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Know I'll get flamed for this, but gotta vent. Was REALLY planning on getting 07 Tundra. Waiting, watching. 5.7L engine - 6 spd trans. Nice. About same gas mileage. OK. 4 real doors in both versions. Standard safety stuff note even available on competition - Excellent.

But then couple little things added up:

1. NO sunroof on DoubleCab. Not EVEN on limited. While not a big deal to some, hard to spend 40k+ on a truck and NOT get options I want. Also, no power rear window on 2007 DC either... While this makes sense for a 20k work truck, makes NO sense for a LIMITED luxury truck.

2. No full-sized bed in CrewMax. Thought a CrewMax might be the answer, but a 5 ft bed just isn't cutting it for me and my kayaks and bikes. Could get a longer bed than this on a DC Tacoma.

3. Couldn't get 5 stars on GOVERNMENT safety crash test. Alone, not such a big deal, but come on - what kind of engineering does this reflect? The test hasn't changed in YEARS, Toyota's engineers should be ashamed ...

Three strikes. 2007 Tundra is OUT (for me at least).

Will hang onto my 2005 Tundra until they get it RIGHT, or get beat out of the market by big three. Beat? Yes - it might be possible for 2007 Tundra to be a huge, expensive and embarrasing flop.

Why?

Street price for 2007 Tundra V6 Reg Cab 2WD work truck is now 23K. Same level truck from Ford, GM or Dodge is 16-18k (with "incentives'). At that rate, I'm just not seeing 100-200k / year. No matther how much more reliable it might (or might not) be.

Sure, they'll sell 20-40k / year CrewMax and DC Limiteds to those that can afford them. About same market size as honda ridgeline. But to sell 200k / year the Tundra has got to get a LOT cheaper, and has got to compete with Domestics on a STANDARD crash test...
 

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The DC's rear window isn't powered? :confused: ----me if its not---->:cry:
 

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No, the DC rear window is not powered. I agree that and a sunroof should be available on the limited DC. I wasn't going to spend another 4k to get a power window and sunroof. O well, I'll get over it.....once I get my DC!
 

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No, the DC rear window is not powered. I agree that and a sunroof should be available on the limited DC. I wasn't going to spend another 4k to get a power window and sunroof. O well, I'll get over it.....once I get my DC!
:( Bummer, I didn't know that until now. I love having it open and getting a nice breeze through with the front windows down. I guess I'll have to open it before I want to go somewhere, unless its easy to reach from the driver's seat.

Oh well, like MACSTER said, I'm sure I'll deal and it will be soon forgotten after I get my truck :D
 

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Know I'll get flamed for this, but gotta vent. Was REALLY planning on getting 07 Tundra. Waiting, watching. 5.7L engine - 6 spd trans. Nice. About same gas mileage. OK. 4 real doors in both versions. Standard safety stuff note even available on competition - Excellent.

But then couple little things added up:

1. NO sunroof on DoubleCab. Not EVEN on limited. While not a big deal to some, hard to spend 40k+ on a truck and NOT get options I want. Also, no power rear window on 2007 DC either... While this makes sense for a 20k work truck, makes NO sense for a LIMITED luxury truck.

2. No full-sized bed in CrewMax. Thought a CrewMax might be the answer, but a 5 ft bed just isn't cutting it for me and my kayaks and bikes. Could get a longer bed than this on a DC Tacoma.

3. Couldn't get 5 stars on GOVERNMENT safety crash test. Alone, not such a big deal, but come on - what kind of engineering does this reflect? The test hasn't changed in YEARS, Toyota's engineers should be ashamed ...

Three strikes. 2007 Tundra is OUT (for me at least).

Will hang onto my 2005 Tundra until they get it RIGHT, or get beat out of the market by big three. Beat? Yes - it might be possible for 2007 Tundra to be a huge, expensive and embarrasing flop.

Why?

Street price for 2007 Tundra V6 Reg Cab 2WD work truck is now 23K. Same level truck from Ford, GM or Dodge is 16-18k (with "incentives'). At that rate, I'm just not seeing 100-200k / year. No matther how much more reliable it might (or might not) be.

Sure, they'll sell 20-40k / year CrewMax and DC Limiteds to those that can afford them. About same market size as honda ridgeline. But to sell 200k / year the Tundra has got to get a LOT cheaper, and has got to compete with Domestics on a STANDARD crash test...
Hey I hear ya but I was actually encouraged to read your post. For me, a moonroof is the most useless and expensive option ever devised for any vehicle so I would almost pay extra NOT to get one. Also, if the CrewMax had a longer bed I would not consider it. I'm getting a CrewMax because its bed is sized perfectly for the truck. Third, I'm all for safety but if that's a prime concern maybe a truck isn't for you.

Good luck with whatever domestic truck you buy.
 

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I would be all over the CrewMax if it just had a 6ft bed :(

And no POWER sliding window in the DC...c'mon...thats what I really wanted! Oh well...
 

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Personally, I paid $44K for my DC and it does not bother me one bit that it doesnt have a sunroof or power slider. They are nice options, but I am not that lazy that I cant get out and manually open my rear slider. And, I can add a sunroof for around $900 if I want one. I bet that these options will be available on the DC in a couple of years...for me, no big deal...I have too much fun with my 5.7 to be worried about a sunroof/power slider
 

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Personally, I paid $44K for my DC and it does not bother me one bit that it doesnt have a sunroof or power slider. They are nice options, but I am not that lazy that I cant get out and manually open my rear slider. And, I can add a sunroof for around $900 if I want one. I bet that these options will be available on the DC in a couple of years...for me, no big deal...I have too much fun with my 5.7 to be worried about a sunroof/power slider
Is there any possiblity that it can be reached from the driver's seat, like at a stop light or something? Or would I have to have six foot arms?
 

