INCREASE the combustion efficiency of an engine, they aren't legal until they've paid their dues to CARB, which can be thousands of dollars for the initial certification (I think it's $15K).
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For you folks spouting on about CARB, you should know these facts:
(1) In California it is ILLEGAL to relocate any emissions equipment. Long tubes will never be legal in California based on this statute because they always move the catalytic converters. Shorties are legal because they in general do not move any emissions equipment. Why? Because cats are supposed to be a certain distance from the heads to ensure they are properly heated, as they don't work until they reach a certain temperature.
(2) In the first 50,000 miles the catalytic converters cannot be replaced by aftermarket parts in California. They are required to be serviced by the manufacturer. Further, aftermarket catalytic converters are required to be certified as meeting OEM requirements for minimum 5 years/50,000mi after installation.
This is California. Pretty soon they'll be requiring vehicles sold here to have their hoods welded shut so that people can't mess with them. You can't even legally change the air filter unless you use one that's certified. It's pretty silly. Even when aftermarket parts are shown to INCREASE the combustion efficiency of an engine, they aren't legal until they've paid their dues to CARB, which can be thousands of dollars for the initial certification (I think it's $15K).
Thanks for the info!!! I remember it being nice and cheap like that the first time I did research.
The supercharger can really benefit from some decent headers. If you take a closer look at how those factory shorties are made, you'd change your opinion - they are far worse than some marginal cast iron designs I've seen on domestic V8s. An aftermarket shorty design will be better, but NOTHING beats a good longtube header in terms of overall low to high rpm power/torque adding potential. 35-40 hp/tq increase should be no problem compared to the stock manifolds.
Agree with the performance advantages of the LT headers over shorties. However, there have been numerous prior discussions on the emissions legality of LT headers. I want the power and I want to remain legal. As an aside, keeping that 7/100,000 warranty that i paid an additional $1,600 for in check is also an important consideration.
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Agree with the performance advantages of the LT headers over shorties. However, there have been numerous prior discussions on the emissions legality of LT headers. I want the power and I want to remain legal. As an aside, keeping that 7/100,000 warranty that i paid an additional $1,600 for in check is also an important consideration.
I know that California has to be CARB certified, but I also know there are other states that have adopted the same or similar laws regarding emissions equipment. Is VA one of those states?
If it is not then you don't have to worry about being legal with LT headers, these will still come with Cats so they are legal, they just won't be CARB certified.
As for warranty, there are so many variables and ofcourse the warranty wouldn't be for the headers, but Toyota would still have to prove that the headers were the cause for failure, wherever that may be. Then each dealership has some knowledgebleand unknowledgeble people and that can of course make a difference.
Generally if you have a good relationship with the service writer you are in good shape for your warranty. If not then you may have to go to different dealerships to find someone that knows what they are talking about and I know absolutely nothing about VA.
I will be talking with the company this week and will post up whether or not this is enough interest. If they say yes, I will post the information about the company and their website and other things that will be worth while to know.
So I take it the manufacturer is around the Pheonix,AZ area?
As for the emissions, its simple, any LT headers will be ABSOLUTELY ILLEGAL if they do a visual test. As for the sniffer or perhaps OBD plug in test you should pass.
Cali is off limits on a LT header setup. CARB will NEVER approve it. Have you ever really seen any CARB Legal LT setups? I havent.
Either way good luck, to acheive 40-50 crank means you will be around 22-24 rwhp, not good enough in my book for all that expense for all that money.
The key to huge gains on this, is the design and setup for good flow and no backpressure. Thats usually hard because so many throw other aftermarket mods in the mix.
To each their own, the setup I am making I am willing to bet the highest gains hands down. More then your numbers for rwhp. Ill show you when they done.
Good luck.
I agree with the low #s, but I have a feeling based on previous experience we are going to see much more than the guess. Especially with the design of this engine and the choked out exhaust it has now. They don't want to be too optimistic and say they are going to provide the moon and deliver a wheel of cheese.
They are in/around the Phoenix area and have been for a while. I am guessing you are having a company build yours and brand your name? Or are they going to brand their own name? Just curious.
YA !!!!!!!!!! The best thing for the Tundra owner is competition for our dollar. May the best man win !!!!!!!! Variety is the spice of life . I don't live in California, so the CARB stuff doesn't worry me.
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Re: Long Tube header interest
. I don't live in California, so the CARB stuff doesn't worry me.
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