The cost recoup even with your numbers would take far too long ofr most consumers to see any benefit. Never mind the fact that I get 17.5-19MPG highway. So my operating cost per mile is more like 22.2 to 20.7 cents.
im sorry but i need to see some proof of that, cause it says you have a 5.7L 4x4...i have a 5.7L 4x2 and even before my tires/wheels and everything else i have put on my truck i was lucky if i would get 17-18 MPG cause i drive about at least 50 miles a day round trip and done get over 17 to 18 and now with my tires and wheels i am gettin like 15.......so im not tryin to be an a$$hole but i dont believe that unless i see it...
okay sorry guys...back to topic....
i would love to own a diesel but the cost arent really worth it, but im still a college student and gas is killin me...but once i get outta school i will def be buyin a diesel tundra
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07 Tundra DC 5.7L w/ Sports Appearance Pkg
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Mods: Husky Liner Floor Mats~Billet Grill~Pioneer DEH-9800BT head unit~Color Keyed Door Handles~Brushed Stainless Step Boards~Tow Mirrors~Truxxx 3'' front 1'' rear Leveling Kit~20x9 Ultra Goliaths Chrome~305/55/20 Pro Comp Xtreme A/T tires~AFE Cold Air Intake~Draw-Tite Hitch~Polk Audio db6501 Component Speakers~Polk Audio db5251 Component Speakers~Rockford Fosgate P3 Shallow Mount 10'' Sub~Alpine PDX-5 Amp~Flowmaster 50 Series - Dual Out w/ 4" rolled tips
im sorry but i need to see some proof of that, cause it says you have a 5.7L 4x4...i have a 5.7L 4x2 and even before my tires/wheels and everything else i have put on my truck i was lucky if i would get 17-18 MPG cause i drive about at least 50 miles a day round trip and done get over 17 to 18 and now with my tires and wheels i am gettin like 15.......so im not tryin to be an a$$hole but i dont believe that unless i see it...
I have never got less than 18 on the highway, with 18-20 being my average highway speeds depending on how fast I drive. What speed to you drive on the highway?
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07 Tundra DC TRD 4WD 5.7L Desert Mica
I have never got less than 18 on the highway, with 18-20 being my average highway speeds depending on how fast I drive. What speed to you drive on the highway?
its like 35 miles one way to my college from my house and i drive between 55 and 65 the whole way and now im averaging about 15 or 16 but now before my tires and rims i was averaging about 17 or 18 if i got lucky but i really dont see how you can get 18 or 19 in a 4x4 on the highway because even driving my truck back from atlanta where we bought it on the interstate the whole time i never even averaged over 18 and mine is a 2WD
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07 Tundra DC 5.7L w/ Sports Appearance Pkg
SUPER WHITE
Mods: Husky Liner Floor Mats~Billet Grill~Pioneer DEH-9800BT head unit~Color Keyed Door Handles~Brushed Stainless Step Boards~Tow Mirrors~Truxxx 3'' front 1'' rear Leveling Kit~20x9 Ultra Goliaths Chrome~305/55/20 Pro Comp Xtreme A/T tires~AFE Cold Air Intake~Draw-Tite Hitch~Polk Audio db6501 Component Speakers~Polk Audio db5251 Component Speakers~Rockford Fosgate P3 Shallow Mount 10'' Sub~Alpine PDX-5 Amp~Flowmaster 50 Series - Dual Out w/ 4" rolled tips
its like 35 miles one way to my college from my house and i drive between 55 and 65 the whole way and now im averaging about 15 or 16 but now before my tires and rims i was averaging about 17 or 18 if i got lucky but i really dont see how you can get 18 or 19 in a 4x4 on the highway because even driving my truck back from atlanta where we bought it on the interstate the whole time i never even averaged over 18 and mine is a 2WD
Dont know what to tell you bud, I am running 33" tires (275/70/18) and getting well over 18 and at 55mph I am getting 20+ mpg got about the same with the stock tires though my RPMS are lower with the bigger tires at the same highway speed. And mine is 4WD????