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Is there any possiblity that it can be reached from the driver's seat, like at a stop light or something? Or would I have to have six foot arms?
No, I am 6' and cannot reach it. But, take a quick 30 seconds and pull over, get out, open the rear door, and open the rear slider:tu: . Obviously, not as nice as a power slider, but still just as effective.
 

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Know I'll get flamed for this, but gotta vent. Was REALLY planning on getting 07 Tundra. Waiting, watching. 5.7L engine - 6 spd trans. Nice. About same gas mileage. OK. 4 real doors in both versions. Standard safety stuff note even available on competition - Excellent.

But then couple little things added up:

1. NO sunroof on DoubleCab. Not EVEN on limited. While not a big deal to some, hard to spend 40k+ on a truck and NOT get options I want. Also, no power rear window on 2007 DC either... While this makes sense for a 20k work truck, makes NO sense for a LIMITED luxury truck.

2. No full-sized bed in CrewMax. Thought a CrewMax might be the answer, but a 5 ft bed just isn't cutting it for me and my kayaks and bikes. Could get a longer bed than this on a DC Tacoma.

3. Couldn't get 5 stars on GOVERNMENT safety crash test. Alone, not such a big deal, but come on - what kind of engineering does this reflect? The test hasn't changed in YEARS, Toyota's engineers should be ashamed ...

Three strikes. 2007 Tundra is OUT (for me at least).

Will hang onto my 2005 Tundra until they get it RIGHT, or get beat out of the market by big three. Beat? Yes - it might be possible for 2007 Tundra to be a huge, expensive and embarrasing flop.

Why?

Street price for 2007 Tundra V6 Reg Cab 2WD work truck is now 23K. Same level truck from Ford, GM or Dodge is 16-18k (with "incentives'). At that rate, I'm just not seeing 100-200k / year. No matther how much more reliable it might (or might not) be.

Sure, they'll sell 20-40k / year CrewMax and DC Limiteds to those that can afford them. About same market size as honda ridgeline. But to sell 200k / year the Tundra has got to get a LOT cheaper, and has got to compete with Domestics on a STANDARD crash test...
Chuck

Very valid points about the pricing structure and sales forecasts. I have a sneaky feeling that Toyota may have over-estimated the extent to what someone will pay for a pickup truck in today's market. I personally do not see Toyota hitting their forecasts with the new Tundra unless they start dropping real world prices dramatically.

We'll see I guess....
 

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Hey I hear ya but I was actually encouraged to read your post. For me, a moonroof is the most useless and expensive option ever devised for any vehicle so I would almost pay extra NOT to get one. Also, if the CrewMax had a longer bed I would not consider it. I'm getting a CrewMax because its bed is sized perfectly for the truck. Third, I'm all for safety but if that's a prime concern maybe a truck isn't for you.

Good luck with whatever domestic truck you buy.
Agreed. My wife had to have a moon roof when we bought her Acura last year. In that time its been opened about half a dozen times.

Incentives dont do anything for resale value but kill it. There is a reason you never see a BMW or Mercedes dealer offering incentives like the big 3........they dont need to. I've always been a firm believer in that you get what you pay for.

However, best of luck with whatever you choose.
 

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I love my sunroof and rear power slider on my 06 DC. Can't imagine not having the rear slider now.
 

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The rear power slider would have been nice but I can that aftermarket before long.
 

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All I can say is that luxury is nice but it is not what I'm paying for. I want a tough a$$ truck with the muscle to tow and if I can get a moonroof and sliding rear window, then great. If not, I'm still buying it. There is a reason you can't get every option on each truck. Obviously it's not beyond their engineering capabilities, it's just a marketing/selling strategy. We might not understand it but it's certainly not the first time an automotive company has done something like this and I don't really think that Toyota expects people to be deterred from buying something because it lacks these features. With that said, enjoy your sliding rear window and moonroof while I'm smoking you at the light WITH a boat in tow, it will help ventillate my exhaust from your cabin.

No hard feelings, just my opinion.
 

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heres a novel idea...offer them as an OPTION!! This way people get what they want, not what you tell them they want. I cant say how many times I say I wish I had a sunroof on my Taco...I know they are not for everyone so make it a package.
 

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and here another novel idea, build you own vehicals from scratch, that way you may understand what it would take for a manufacturer to attempt to offer a million different options for a billion different configurations.:tu:
 

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and here another novel idea, build you own vehicals from scratch, that way you may understand what it would take for a manufacturer to attempt to offer a million different options for a billion different configurations.:tu:
Umm..yeah. Thats it. :ts:

Lets not forget..Toyota has a Looooooooooong way to go to get to where the Americans are with regards to trucks. We still are king of the truck..until they sell more, they should learn from us.
 

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Umm..yeah. Thats it. :ts:

Lets not forget..Toyota has a Looooooooooong way to go to get to where the Americans are with regards to trucks. We still are king of the truck..until they sell more, they should learn from us.
I pray to God that Toyota "learns" nothing from the Big 2.5 on how to build (and sell trucks as your post implies) trucks. I get no comfort buying from a deep discount volume leader. :)
 

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The rear power slider would have been nice but I can that aftermarket before long.
I was wondering about that. Do they even offer aftermarket rear sliders? I'm sure I could design one if I had the time but it would be nice to do aftermarket...
 
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