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Supposedly they are not going the Hino route, but instead building the truck and sourcing the diesel engine thru Isuzu which Toyota now owns 6% of.
 

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Supposedly they are not going the Hino route, but instead building the truck and sourcing the diesel engine thru Isuzu which Toyota now owns 6% of.
Yes I 've heard that rumour but I have no idea where it came from or whether it has a shred of truth to it.
 

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The procurement manager at my local Chevy dealer told me this same about a month ago. He lamented GM's sale of it's 49% ownership in Isuzu a couple of years ago to help bolster GM's stock when investors were unhappy and GM was selling cars at employee prices. He said Toyota has since moved in on Isuzu to take advantage of their diesel expertise, considered one of the best in the world (just look at the Duramax engine design and the NPR trucks Isuzu did for GM).
 

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Doesn't make sense if indeed the HD Tundra has been halted. There is a clear business case for an HD Tundra, unlike an HD Titan. And Hino makes some of the best diesels in the world, so it's not as if Hino is outclassed by Isuzu. One possibility though is that Toyota may be extending the development time for the HD Tundra to combine Isuzu's expertise with Hino's expertise. Both of their expertise combined into one truck and one engine would mean some really bad news for the competition.

The Duramax is indeed a great engine, developed mainly by Isuzu, and GM who have very limited diesel experience. Now imagine for a moment an engine developed by Isuzu and Hino together, two of the world's best diesel engine makers.
 

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Doesn't make sense if indeed the HD Tundra has been halted. There is a clear business case for an HD Tundra, unlike an HD Titan. And Hino makes some of the best diesels in the world, so it's not as if Hino is outclassed by Isuzu. One possibility though is that Toyota may be extending the development time for the HD Tundra to combine Isuzu's expertise with Hino's expertise. Both of their expertise combined into one truck and one engine would mean some really bad news for the competition.

The Duramax is indeed a great engine, developed mainly by Isuzu, and GM who have very limited diesel experience. Now imagine for a moment an engine developed by Isuzu and Hino together, two of the world's best diesel engine makers.
Yes....that would be ideal IMO.
 

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The article maybe correct. I read an article in a business publication that stated Nissan had scrapped plans for the heavy duty Titan and cancelled work with Navistar for the diesel.
 

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There are two articles in Diesel Magazine saying that Toyota has been seen associating with CAT products. They said it is obvious that something is up in the air between them.
 

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Toyots did infact buy 6% in Isuzu - it's a fact. #22 Toyota Camry in NASCAR Nextel Cup is sponsored by CAT. Several pieces of CAT equipment are seen in ads being pulled by the 07 Tundra - maybe that's what started this CAT rumor.

Toyota buys stake in Isuzu - Automotive Business Review

news: Toyota to buy stake in Isuzu, develop diesel engines

There's another thread a month or 2 old in the 1st gen forum about this;
http://www.tundrasolutions.com/forums/1gen-tundra/85852-rumor-cat-tundra-2008-5-09-a/
 

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A big yellow CAT motor or even a green Deere motor under the hood of a Toyota would steal a lot of domestic business... but that sounds like a pipe dream to me.
 

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I don't have it in writing. But, My dad is good friends and business partners with Bill Davis who owns the Caterpillar Cup team and several truck teams. I heard the words directly from his mouth that "Cat is casting the Toyota blocks."
 

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huh! Pretty cool !!! Sounds like they've got the business side going...thanks for the info...oh and 1 more thing - any openings at BDR? :D
 

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I'm almost afraid to ask what BDT is....
 

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Doesn't make sense if indeed the HD Tundra has been halted. There is a clear business case for an HD Tundra, unlike an HD Titan. And Hino makes some of the best diesels in the world, so it's not as if Hino is outclassed by Isuzu.
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It is just as much a business case For Nissan to offer a HD 3/4-1 ton diesel in the US market as it is for Toyota, as the competition would help price, quality, etc. If these two marketed HD pickups it would not be in the volume of the big 3, everybody would be watching the mini race betwen these 2. It will take a while before we see production numbers like GM, Ford, and DCX. In many parts of the world Nissan outsells Hino and Isuzu in the cab-low forward market, incuding Australia. Nissan Diesel is a premier builder of very good quality diesel engines. I would not want a Titan diesel, but a Tundra diesel with the engine by Hino, Isuzu, or even the competior Nissan would be hard to beat.
 

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It is just as much a business case For Nissan to offer a HD 3/4-1 ton diesel in the US market as it is for Toyota, as the competition would help price, quality, etc. If these two marketed HD pickups it would not be in the volume of the big 3, everybody would be watching the mini race betwen these 2. It will take a while before we see production numbers like GM, Ford, and DCX. In many parts of the world Nissan outsells Hino and Isuzu in the cab-low forward market, incuding Australia. Nissan Diesel is a premier builder of very good quality diesel engines. I would not want a Titan diesel, but a Tundra diesel with the engine by Hino, Isuzu, or even the competior Nissan would be hard to beat.
I don't remember sales for Australia, but I do know Hino is a big seller there. And I know for a fact that Hino dominates sales in Asia. Hino is also top in sales in Japan.

Hino and Isuzu are considered to be the top 2 diesel makers in Japan. Nissan Diesel does make good trucks and engines, but Hino and Isuzu are considered to be better overall.

Also of note, Volvo recently bought up most of the stake in Nissan Diesel.

By business case, I meant would Nissan even be able to sell enough HD trucks to make the investment worthwhile in the first place.
 

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you will be seeing MANY more Hino trucks in the US. Many of the Isuzu "delivery" trucks are being replaced with Hino......keep your eye open for the funky "H" on the grill.

Yosh!
 
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