the bfg is a lot tougher tire, and THE best winter All-terain tire. I run them in the oil fields, 200 miles a day on a Silverado 2500HD, and those are HARD miles. not a flat on this set in 12000 miles, still have nubbies in between the tread blocks.
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Allright guys!!! Sorry about that!! I didnt even get the grass finished before I had an issue come up with work.... damnn this economy!!!
Allright, so I have run both tires and here are my thoughts. The only thing to remember is that the BFGs were on my 01 Tacoma (also ran Nitto TGs, Rugged Trails and Pathfinder ATs)
BFG All Terrain- I replaced a set of 285/75/r16 Pathfinder ATs with 285/75/r16 BFG AT KOs. I ended up giving about $200 per tire. Tread wear was great. I ended up getting 65,000 miles out of them. These are the longest lasting tires I have ever owned, even compared to the street tires on my Silverado, Powerstroke and Z71. But, thats about the only good thing I can say about them. I had 2 blowouts with them. Both were when they had 30-40k miles on them. They hummed pretty well at speeds above 45mph. Wasnt really impressed with the ride quality. The biggest beef I have with them is their performance. The interlocking "closed" tread pattern was a nightmare. I have never had a set of tires that hydroplaned that bad. I really had to be careful on wet roads.... OVERLY careful. I ended up in the ditch 3-4 times due to hydroplaning. Its pretty easy to understand why. The water just doesnt flow through the treads. It has no place to go. I saw somebody else had mentioned this earlier as well. The offroad performance was just as bad due to the pattern. Mud and Clay get crammed into the treads and is hard to clear. After a few seconds, its like riding on slicks. I got stuck alot, even on wet grass. It was kind of embarassing. I never ran them in snow, because its hotter than helll here 10 months out of the year, so I cant help you out there. I replaced the BFG AT KOs with Nitto Terra Grapplers in the same size. I only ended up getting 40K miles out of those tires, but their performance was much better on and off road due to the more open tread pattern. Never hydroplaned and they were also much quieter than the BFGs.
Toyo Open Country ATs- I replaced my stock tires on my Tundra with 305/60/r20 (34.3x12.6) tires last November with just 12k miles on the truck. I ended up paying $375/tire, but remember, this tire is big and for a 20 inch rim. I have put 31K miles on them since and I have about 40% tread left. These tires are EXTREMELY quiet. They do not hum at ALL at ANY speeds. They ride just as soft as my stock tires did. The open tread pattern on these is perfect. I have yet to hydroplane even once as these tires perform well on wet roads, even for a 12.5 inch wide tire. I have been down the muddiest, nastiest clay roads in Texas with no problems. These tires clear mud and clay very well. I have been very impressed with this tire, and will be replacing this set with another set of Toyo ATs in October.
A little bit of background about my driving habits: I drive about 1000 miles a week. Most of the miles are highway miles, but I take clients on hunting trips all over the state, so my trucks see fair amounts of offroad use. I cart clients around everywhere, so I need a tire that handles well and is very quiet. Nothing bugged me more than having humming tires for 6 hours a day. Also, Im seeing about 50k miles on my trucks a year, so I need good tread life and not have to break the bank. I paid a little extra for the Toyos, but their comfort, handling and low noise level are WELL worth the few hundred bucks more.
I guess you must have read more into my reply than what was written. I had hoped to hear the pro's and cons from someone with actual first hand knowledge of both tires. "Justinfa" provided just that. Thanks to everyone who gave me advice!
So one mans opinion has you swayed? I guess the millions of BFG people who endorse thier tires must be way off.
Whoa dude... dont get all butt hurt about it.... I just gave the guy an unbiased opinion... yours on the other hand is biased.... I have run both tire options that he is inquiring about (actually ran the BFG ATs one other time on my 89 Toyota 4x4 about 8-9 years ago, but only kept the truck for 2 months after I put them on, so that shouldnt hold any wieght in the discussion)
I would say that about 75 percent of the trucks that I see are running either BFG ATs or Nitto Terra Grapplers.... Does that mean that they are the best tire out there?? Noooo.... That just means they are the most popular tires out there. Free advertisement when you see them everywhere...
