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TundraGeneral discussion forum for the 2007 and later Toyota Tundra.
This is a discussion thread titled "Automotive Paint Professionals Only Please...", within the Tundra forum, part of the Truck Forums category.
Over the past several months I have read numerous threads denouncing the Tundra's paint job. Accusation's from no base coat, no clear coat, only one coat, chips to easily, scratches to easily and paint is "soft" have been levied against Toyota.
Do these accusations have merit?
Relative to industry standards what is the quality of the Tundra's paint?
I'm not sure, so in an effort to understand this better, I'm soliciting the input of automotive paint professionals regarding the 07+ Tundra's paint. I would like the objective opinion of experienced paint and body shop professionals, engineers, chemists etc.
I choose this forum given its size hoping there where fellow members/Tundra owners that work in the industry and would be willing to share their knowledge regarding this matter.
I am a bodyshop estimator, and I can tell you they are definetly up to
par with all other manufacturers. Every car since 1982 has a 2 stage paint process which means they all have clear coat!!!!!!! I remember in the early ninetys the dodges and gm products would always have factory peeling problems on the roofs and hoods! But I never saw this on the Japanese or German vehicles! This was due to strict epa laws for the domestics!
You have to understand any make and model is going to have paint chip issues when you are driving 65 down the highway and pebbles come flying at u at that speed!!! In my opinion some of the blotchiest paint ive seen has been GM golds, and charcoals straight from the factory!
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Every car since 1982 has a 2 stage paint process which means they all have clear coat!!!!!!!
I recently had the hood and front fenders of my '08 Tundra (040 Super White) repainted and it does not have a clear coat. It is a single stage, water based paint..as are several other Tundra colors for the '07 - '08 models. I watched them paint it and I read the instructions that accompanied the paint (which came straight from Toyota).
Well we use water base paint here in California due to laws, and we clear coat all of our cars to seal the water base paint! If that was the case then not only would the color be wrong the paint would come off when u wash the truck!
__________________ 06 silver sky access cab 4.7vvti
donahoe coilovers @ 2.5'', american racing
baja 16'' wheels, 285/75/16 LT revo's , magnaflow
18 in muffler w/resonator removed. Debadged,
1.5'' wheel spacers, total chaos steering rack bushing kit, Wheeler's stabilizer bar bushing kit.
If that was the case then not only would the color be wrong the paint would come off when u wash the truck!
According to the literature, the high heat used to cure the paint makes this a non-issue. I'm just telling you what I saw and read when I had my Tundra repainted. There is/was no clear coat on the paint. The same is true of my wife's '07 Tundra...also Super White. My paint gauge also seems to confirm this.
I am a bodyshop estimator, and I can tell you they are definetly up to
par with all other manufacturers. Every car since 1982 has a 2 stage paint process which means they all have clear coat!!!!!!! I remember in the early ninetys the dodges and gm products would always have factory peeling problems on the roofs and hoods! But I never saw this on the Japanese or German vehicles! This was due to strict epa laws for the domestics!
You have to understand any make and model is going to have paint chip issues when you are driving 65 down the highway and pebbles come flying at u at that speed!!! In my opinion some of the blotchiest paint ive seen has been GM golds, and charcoals straight from the factory!
I'm not a professional painter, but I can assure you that Toyota / Lexus was using some single stage paints in the mid to late 90's - black was one of them. A friend of mine had bought his son a used 1998 Lexus ES300 that was black with a grayish silverish lower rocker panel. The previous owner had neglected the paint, and he had some of it reshot (black areas only) on the hood, trunk, and top. It was single stage. The interior looked like a nightmare, except that it was black. It went from being one nasty interior to a total make-over once I spent about 10-12 hours on the inside getting it up-to-par. The look on his son's face when he got the car (at 16th B-day party) was priceless.
Given the technical service bulletin MXSJW supplied and TexBiker's claim that 040 does not have a clear coat, I have a question.
Is a clear coat synonymous with 'Scratch Resistant Paint'(next to last column) in the service bulletin? If so, then this supports TexBiker's claim that the Super-White (040) trucks do not have a clear coat.
I recently had the hood and front fenders of my '08 Tundra (040 Super White) repainted and it does not have a clear coat. It is a single stage, water based paint..as are several other Tundra colors for the '07 - '08 models. I watched them paint it and I read the instructions that accompanied the paint (which came straight from Toyota).
I feel the paint on my Toyota Tundra is far better to the paint on the Scion tC I traded for it. Not that it helps you at all, but rock chips on my tC would go straight through to the metal, and ofter spider out from the point of impact in the clear coat.
guys, of course they have clear coat. if they didnt it would be dull paint for one thing. it amazes me for people to think modern cars, or any cars from the last two decades have come factory with single stage paints. i did let my neighbor who is a body shop guy/painter look at this thread and he said the same thing. heat is used to bake finishes sommetimes in paint booths but there is clear there unless u are drivng a flat white or other color truck. clear is where the shine and gloss comes from on modern finishes.
I'm not a painter but I worked in an industrial paint/screenprinting shop. Most use the base/clear method because the clearcoat can hide a multitude of sins. It also gives the paint depth without having to do much work. So, better results with less work....what would you do.
guys, of course they have clear coat. if they didnt it would be dull paint for one thing. it amazes me for people to think modern cars, or any cars from the last two decades have come factory with single stage paints. i did let my neighbor who is a body shop guy/painter look at this thread and he said the same thing. heat is used to bake finishes sommetimes in paint booths but there is clear there unless u are drivng a flat white or other color truck. clear is where the shine and gloss comes from on modern finishes.
Ok...I just called my bodyshop and spoke with the fellow who painted my truck. He confirmed that the Toyota/Lexus 040 Super White does not have a clearcoat. He also said there are several other manufacturers who use single stage products for their white, non-metallic paints, including GM and Honda/Acura. Lack of a clearcoat does not necessarily mean the color will be flat.
I remember in the early ninetys the dodges and gm products would always have factory peeling problems on the roofs and hoods! But I never saw this on the Japanese or German vehicles! This was due to strict epa laws for the domestics!
The worse paint job on any car I've ever owned was a 1993 Honda Accord. Clear coat on much of the top panels (roof, trunk) turned white and came off. It's not just the "domestics". Heck, look at 20+ yr-old Toyota, Honda, GM, Ford, Dodge, etc. cars. There's no consistent pattern. My old '82 GMC beater truck still has nice shiny paint from the factory! (i'm not a paint pro, but I've done my share of painting and having things painted). ALL manufacturers' have experienced paint engineers who know how to design, apply and control good paint jobs, but new methods have learning curves and new plants/workers will too. If GM introduces a new method, perfects it, and then Honda copies the "perfected" version... well, you can't blame GM for a bad year or two. Same the other way around... can't really say Honda was out of line during the one or two years they spent perfecting a new method.
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