From my experience I would go with the Ford. Not exactly happy with the late model quality of Toyota for the money.
I’d consider a Nissan Titan.Reliability is superior to any American truck
ROTFLMFAO!!! Dude, you owe me a new keyboard after causing me to spit my OJ out all over the keys.
Besides the before mentioned weak kneed Dana 44 rear, the bottom radiator tank will crack......not "if", but when.
Then there's the horrible brakes before '08......hey, at least they matched Ford there!!
Got to laugh at all the Tundra "problems".....an "oil filler cap"??? Wow, what a POS!!!
Let us not forget the Ford's woes during the time period stated:
Troublesome cam phasers.
Leaky injectors that will cause bent rods due to hydrolocking.....at least Ford stepped up and offered a 100K warranty on injectors.
Small brakes that will warp much easier than the Tundras (yes, I've read of that problem on our trucks, but the specs alone tell me if you warp a 14" rotor that uses a giant 4 piston caliper, you'll probably fry the Ford's brakes.)
Spark plugs that weld themselves into the heads that dealers will NOT take responsibility for during a change. I guess that's better than plugs spitting themselves out which the 2V motor did.
The already mentioned suspect transmissions........This reason alone is what had me change from Ford to Toyota. And I may not have changed except Ford denied the claim on my 3rd tranny because I was 3 days out of warranty (but 30,000 miles short of the mileage)
Anyway, I suppose the 150 can be had cheaper and I am sure that there's many more to choose from......but No one can tell me it's a better truck than the Tundra.
The fact is they both have known issues, but you have to decide if the underpowered, under braked, weaker truck is worth saving a few bucks over.
I say make sure you get a Tundra with under 36,000 miles and buy a $900 (+-) 100,000 mile warranty and enjoy the best drivetrain on the market.
Just a disclaimer, I'm still a Ford guy at heart and I can't wait to try a 6.2L in a S-crew.....but until then, the Fords in the vintage the Op is considering aren't even in the same ball park.
I'll hit him for ya. :afro:ill rep you if I could....:tu:
I'll hit him for ya. :afro:
I currently drive an 05 Tacoma AC TRD 4x4. I've often wanted more cab room and a bit more bed space (not to mention better springs). I love that the truck has been relatively reliable for the past 90K miles, but I'm considering getting out of it for a fullsize knowing full well that I will take a hit mpg wise.
Really, at this point, the only two trucks I'm considering are a Tundra and an 05-08 F-150. I've owned two Toyota's, my 96 was bulletproof, the 05 was still solid, but not near like my 96. I had tended to be a bit more biased in the past with regards to other vehicles, but hear me out, and I would like input from those with experience to help in the decision process when I start test driving.
My truck is paid for, so I'm not buying a new truck to enter massive payments. The lower I can keep the payments the better. I'm not super concerned with speed, but I don't want a slouch of a truck. I'm not going to be towing, but I want the payload capabilities of a 1/2 ton, since I felt limited with my Tacoma. I really just want a solid truck that can take a good load in the bed, fit four people comfortably even if just for short drives, and that will average at least 15mpg). I've found an 07 F-150XLT with 15K on it for $19K which meets my price criteria, low mileage is good since I put about 12k/year on it, I should get plenty of relatively solid years out of it.
However, I can't get over the fact that many people claim terrible mileage in the 5.4, and if you don't have the power, but you're getting terrible mileage, it doesn't seem worth it.
As for the Tundra, even a used one is going to result in relatively higher payments, I'm uneasy about build quality (frame rust is a major one for me), and hauling capability. The springs on the Tundra don't look all that impressive, but I've read some good first hand reports from people that it does handle a load very well.
Reading about the AIP issue ticks me off, and since I would be buying used (around 60K miles), I'm sure it would be a replacement part within 30K after ownership which I don't want to have to shell the money out for).
Looks do play a major role with me, and while I know it's subjective, I like the F-150 much more than the Tundra in the looks department, but I could live with either
I know mpg would be a little better in the Tundra with way more HP/Torque than the F-150, but again, this next truck HAS to last me for a long time, so with that said, the fact that I can get an "older" F-150 with much lower mileage might equate to longer ownership down the road with hopefully relatively less major maintenance issues.
I will test drive both shortly, so it might make this decision easier, but I certainly am trying to be as unbiased here as possible. I know BOTH manufacturer's have their problems, so the blanket statements of one being vastly superior over the other pretty much falls on deaf ears with me. I agree one may be better than the other, but they aren't without their flaws. My goal is to hopefully make the best choice taking those flaws into consideration and get a truck that meets my needs (longevity, decent fuel economy, work load handling, and looks) best.
So, what are your thoughts? If you were trying to keep payments to a minimum, weren't dead set on one specific brand, and wanted a solid truck (no plans to lift), would you consider a much lower mileage Tundra alternative such as the F-150?
Sometimes penny wise can be pound foolish. Price is important but if you're trying to be frugal you need to get into a vehicle you'll be happy with for the long-haul. Tons of people on here 'settled' for the smaller motor, the smaller cab, 2wd, a few less options. People all the time go for a mid sized or compact truck, or a cheaper make, cause they don't want a big payment. Great if that's what you genuinely want and can live with. Not a bad idea if you won't be holding your vehicle more than a few years anyway. Not so great if you want to hold it for a decade or more but you start to hate it after a year or two.I think the biggest issue with me with the new Tundra is price and my cheapness. I really don't want high truck payments. Not that I can't afford it, I just have other priorities, and want to save for bigger things right now(like land). I don't doubt that the F150 is a bit more "boring" than the Tundra, but then again, I'm not racing my truck. Some of the better deals I'm finding on 07+ Tundras turn out to be 4.7s for the most part, which is also a bit disheartening.