Don't count on better mileage from the diesel. They're more powerful and cleaner, but they use at least as much fuel as the gas match in the truck. The new GM 6.0 and 6 speed get better mileage than my '08 duramax. Towing 10k# might be a different story, but as it has been said, If you don't see a 9k# trailer once a week, buy a gas engine 3/4 ton. You may not be able to drive a toyota, but you can still tell your friends about how big your truck is.
A powerful diesel in a truck that can handle a 12-15k# trailer every day is a working man's truck. If the truck can't take 3000# payload but the engine can move a small town, it's not much good.
I bought the 3/4 ton and wish I had the 1-ton. Just me I guess, but I've got a 10k# trailer at least twice a week.
Just give me a Tundra with a 2000-2500# payload and I'm happy. Unless the premium that diesel costs over gas comes down, it probably isn't going to make economic sense unless you tow A LOT. Given gas prices, it might be smarter to offer a small truck that can handle a lot of weight- like the old T100 that had a 2000# payload. Why not introduce a Tacoma with a 2000# payload for people who would like to be able to haul (even slowly) but don't have the need on a daily basis. A lot of folks use their truck to commute, but need capacity on the weekends. I bet they are more common than those that really need a big payload/towing diesel.
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The heavier duty diesels that come in the dodge/chevy/ford 3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks command about a $6K premium over the base gas engines. However these are much stronger engines than what we're talking about toyota putting in the tundra. If toyota is going to be able to make a light duty diesel work in a 1/2 ton they're going to have to keep the cost differential between the diesel and gas engines to no more than $1000-1500. If diesel fuel stays $1 a gallon more than gas I don't think they'll sell any even if they are priced like the gas engines. If diesel fuel comes back down to parity with gas then I think they'd sell quite a few even at a $1500 premium. Any more than that then forget it.
The heavier duty diesels that come in the dodge/chevy/ford 3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks command about a $6K premium over the base gas engines. However these are much stronger engines than what we're talking about Toyota putting in the tundra. If Toyota is going to be able to make a light duty diesel work in a 1/2 ton they're going to have to keep the cost differential between the diesel and gas engines to no more than $1000-1500. If diesel fuel stays $1 a gallon more than gas I don't think they'll sell any even if they are priced like the gas engines. If diesel fuel comes back down to parity with gas then I think they'd sell quite a few even at a $1500 premium. Any more than that then forget it.
Great point. I've advocated a diesel Tundra forever but now, with diesel costs out of control and such a small MPG bump, hard to justify. What would also be hard to justify is Toyota charging a 5-6K premium. The big three are having to buy their diesel engines from an outside vendor whereas Toyota is going with an in house motor. Basically, Toyota wants to charge 5-6K for a diesel that is just being marketed to help them meet future CAFE mileage numbers. Thanks for nothing Toyota.
LOL! At $5 per gallon soon to hit $6 not to mention there will be a $5k premium for the optional diesel forget it, that's why I sold my Cummins Ram. My brother in law just filled up his Ram and spent $150.
LOL! At $5 per gallon soon to hit $6 not to mention there will be a $5k premium for the optional diesel forget it, that's why I sold my Cummins Ram. My brother in law just filled up his Ram and spent $150.
I would buy the diesel Tundra in a heartbeat. It will be rated for a 4x4 18city and 26hwy. The average will be about 22mpg. Right now the same truck is 13 city and 17 hwy and the average is 16mpg. This will be a 6 mpg increase plus a better range of engine if you have ever owend a diesel. The difference in price is going to be about $3000 not $5000. I drive 32000 miles a year and at 16 mpg average that is 2000 gallons of gas. Now at an average of $.80 per gallon more for diesel and your gallons needed at 22 mpg is 1454 gallons. So lets say gas is $4.00 a gallon that would be $8000.00 a year. Diesel would then be $4.80 and that would be $6979. That is $1021.00 a year in savings. It would pay for itself in 3 years plus the value of the truck will still be at least $2000.00 higher at that time. I know everyone doesn't drive as much as I have to but you can see there will be many sold. Plus knowing I am using less oil than I'm in. I am not one that believes a lot in green america because it is out of hand but when there is an engine that we can buy that saves fuel to help with suppy that is criticle. I have to have a truck to tow on weekends so I will do my best to get the truck that can do the best job that burns the least amount of fuel. Plus you wait and see, by 2010 diesel will be close to the same price as gas again. Heck it used to be cheaper.
Just give me a Tundra with a 2000-2500# payload and I'm happy. Unless the premium that diesel costs over gas comes down, it probably isn't going to make economic sense unless you tow A LOT. Given gas prices, it might be smarter to offer a small truck that can handle a lot of weight- like the old T100 that had a 2000# payload. Why not introduce a Tacoma with a 2000# payload for people who would like to be able to haul (even slowly) but don't have the need on a daily basis. A lot of folks use their truck to commute, but need capacity on the weekends. I bet they are more common than those that really need a big payload/towing diesel.
