4.7 or 5.7????

[Mr. Creosote]

IMO the presence of the 4.7 in such a large truck is meant mostly for public perception of available options etc. It certainly can't be economics or performance, considering the difference in future trade in, plus the nearly equivalent mileage....

...and then we have the 4.0 V6.

[Coal Dragger]

Given the actual prices I could observe on actual trucks on the ground when I bought mine the 5.7L was the obvious choice. The difference in price for a truck equipped the way I wanted it with a 5.7L vs 4.7L was about $1500.

For that $1500 I gained: a lot more horsepower, more torque all over the rpm range (hence more HP total), a transmission with more gears, a larger 10.5" rear end, a timing chain that doesn't need to be changed, better future resale, and slightly better rated fuel economy.

[ThirdHorseman]

Originally Posted by Coal Dragger

Given the actual prices I could observe on actual trucks on the ground when I bought mine the 5.7L was the obvious choice. The difference in price for a truck equipped the way I wanted it with a 5.7L vs 4.7L was about $1500.

For that $1500 I gained: a lot more horsepower, more torque all over the rpm range (hence more HP total), a transmission with more gears, a larger 10.5" rear end, a timing chain that doesn't need to be changed, better future resale, and slightly better rated fuel economy.

This is approximately the difference I noticed when buying as well. I guess once you get into the DC and CM with 4x4, the cost of the 5.7L drops significantly. Didn't realize there was such a huge differential for the regular cab.

[Coal Dragger]

I think it's a typical Toyota packaging thing. They build lot's of DC's and Crew Max's with 4X4 and 5.7's so the economy of scale helps with the price.

They might run a handful of regular cabs with any of those options, given the weak demand for those combos the cost of running those trucks is higher than the more loaded up DC's and Crew max models.

[PlowTown Missile]

Originally Posted by ThirdHorseman

Awesome...the Toyota Nazis automatically limit your ability to build a truck on their website by your region. Apparently I am not permitted to build a Crewmax with 4x2, or with the 4.7L. Now I remember why buying this truck was the WORST purchasing experience ever. Toyota has their little USA fiefdoms, and the consumer gets the shaft. Wonderful.

We've been trying to find a Lexus ISF for my wife for nice days and its impossible to even get a dealership to deal on one IF they actually have one

Edit: I can't even find one for under $56K

[Coal Dragger]

Just go buy an M3 Sedan. BMW will even let you order it exactly how you want it unlike Lexus.

[Mr. Creosote]

Some serious hp in those, but serious $$$ also.

Then again, they have the 135 now.

[PlowTown Missile]

Originally Posted by Coal Dragger

Just go buy an M3 Sedan. BMW will even let you order it exactly how you want it unlike Lexus.

One problem... its not built by Toyota

We were considering a 6spd Vette convertible but we agreed that I'd just end up throwing a bottle on it so we decided another LSx car wasn't a good idea

[Coal Dragger]

Originally Posted by PlowTown Missile

One problem... its not built by Toyota

We were considering a 6spd Vette convertible but we agreed that I'd just end up throwing a bottle on it so we decided another LSx car wasn't a good idea

To each his own, but back when I used to work for a dealership that sold both Lexus and BMW I far preferred the BMW product when it came to sporting machines. The flexibility of the BMW ordering system really kicks the crap out of Lexus too. You can literally build your car the way you want it, get it built and pick it up. Hell once you have a deposit the dealer can even give you a tracking code and you can watch the car as it goes through various stages of production. Pretty cool stuff.

Do the European delivery and pick the car up in Munich then drive the balls off of it for a week and ship it to the States.

[PlowTown Missile]

that is pretty cool. The base price on a ISF is $56K. The only option they offer is the navigation, dvd player, premium stereo, etc package which adds another $4100 (which I want) and its been hard as hell to find one in ultrasonic blue mica. You'd think in this economy that they'd be willing to deal on one but since dealers are only getting so many, they won't budge on the price. I don't wanna order one cause I wanna haggle over the price at least a little (get it for under MSRP).

