So glad you find it funny, this GM buyer dint think it was so funny at all http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=31054, GM has had bad issues with paint and mostly orange peel, now they dint put enough paint on the new stuff, i see their paint work everyday i drive a Chevy van, paint looks like they applied it with a roller. Yeah tundras paint could be thicker but I hear no black tundra owner complain, and chipping bumper you're the first Ive ever read here, chipping instantly OK we get it you're a GM guy. GM needs a hell of a lot of quality control if they want to stay at number two after TOYOTA passes them.
Well I don't know about GM's paint but I'm not at all impressed with my Tundra's black paint. You should see the front of my hood and rocker panels, lots of chips and they are all the way down to the primer. Also it seems to scratch easier but that may be because it's black and they just show up more easily. My old 89 Toyota looked better after 10 years than my Tundra did after 2, and my wifes Honda Pilot has awesome paint, much better than my Tundra's. Toyota's paint could be better, Just my opinion. Do a search here you'll find lots of complaints.
Well I don't know about GM's paint but I'm not at all impressed with my Tundra's black paint. You should see the front of my hood and rocker panels, lots of chips and they are all the way down to the primer. Also it seems to scratch easier but that may be because it's black and they just show up more easily. My old 89 Toyota looked better after 10 years than my Tundra did after 2, and my wifes Honda Pilot has awesome paint, much better than my Tundra's. Toyota's paint could be better, Just my opinion. Do a search here you'll find lots of complaints.
I have a white civic 2005 and has chips all over, has very good thick paint but still chips deep from rocks and the primer looks black, so it really stands out, on my tundra it's red and the primer is white so it really stands out, they all chip no matter how thick the paint, as I stated the tundra paint could be thicker, nice thing is very little orange peel. all scratches on clear coat come up white so on dark colors they will show and appear to scratch very easy. I'm well aware of the early complaints on tundra paints and some new one's yours is the only specific black tundra I'm aware of, I'm sure if i search i will find more blacks. Chip complaints were all colors. I have a GM van full of orange peel and chips
Well I have not been following any of the 07 Tundra threads....and I don't plan on catching up on 27 pages of threads....sorry I don't have that much spare time So.......if this was already discussed let me know.....
I read tonight in one of my fathers boating magazins that the 07 Tundra is supposed to have close to 400 Hp?! Last I had heard it was going to be in a tad above 300?
I'm sorry if this had already be talked about....if it has simply pass this post by
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morepower, im not trying to knock anything, im just simply stating that the tundra, in comparison to anything else my family has owned, had very thin paint that scratched and chipped easily. I am a GM fan like you stated, but i am also a Toyota fan...And the Denali, ya thats pretty piss poor on a new truck, but its also pretty piss poor to have to go through 3 bumpers in 3 years....All you have to do is a search to find out how many people have had paint chip off of their plastic bumpers, its not really a fault of Toyota, but a fault of plastic painted bumpers in general. Paint simply does not seem to stick to plastic like it does to sheetmetal, or at least thats all that makes sense to me.
morepower, im not trying to knock anything, im just simply stating that the tundra, in comparison to anything else my family has owned, had very thin paint that scratched and chipped easily. I am a GM fan like you stated, but i am also a Toyota fan...And the Denali, ya thats pretty piss poor on a new truck, but its also pretty piss poor to have to go through 3 bumpers in 3 years....All you have to do is a search to find out how many people have had paint chip off of their plastic bumpers, its not really a fault of Toyota, but a fault of plastic painted bumpers in general. Paint simply does not seem to stick to plastic like it does to sheetmetal, or at least thats all that makes sense to me.
3 Bumpers in 3 years, I'm curious did you replace them because of paint chips or paint peeling off, if so you must be the most unlucky guy in the, world to replace 3 bumpers, i dint think anyone had reported that do a search and see. Is you're driveway gravel. paint wont chip any diff on plastic than steel, if anything plastic gives and the paint will also give, you still chip but not because the paint wont stick to the bumper, piss poor is a Denali that needs a new paint job, Yeah I'm a GM fan too just like you and toyota.
morepower, im not trying to knock anything, im just simply stating that the tundra, in comparison to anything else my family has owned, had very thin paint that scratched and chipped easily. I am a GM fan like you stated, but i am also a Toyota fan...And the Denali, ya thats pretty piss poor on a new truck, but its also pretty piss poor to have to go through 3 bumpers in 3 years....All you have to do is a search to find out how many people have had paint chip off of their plastic bumpers, its not really a fault of Toyota, but a fault of plastic painted bumpers in general. Paint simply does not seem to stick to plastic like it does to sheetmetal, or at least thats all that makes sense to me.
simple solution LIne X body color your plastic bumper
I've never been very key on Toyota changing out the bumpers on the 03Tundra up to this cheap setup and your right Tundra paint is thin my old 00 Had a factory problem and the truck was repainted free ....
ya man i must have gotten the shaft then, i treated the truck well too only the occasional gravel roads, maybe once a wk. I can't wait to see what Chevy and Toyota put on the roads next yr then, hopefully they arent like Ford, still working out a lot of bugs 3 model year trucks later...