The Toyo AT is alot more expensive than both of those brands, so that is going to deter alot of folks from buying them.
Mileage wise, I think BFG wins hands down (will know in the next few months how long these Toyos make it), but based on my experience with them, Im not willing to worry about hydroplaning and getting stuck all the time to get 4-5 thousand more miles. And the Nittos were horrible mileage wise with only 60 percent treadlife compared to the BFGs, but I see Terra Grapplers EVERYWHERE...
I think its very easy for all us truck enthusiasts to forget the safety function of tires. We get all wrapped up in how big and cool they are, and how great the mileage is.... Im just as guilty as the next, but safety should be the biggest concern when buying tires... I just didnt have that safe feeling with my BFGs...
Whoa dude... dont get all butt hurt about it.... I just gave the guy an unbiased opinion... yours on the other hand is biased.... I have run both tire options that he is inquiring about (actually ran the BFG ATs one other time on my 89 Toyota 4x4 about 8-9 years ago, but only kept the truck for 2 months after I put them on, so that shouldnt hold any wieght in the discussion)
I would say that about 75 percent of the trucks that I see are running either BFG ATs or Nitto Terra Grapplers.... Does that mean that they are the best tire out there?? Noooo.... That just means they are the most popular tires out there. Free advertisement when you see them everywhere...
The Toyo AT is alot more expensive than both of those brands, so that is going to deter alot of folks from buying them.
Mileage wise, I think BFG wins hands down (will know in the next few months how long these Toyos make it), but based on my experience with them, Im not willing to worry about hydroplaning and getting stuck all the time to get 4-5 thousand more miles. And the Nittos were horrible mileage wise with only 60 percent treadlife compared to the BFGs, but I see Terra Grapplers EVERYWHERE...
I think its very easy for all us truck enthusiasts to forget the safety function of tires. We get all wrapped up in how big and cool they are, and how great the mileage is.... Im just as guilty as the next, but safety should be the biggest concern when buying tires... I just didnt have that safe feeling with my BFGs...
Butt hurt? Im not familiar with that term?
You opinion is duely noted....
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We run both Toyo OC AT's and BFG AT/KOs in a farming and work environment. Had the OP asked the question a year ago I would have said Toyos. Subsequent in the field experience has yielded the AT/KO's the winner. And I am a real Toyo proponent. Love their tires and manufacturing process. It's just that the Toyo ATs don't last long at all for us. We're lucky to get past 30K miles. On the other hand the BFGs give us twice the mileage and are much quieter (which I was stunned about with their agressive-looking tread). I do agree with the posting stating that the BFG AT/KOs tend to fling small rocks a gravel more than the Toyos and I do notice this since I am off-road much of the day.
Vehicles both types tested on:
2007 Tundra DCLB 5.7L 4x4
2005 Ford Superduty Powerstrokes (two trucks, 4x4)
1996 Chevy Silverado 1500
2008 Chevy Silverado 1500 (Toyos only so far but ready for TA/KOs)
2003 Chevy Silverado 2500
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2007 Tundra DC SR5 TRD Nautical Blue, 5.7, 4X4, Toytec 2.5" front lift, 1" rear block, Diff. drop kit, BFG AT KOs 305/65R/18, JVC KW-AVX810 head unit, HD Radio, Sirius, JVC CH X1500 12 disc CD changer, Scosche piano black dash kit, Alpine 550 4 channel amp 90 watts per channel, Focal 165 V1 components front, Cliff Designs CD60-4C Components rear, Modified Pioneer sealed sub box, MTX Audio TT 6510-04 10" shallow sub, Alpine 450 mono amp 220 watts, R/F 1 farad digital capacitor, All 4 doors and rear wall DynaMatt, Hard wired Escort Passport 8500 X50, Boyo VLT 300 rear veiw camera.
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