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07 Tundra DC TRD 4WD 5.7L Desert Mica
Dont know what to tell you bud, I am running 33" tires (275/70/18) and getting well over 18 and at 55mph I am getting 20+ mpg got about the same with the stock tires though my RPMS are lower with the bigger tires at the same highway speed. And mine is 4WD????
i have 305/55/20 and they are heavier, actually a lot heavier than my stocks...but i mean even when i had the stocks i would get around 17 or 18 on the highway and like 16 in the city and now im gettin like 13 in the city and 16 on the highway, ill be able to tell you more in a couple of months once i start drivin back to school again....but in the spring i was only gettin 16
doesnt make much since to me....maybe my speedo is off and the computer is off since i went from the 18s to 20s and bigger tires?...idk my GPS says my speedo is right and that doesnt make since because of the bigger tires...i know like when im drivin around my take will show i only have a 1/4th a tank left and i have only gotten like 200 miles and then ill only put like 16 gallons in it (that gets me like 12.5 mpg )...confuses me?
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07 Tundra DC 5.7L w/ Sports Appearance Pkg
SUPER WHITE
Mods: Husky Liner Floor Mats~Billet Grill~Pioneer DEH-9800BT head unit~Color Keyed Door Handles~Brushed Stainless Step Boards~Tow Mirrors~Truxxx 3'' front 1'' rear Leveling Kit~20x9 Ultra Goliaths Chrome~305/55/20 Pro Comp Xtreme A/T tires~AFE Cold Air Intake~Draw-Tite Hitch~Polk Audio db6501 Component Speakers~Polk Audio db5251 Component Speakers~Rockford Fosgate P3 Shallow Mount 10'' Sub~Alpine PDX-5 Amp~Flowmaster 50 Series - Dual Out w/ 4" rolled tips
im sorry but i need to see some proof of that, cause it says you have a 5.7L 4x4...i have a 5.7L 4x2 and even before my tires/wheels and everything else i have put on my truck i was lucky if i would get 17-18 MPG cause i drive about at least 50 miles a day round trip and done get over 17 to 18 and now with my tires and wheels i am gettin like 15.......so im not tryin to be an a$$hole but i dont believe that unless i see it...
It is possible and I still get this kind of mileage on a regular basis. I don't go over 65mph (speed limit), I rarely accelerate hard, and I live in an area with extremely low population density. My drive to work is 24 miles one way, with well over 1000ft of elevation change. I get up to speed, set my cruise and literally 95% of the time don't touch my brakes until my turn off.
If you are driving in traffic where you have to slow down for slower drivers, change lanes, pass people, or get back up to speed you are wasting fuel. Unfortunately there isn't a hell of a lot you can do about it, traffic conditions will dictate a lot of your driving inputs for better or worse.
My last long highway trip was to Lincoln, NE from Hot Springs, SD. I filled up with 85 octane cat piss in Hot Springs, and took off driving conservatively at the speed limit of 65mph all the way to Ogallala, NE to get on I-80 for the rest of the drive at 75mph. I didn't fill up until I was a little east of Kearny, NE. Just over 400 miles, and the truck took on about 20.5 gallons after the fuel light came on. So it was a little over 19mpg tank average. As you might know Nebraska is flatter than a pancake, and I-80 is a well maintained road made of hard smooth concrete. The terrain plus the low friction road surface really make a difference.
I don't know why your truck doesn't get that kind of mileage (stock) maybe you are heavier on the gas pedal than I am, maybe your traffic conditions just suck. If you are driving on chipped pot holed roads that can decrease fuel economy by as much as 5-10% alone no matter how you drive. Maybe I got a factory freak, maybe I broke my motor in better than you did and my piston rings and valve seats got a better wear in.
Try driving like an old lady (minus the part where you run over people on the sidewalk) and just doing the speed limit on your drive. Let people pass you, coast up to stops even if jackasses cut in front of you. It might help.
In summary drive smoothly and conservatively when possible and you'll get better mileage.
The sooner the better. People can accept a 18-24mpg vehicle. Also, even if diesel is 20% more than gas you still come out ahead if your fuel consumption is 25% less.
Toyota must just not buy into the perceived American midset that the diesel engine should be sold at a premium. Just look at the $51 000 MB 320 CDi (it sells at only $1000 over it gas counterpart).
The sooner the better. People can accept a 18-24mpg vehicle. Also, even if diesel is 20% more than gas you still come out ahead if your fuel consumption is 25% less.
Toyota must just not buy into the perceived American midset that the diesel engine should be sold at a premium. Just look at the $51 000 MB 320 CDi (it sells at only $1000 over it gas counterpart).