Let's just call me the test case. 2,000 lbs payload regularly, sometimes more. I put on 10 ply tires and Firestone Air Suspension, and so far, so good. If I have to replace the wheel bearings next year -- so what? I'm driving a far nicer truck IMO than any 3/4 ton I've driven, and the cost differential even with my add- ons is thousands of $$. sorry, digression
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Y'all are missing a very important point here. With this engine, Toyota will be able to export this truck to the Middle East, Europe and Asia. The smaller engine is just what they need in those markets. Yes, we'll see them here, but I think this is more for the overseas market than anything else at this point.
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Y'all are missing a very important point here. With this engine, Toyota will be able to export this truck to the Middle East, Europe and Asia. The smaller engine is just what they need in those markets. Yes, we'll see them here, but I think this is more for the overseas market than anything else at this point.
Very interesting Idea I know Toyota is planning to export some vans and trucks made in the US . Now that the dollar is much lower and sales or down here but by adding the diesel to the tundra and Sequoia will make them even more popular over seas . Maybe they have come up with a way of getting the plants back to running full time instead of mass lay offs like GM and ford . If they can keep sales up I would not be surprised if they don't start building 3/4 and or 1 tons if they can find markets for enough .
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Y'all are missing a very important point here. With this engine, Toyota will be able to export this truck to the Middle East, Europe and Asia. The smaller engine is just what they need in those markets. Yes, we'll see them here, but I think this is more for the overseas market than anything else at this point.
I've seen a few in Abu Dhabi (U.A.E) in the Middle East. I also saw a crew max in St. Lucia a few days ago.
I've seen a few in Abu Dhabi (U.A.E) in the Middle East. I also saw a crew max in St. Lucia a few days ago.
All gray market trucks. You may have even seen one that I sold. I had a guy title one here in the states, but I suspect it made its way to the UAE at some point.
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Like I said in my earlier post: There WILL be people for whom this truck is the perfect solution to their vehicle requirements, but that number will be exceedingly small. It is my guess that those small numbers will not make it worth it to produce this truck.
Now put in an even smaller Diesel that's about equivalent to the 5.7 without a huge upcharge and even better gas mileage - you might have a case.
Give or take I think your much correct on your statement . I don't know personally Not into the whole Diesel concept at this point Toyota is a day too late right now given the current market. I am intrested in the Hybrid v8 Tundra at this given point . Gm Trucks have a 2 stage hybrid system.
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I would buy the diesel Tundra in a heartbeat. It will be rated for a 4x4 18city and 26hwy. The average will be about 22mpg. Right now the same truck is 13 city and 17 hwy and the average is 16mpg. This will be a 6 mpg increase plus a better range of engine if you have ever owend a diesel. The difference in price is going to be about $3000 not $5000. I drive 32000 miles a year and at 16 mpg average that is 2000 gallons of gas. Now at an average of $.80 per gallon more for diesel and your gallons needed at 22 mpg is 1454 gallons. So lets say gas is $4.00 a gallon that would be $8000.00 a year. Diesel would then be $4.80 and that would be $6979. That is $1021.00 a year in savings. It would pay for itself in 3 years plus the value of the truck will still be at least $2000.00 higher at that time. I know everyone doesn't drive as much as I have to but you can see there will be many sold. Plus knowing I am using less oil than I'm in. I am not one that believes a lot in green america because it is out of hand but when there is an engine that we can buy that saves fuel to help with suppy that is criticle. I have to have a truck to tow on weekends so I will do my best to get the truck that can do the best job that burns the least amount of fuel. Plus you wait and see, by 2010 diesel will be close to the same price as gas again. Heck it used to be cheaper.
You are dreaming at 26mpg!!! 6k lb truck with a 4.5 diesel is at best going to get 22mpg Highway At $1 more per gallon of diesel over gas you're probably won't break even. China right now is buying record amounts of diesel and prices are expected to go up even more with an already limited supply. Then you have to pay $5k for the optional diesel, plus oil changes will cost you double, not to mention $75 for fuel filters every 10k miles.
If it was such a great deal then I probably would have kept my Ram. The Tundra gets 12mpg city/18mpg highway which is only 4mpg better than the diesel will get. Experts are expecting diesel prices to hit $6 per gallon which is another reason why I opted for a gasser.
There's so many unknowns. . . Diesel is more easily synthesized from plants (biodiesel a better bet than ethanol); it is easier to refine from crude (if the refineries are working); it is more efficient within the engine itself; the engines last a lot longer in actual practice.
Despite the hybrid hype, I think they'll be long gone soon enough. Their real world mileage is much worse than claimed and they're only decent for slow, stop-and-go traffic. Unless a breakthrough in battery technology happens which allows pre-charging of your hybrid so that you get a few hundred miles before the gas engine even starts. I've done a fair bit of reading on these and the bottom line is: ALL HYPE.
I think this truck's got a shot, if they don't price it out of the stratosphere. Which they'll need to do (price it competitively) if they want to sell enough to drop their fleet average MPGs.
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Re: 4.5L Diesel on 2010 Tundra
I know Toyota is planning to export some vans and trucks made in the US . Now that the dollar is much lower and sales or down here but by adding the diesel to the tundra and Sequoia will make them even more popular over seas . Maybe they have come up with a way of getting the plants back to running full time instead of mass lay offs like GM and ford . If they can keep sales up I would not be surprised if they don't start building 3/4 and or 1 tons if they can find markets for enough .
. Gm Trucks have a 2 stage hybrid system.
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