[PlowTown Missile]

ok, back on topic. To answer the original poster's question, get enough truck to get the job done and try not to get power/size hungry. I made the mistake back when I got a diesel of getting more truck than in reality I needed cause I just pull my race car and occasionally a boat. Yet I went out and got a 30k mile 2002 1-ton crew cab long bed diesel 4x4 anyway...

After the "cool" factor wore off, I had a truck that got 6mpg that I made my wife drive cause I didn't wanna take it on jobsites. Fact is the Tundra I bought was the truck I should have got in the first place but I wanted a badass diesel that was lifted with huge tires (15inch suspension lift and 46" Mickey Thompson Baja Claws) and looked killer pulling my car to races. When I sold it I came out ahead but I spent alot of money in gas in those months.

If your getting a 4wd, you may have to get a 5.7 cause 4.7 4wd's are harder to find. If your getting a 2wd truck, drive both. I did and the 4.7 is more than enough motor for our trucks. I can personally tell you that the 4.7 in the 2nd Gen will stomp a GM 5.3 and Ford 5.4 in the same bodystyle.

[kathyricks]

Now to play the role of Devil's Advocate:

The 2UZ-FE 4.7 is a tried and true motor very closely related to the now famous 1UZ-FE 1989 Lexus LS400 V8. So while you would need to spend $800 every 90,000 -120,000 miles on a new timing belt, you can be confident the engine has a reputation of lasting through 5-6 timing belt changes. And the 4.7 has bulletproof and rev loving MECHANICAL valve lifters that will never get "sticky" or develop "bleed down" problems as hydraulic valve lifter engines have been known to do.

The 5.7 is an entirely new design with FOUR timing chains and an all new roller rocker arm valvetrain with hydraulic valve lifters. Imagine the cost and complexity of trying to fix problems down the road (if any ever develop) with 32 hydraulic valve lifters and FOUR timing chains !! Timing chains stretch overtime, retarding valve timing and engine performance, especially with leadfooted drivers whereas valve timing and performance will stay the same over time with a timing belt engine like the 4.7. The 5.7 might also be prone to new design maladies like oil leaks, serpentine belt problems (some have already developed) exhaust manifold leaks/cracks and so forth whereas potential problems of this nature were worked through and resolved long ago with the 4.7. The 4.7 is also a much shorter piston stroke engine so it should (in theory) feel more comfortable spinning at high rpm compared to a long stroke tractor type engine like the 5.7. The 4.7 uses 5W-30 engine oil just like the 1989 Lexus V8 - an oil that has proven to protect the engine for over 500,000 miles whereas the 5.7 uses 0W-20 oil - a viscosity with an unproven track record as Toyota only began using it in some 2006 and 2007 engines. The 4.7 also comes with a tried and true 5-speed automatic vs. the all new and unproven 6-speed of the 5.7

[Coal Dragger]

Originally Posted by PlowTown Missile

that is pretty cool. The base price on a ISF is $56K. The only option they offer is the navigation, dvd player, premium stereo, etc package which adds another $4100 (which I want) and its been hard as hell to find one in ultrasonic blue mica. You'd think in this economy that they'd be willing to deal on one but since dealers are only getting so many, they won't budge on the price. I don't wanna order one cause I wanna haggle over the price at least a little (get it for under MSRP).

Base price on an M3 will be higher, but the European delivery is really really really cool. I had a bunch of customers that did it. If the M3 is eligible it's worth doing as the European delivery is done at a set (lower) price for the car. BMW arranges everything once you get to Germany for delivery, they get you tourist plates etc. If I recall correctly you tell them what port you want the car shipped from or where you want to drop it off to send to port to ship after your vacation is done with.

Never had a customer that did not have an absolute blast (literally) driving on the Autobahn on the unrestricted speed sections. Just one word of warning though: if there is a speed limit sign it is strictly enforced!

[hoss10]

Well I have a 4.7 reg Cab long which I use to pull a 6000 pound stock trailer and it works fine, maybe if I lived in the mountains it would be different. I spoke to a local contrator who has both a 4.7's and 5.7's and he claims they do not get the same fuel milleage, the 4.7 is much beter so who knows.
I really don't miss the bigger motor at all.

[mitw44]

I have a 2004 DC 4x4 with the 4.7. A very smooth powerplant with plenty of power. Plus I like the look of the 04 over the new body style.