I can't wait!
wait for what i wouldnt be surprised if toyota drop's the Tundra now they way thing's are looking. Sadly I think it's a day too late and Toyota waited too long oh well back to the drawing board's and create a hybrid that tow's 10k too
Your review on the Benz is a mid level luxury Car and it get's better mpg vs a full sized Tundra.
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wait for what i wouldnt be surprised if toyota drop's the Tundra now they way thing's are looking. Sadly I think it's a day too late and Toyota waited too long oh well back to the drawing board's and create a hybrid that tow's 10k too
Your review on the Benz is a mid level luxury Car and it get's better mpg vs a full sized Tundra.
The Benz I am refering to is a truck - The 320GL. MB also has a great 4.0L V8 CRD named the 420. This would be perfect in a RAM but alas that partnership is no more.
Why waste time and money on a Hybrid when diesel is already here? Toyota's mistake was not launching the 4.5 TDi at the same time as the 5.7L. It's cyclical and once the 4.5 is launched Tundra will be back on track.
The Benz I am refering to is a truck - The 320GL. MB also has a great 4.0L V8 CRD named the 420. This would be perfect in a RAM but alas that partnership is no more.
Why waste time and money on a Hybrid when diesel is already here? Toyota's mistake was not launching the 4.5 TDi at the same time as the 5.7L. It's cyclical and once the 4.5 is launched Tundra will be back on track.
It's not the end of the world - yet
doubt strongly diesel sell's will take off this is not the direction on thing's to come.Personally i don't like Diesel and don't see a point on spending a little more vs gas esp if the saving's takes a wile to add up. Don't get me wrong there is a need for the towing group but it's a small percent of people wanting them.I agree Toyota is late and should have been offered in 2007 but with cafe standards the demand's is changing on requirements.
I Think Toyota sat down and had a meeting about this if i recall from the report's.
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...Personally i don't like Diesel and don't see a point on spending a little more vs gas esp if the saving's takes a wile to add up...
As you said, personally, so ignorance is bliss. If the vehicle gets 25% better fuel economy then, for you to lose, diesel would have to be more than 25% more than gas. Also, as a diesel consumes less the impact on price increases in exponential. IE: the less you consume the slower the gas price rise.
Unless a bean-counter at Toyota figures a premium needs to be placed on an engine, (already in production), diesel is the way forward as the technology is here and now.
Honda launches a TDi in their Odyssey and Pilot next year! BMW will launch their 330Tdi this year. European sales are already greater than 50%.
As you said, personally, so ignorance is bliss. If the vehicle gets 25% better fuel economy then, for you to lose, diesel would have to be more than 25% more than gas. Also, as a diesel consumes less the impact on price increases in exponential. IE: the less you consume the slower the gas price rise.
Unless a bean-counter at Toyota figures a premium needs to be placed on an engine, (already in production), diesel is the way forward as the technology is here and now.
Honda launches a TDi in their Odyssey and Pilot next year! BMW will launch their 330Tdi this year. European sales are already greater than 50%.
...the time has come ! ! !
Comparing the European market to the United states is a little different as Our market tend's to have this bigger is better approach on life .
Bmw had an intresting concept wile I was at the Detriot auto show and that was a hydrogen 7 series. Wile California has a pump's for hydrogen in selective market's i do see Technology aiming in better advancement's.
I Myself wouldn't buy a Diesel because I hate the smell assocated with it .Yea i have a hybrid Highlander and I feel we need to get out of gas engine and Diesel engines but the problems are more complex for a full sized Truck. Like i stated people demand towing figures that are large and gain 30 plus mpg that is somewhat hard to acheive on a Truck. E85 is also a joke as I hate it's use in real world applications.
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The sooner the better. People can accept a 18-24mpg vehicle. Also, even if diesel is 20% more than gas you still come out ahead if your fuel consumption is 25% less.
Toyota must just not buy into the perceived American midset that the diesel engine should be sold at a premium. Just look at the $51 000 MB 320 CDi (it sells at only $1000 over it gas counterpart).
I can't wait!
I have the same questions about the diesel truck pricing here . I believe all the domestics got together made gas engines with little power and or ****ty mileage so they could could charge a huge premium for a diesel trucks.
I really can't see how a diesel engine is all that much more money then a double over head cam VVTI and all aluminum engine .
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)...confuses me?
If the vehicle gets 25% better fuel economy then, for you to lose, diesel would have to be more than 25% more than gas. Also, as a diesel consumes less the impact on price increases in exponential. IE: the less you consume the slower the gas price rise.
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