Well I have not been following any of the 07 Tundra threads....and I don't plan on catching up on 27 pages of threads....sorry I don't have that much spare time So.......if this was already discussed let me know.....
I read tonight in one of my fathers boating magazins that the 07 Tundra is supposed to have close to 400 Hp?! Last I had heard it was going to be in a tad above 300?
I'm sorry if this had already be talked about....if it has simply pass this post by
No need to worry, Hugemoose! The new Tundra official HP rating has not been confirm yet. Although, all we can do for now is give an educational guess as to what HP numbers it will be. Some has said, slightly above 300HP (I doubt it though) and some said, approximately 380HP (possible). However, there's rumor that it will have about 405HP, but the truth is... there's no actual information release from Toyota so far. But according to the speech given during the Auto Show presentation from the now new president, Jim Press, there was a clue regarding the all-new 07 Tundra 5.7L V8 will be a Dual VVT-i engine. If that's the case, the engine will make more than 400HP easily as you can imagine the new technology capabilities with this new engine will have.
Just look at the new engines technology with the Camry/Avalon V6, Lexus IS350 and Lexus LS460 for reference and judge for yourself. Indeed the new Tundra Dual VVT-i 5.7L V8 will be a powerhouse.
For fun and comparison purpose only...
All these engines have Dual VVT-i technology
Camry/Avalon 3.5 V6 = 268HP and 248 lb. torque
76.5HP and 70.8 lb-ft of torque per liter
Lexus IS350 3.5 V6 = 306 and 277 lb. torque
87HP and 79.1 lb-ft of torque per liter
Lexus LS460 4.6L V8 = 380HP and 370 lb-ft of torque
82.6HP and 80.4 lb-ft of torque per liter
If you take that average of say about 80HP and 75 lb-ft of torque per liter for the new Tundra V8 engine, you would imagine approximately 456HP and 427 lb-ft of torque in the new 5.7L V8, but since this is a truck engine and will tuned for more torque rather than HP numbers, I think reversing those numbers is more like it. But then again knowing Toyota is very conservative, I think it will be approximate 405HP and maybe somewhere around 435 lb-ft of torque is more like it. I don't know, but just crunching some numbers for reference only.
If your estimates are anywhere near what they actually do come out to be, Toyota will pull quite a few domestic truck drivers into a Toyota. The only thing that scares me at all is the fact that the new motor is that big, and if its that powerful hopefully Toyota puts enough R&D needed to produce decent gas mileage. I do wish it looked a bit better to be honest though, but I am sure it will grow on me as every truck that has hit the market in the past 10 years grew more and more on me.
Oh well those numbers don't seem to bad! I was just wondering since they sounded very cocky with the numbers they threw out there in this article. I thought I had missed some big news .
And tundra9, I feel you on the hopes that the new engine is in good shape and doesn't have any problems. The good part about this whole deal is that the 4.7 will still be offered. So there will be confidence in that motor at least.
I am still not the biggest fan of the looks, but I wasn't a fan of the looks of my truck when I first got it. It was OK but i didn't find it great. Now I love it! I really do hope that this new Tundra is a good piece and that it will make a lot of believers out of current Big 3 truck owners......I'm hoping to make my father one of them
__________________ David~2001 Toyota Tundra 4X4 TRD SR5~SSautochrome headers~Single 2.5" exhaust w/ Flowmaster 50 series delta flow muffler~K&N FIPK intake system w/True-flow filter~ASP underdrive pulley~Hellwig Anti-Sway Bar(removed)~Powertrax No-slip~Bilstein 5100 front and rear w/ Deaver 10 pack~Diff breather mod~255/85 BFG M/T on Wheelers Black Steelies Type B~Custom Rocksliders~Skid Row front skid plate~Custom Transfer case skid plate
If your estimates are anywhere near what they actually do come out to be, Toyota will pull quite a few domestic truck drivers into a Toyota. The only thing that scares me at all is the fact that the new motor is that big, and if its that powerful hopefully Toyota puts enough R&D needed to produce decent gas mileage. I do wish it looked a bit better to be honest though, but I am sure it will grow on me as every truck that has hit the market in the past 10 years grew more and more on me.
If my thinking is correct based on an education guess and some rumors, I think Toyota will definitely steal the show in the full-size trucks market for a while. However, I think the die-hard domestic buyers will not jump at Toyota anytime soon, but some open minded customers will definitely jump ship when the new 07 Tundra provide that kind of needs.
