Good points... :tu:I'm not a former Powerstroke owner, but am a former diesel guy... '06 Cummins 5.9L.
I can tell you why I'm "planning" to get an '07 Tundra instead of diesel though.
#1 With EPA limitations on the new diesels, gas mileage is no longer much, if any, better than the 5.7L.
#2 For now and the past 2 years around here, diesel has been more pricey than regular gas.
#3 Daily driving is easier with a gasser, and more fun.
#4 I got tired of shutting off my diesel in the drive-thru lines.
#5 I don't need to tow more than 10K pounds, if even that.
#6 Stock Tundra with warranty = quick. Stock diesel with warranty = Not as quick. Modified diesel may be quicker, but the price you pay is possibly losing your warranty... as I did pushing a mere 100 lbs. more of torque, which most diesel folks will know that's weak compared to what you can push diesels, but it was enough to blow my injectors and ruin my warranty and take $7K out of my pocket. Live and learn.
The ONLY thing the diesel has going for it as far as my needs go, is:
#1 Resale value
#2 Long-term reliability. Diesels properly cared for can go 300K-400K miles or more.
I would not bring up price as a selling point. My dad and I both bought new King Ranch PSD 4x4 crew cabs 3/4 tons last spring. My dad had me get him a quote on a Tundra crew cab for many reasons that have already been mentioned, looks like he is going with another Super Duty becasue the price on the Tundra @ 1000.00 over invoice was close to 8,000 more than what we paid for our diesel King Ranch's last year. We both tend to order our trucks with every available option, so there were a few options on the Tundra that were not available last year on the Super duty trucks, but even if I back those out the Tundra was still 4 grand more. We paid 39k for trucks that had MSRPs well over 50k via my fleet program with ford. Toyta gave me a fleet number it was worth 500.00 dollars compaired to the Ford 5000.00 discount. Never the less You ahve to just want the Toyota, I have ran sever total ownership cost calculations, and there is just no way to justify the Toyota at there current prices. I like the trucks, but I don't like them that much neither did my dad.Let's not forget the initial purchase price premium for a Diesel ($3000 - $6000 depending manufacturer and options) buys A LOT of gas over the life of the vehicle. My dad and brother swear by their Dodge CTDs and there are days when I really want one in a bad way, but I can justify the up front purchase price vs. current price of diesel and the ULSD mileage hit, not to mention I just don't need it.
Let's not forget the initial purchase price premium for a Diesel ($3000 - $6000 depending manufacturer and options) buys A LOT of gas over the life of the vehicle. My dad and brother swear by their Dodge CTDs and there are days when I really want one in a bad way, but I can justify the up front purchase price vs. current price of diesel and the ULSD mileage hit, not to mention I just don't need it.
To answer your question specfically: What payload and towing capacity do you need?Why did you choose the new Tundra instead of the new 08 F-250 6.4L Diesel? :ts:
I was looking at getting one then changed my mind, I'm still on the fence though, since my Tundra is on order...