Toyota stated, they will lead the market with this all-new Tundra in many areas and among the largest size (that will be with Dodge ram in size). That will be powertrain, technology, gas mileage, roominess and towing etc. If I remember correctly, I believesToyota stated it took 7 years of R&D for this all-new Tundra design from the ground up. Hopefully, all the bugs has been work out with this new truck, but just like anything else, there will be some kind of bugs that hasn't been seen in testing until come the real world when it show up. I guess you can call it teething problems?
As for the looks, I think this new Tundra looks very very nice. Very bold and aggressive! Well, at least for me it does appeared that way. But I will have to see it in person when it comes out to see if I really need one or not. We need a bigger vehicle for the kids in a couple years... Wife want 4Runner, but we need a Sienna. Maybe we can compromise for the new Tundra. :-)
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Oh well those numbers don't seem to bad! I was just wondering since they sounded very cocky with the numbers they threw out there in this article. I thought I had missed some big news .
I really do hope that this new Tundra is a good piece and that it will make a lot of believers out of current Big 3 truck owners......I'm hoping to make my father one of them
What number did Toyota threw out in the magazine, I like to know?
If Toyota did really push the truck envelop to it full potential with the new technology capabilities, you bet it will make the Big 3 truck owners a believers. But the fact remain to be seen if Toyota will do that or not or they will just be conservative again. I hope Toyota push the envelop so we can all benefits from the competitions.
There has been a lot of people on this Board stating they don't care for the all new Tundra Look wise looking like a overersized Dodge Ram and I tend to disagree from my standpoint the overall design is very Inventive fresh and very Bold and the overall freshing looks SO much better vs the present Tundra styling which has gotten rather sub dated the last 6 year's. I Very much welcome Change in the all new Tundra and Feel it's a better offering then the Big 3 can provide at present. One of the Main reason Toyota Super sized the Tundra in every key demisions and area was because Owners like ourselves expressed a key interest in more usable space and More room. As you see Toyota has very much provided that in the all new Tundra.The access cab have been replaced to the Double cab's and Toyota even has a real Crew 4 door In store very soon. The Toyota Sequoia is also getting a huge ground up redesign that will improve on features similar to that found in the 07 Chevy Tahoe and Yukon.Wile Toyota hasn't released any engine Figues and pricing as of yet expect to see that within reason On every other current Suv/truck in this market segment..
What number did Toyota threw out in the magazine, I like to know?
If Toyota did really push the truck envelop to it full potential with the new technology capabilities, you bet it will make the Big 3 truck owners a believers. But the fact remain to be seen if Toyota will do that or not or they will just be conservative again. I hope Toyota push the envelop so we can all benefits from the competitions.
I don't think that Toyota actually stated it, but the mag simply said it will have a 5.7L V8 that will have arond 400 horses. So I guess there are hints floating around. I just can't wait to drive one and see what i think of it.
The styling does resemble other trucks already on the market but that's because those trucks are selling! Toyota knows this so they can use it to their advantage. So....to each their own. If you like it, good. If you don't, good.
__________________ David~2001 Toyota Tundra 4X4 TRD SR5~SSautochrome headers~Single 2.5" exhaust w/ Flowmaster 50 series delta flow muffler~K&N FIPK intake system w/True-flow filter~ASP underdrive pulley~Hellwig Anti-Sway Bar(removed)~Powertrax No-slip~Bilstein 5100 front and rear w/ Deaver 10 pack~Diff breather mod~255/85 BFG M/T on Wheelers Black Steelies Type B~Custom Rocksliders~Skid Row front skid plate~Custom Transfer case skid plate
I was invited to attend a new vehicle research group for the fullsize trucks this evening and I just returned home. The fullsize truck that was the main focus was the 2007 Tundra Double Cab and Crew Cab with short bed. So, with that said here is what I can confirm:
1: 5.7 with 355 HP with 380 TQ, this was posted on the spec sheet attached to both Tundra models with 6-speed automatic.
2: Spec sheet for Crew Cab 4-door with short bed is 228.7 inches in length.
3: Pricing was $32,805 for Double Cab and $34,245 for Crew Cab, unfortunately could not confirm model or options.
4: Was asked to evaluate 11 color choices, some were new colors.
5: Was asked to evalute possible accessories, 20 inch wheels, TRD Exhaust, Satellite Radio, Remote Starter.
This was what I could remember, but I will try to answer questions from what I can remember.
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__________________ David~2001 Toyota Tundra 4X4 TRD SR5~SSautochrome headers~Single 2.5" exhaust w/ Flowmaster 50 series delta flow muffler~K&N FIPK intake system w/True-flow filter~ASP underdrive pulley~Hellwig Anti-Sway Bar(removed)~Powertrax No-slip~Bilstein 5100 front and rear w/ Deaver 10 pack~Diff breather mod~255/85 BFG M/T on Wheelers Black Steelies Type B~Custom Rocksliders~Skid Row front skid plate~Custom Transfer case skid plate
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OK we get it you're a GM guy. GM needs a hell of a lot of quality control if they want to stay at number two after TOYOTA passes them.
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