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Subject: RE: Reply to post 'Remote Mounted Turbo Kit for Tacoma/Tundra'

(This is from Todd at Jack-it Suspension here in SLC, UT. He has an 00' V8 with the STS system as well.) I sent him the thread to see what he thought:

Hi Dustin,

Very interesting. My truck also set a mass air code but only one time the
first day I had the truck back. I only run at 5 psi of boost and I know the
turbo system can be turned up alot more than 5 psi this might be why he is
having this problem. I also have the piggy back computer with my set up. The
one thing that I have noticed is under towing conditions in over 100 degree
temp the engine can ping if pressed hard also the A340F auto trans needs the
valve body reworked for shifting points to keep the trans in good shape it
acts like it slips and then bangs into gear under hard throttle when the
extra power from the turbo is put into the trans it is becouse of how toyota
has set the trans to have smooth shifts.
Thanks,
Todd.
 

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Finally got it dynoed

The results are finally in:
With STSTurbo, FMU, and Walbro fuel pump.

Max HP 238.2
Max Torque 289.2

Stock results:

Max HP 205.8
Max Torque 260.9

I will post scan copy in a few days of the actual results.
Oh and the dyno was 1yr and 3 months apart and 20k miles ago.

Mike
 

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Mike,

That does not seem like much of a gain!!
 

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Aloha,
I know. I was hoping for at least 50hp gain. But again the engine is completely stock...down to the original spark plugs and wires. Yeah I know I've been slacking on the maintenance. I didn't slack on the oil change though thats fo sure. What a waste of a 600hp turbo. If I could just squeeze out at least half of that for my Tundra i'd be a happy camper. I'd love to have 500hp under the peddle of my Tundra. I'm already looking at increasing boost, but I need more juice.


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kanakamaoli said:
The results are finally in:
With STSTurbo, FMU, and Walbro fuel pump.

Max HP 238.2
Max Torque 289.2

Stock results:

Max HP 205.8
Max Torque 260.9

I will post scan copy in a few days of the actual results.
Oh and the dyno was 1yr and 3 months apart and 20k miles ago.

Mike
Here is link to dynosheet:

http://www.geocities.com/mgerard_2000/tundradyno.jpg
 

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kanakamaoli said:
The results are finally in:
With STSTurbo, FMU, and Walbro fuel pump.

Max HP 238.2
Max Torque 289.2

Stock results:

Max HP 205.8
Max Torque 260.9

I will post scan copy in a few days of the actual results.
Oh and the dyno was 1yr and 3 months apart and 20k miles ago.

Mike
I would get it re dyno'd those results aren't correct. What altitude are you at?
 

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I know, im disappointed too. I must be losing boost somewhere. I have to tighten up all my bolts.

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forcefedyota said:
i dont know what your problem is, but something defenitely isnt right...
this is mine with a clogged filter, afr is pig rich, around 8 psi

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/46/tundradynosts5vv.jpg
yeah well,.............. post some pictures !
And I'm sure we would all like to see
Lets hear more than a brief statement about your truck and just how powerful it is , information is wanted around here, Not just statements
(No resentment here, just tired a one liners and simple posts) like everytime I search for good info, it takes hrs.
 

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Yes, please do share!

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I dont think the majority of the people even consider the advantages of this system, such as:

the single turbo that doesnt run off a custom very $$ designed/built exhaust manifold (even though the STS kit is fairly expensive... especially since it seems like all the bugs arent worked out)

With a custom manifold you'll need:

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to have both exhaust banks running through a y into one turbo
"simple" single tube running the compressed air to the intake
single air filter
mangled up mess of a exhaust manifold

OR

2
run twin turbos (one per exhaust bank)
run compressed air through a y pipe into the intake
single air filter (must have a y pipe into both turbo compressor side inlets)
-OR-
dual air filters
2 separate exhaust manifolds

Plus, I think we all can agree already, that having the turbo(s) under the hood will of course increase engine bay temperature. So you'll have to wrap the heck out of the turbo and all hoses nearby, plus add a heat shield or 2, heat padding to the hood or other close by surfaces, etc. So, added weight, added cost of materials, added time and much less space under the hood for other work.

So when you consider all of that the STS kit appears to be a fairly simple "bolt-on" kit. Of course anything like this will require a chip or computer tuning, youd have to be completely ignorant or stupid to think otherwise. Yeah, I have to agree that having the hot turbo back there isnt the greatest idea, especially with the intake sucking in the dirt, water. Snorkel time. With the 05's plastic bed, that might be a issue. So basically there is no perfect system, theres concerns with any of them.

Personally Id love to see a company provide a complete turbocharger system, with full dual exhaust from the front to the butt, or at least a tuned single tube system. Until a company steps forward (which I seriously doubt will happen) or I spring up some $10,000 for a turbo system the STS is about as close as we'll get to the TRD SC system. Of course for the 05 Taco there is no options out there at all, right now. Of course, personally, Id drop the compression of the engine with forged pistons, shorter throw rods, then shot peen, etc everything else. Toyota engines are great but they can only take so much, especially if you want a dependable daily driver. If you are going to spend 4-5000 you might as well get your moneys worth and drop the comp and raise the boost, something above the pathetic 4-5psi.

About the ideas of twincharging your truck...

In my MR2 days a friend of mine had a '88 MR2 which he tried to tune a twincharged system. He spent way too much money on it and in the end he gave up and sold the car before it was close to running perfect. Probably even to this day it doesnt run perfect. Gerald, who had the twincharged MR2 in Sport Compact Car years ago (Toysport sponsored the article) even had issues with his car. Like once the turbo had completely initialized it was either WOT or nothing, which was quite scarey when the boost was cranked up. He normally ran it about 350hp (1.6 liter 4 banger) but was quite certain 500hp could be ran with a weekend cruiser. I tried to work up a system for my 89, I looked at different superchargers, turbos, different methods of sequencing the sc with the tc (multiple bypass valves, vanes, flapper valves, etc) but couldnt work out a truely reliable system. So, I was either going to pitch that crappy roots supercharger and replace it with a turbocharger or slam in a 3SGTE or a v6. I ended up selling the car, which I do miss at times, before I got to do any serious playing, which saved me some money I suppose.. With a few minor mods I ran a average of 9.5psi through the factory roots. I never did dyno the car but ran it against other MR2's, 5.0's, etc and the car beat pretty much anything, except at higher speeds where the sc sucked.. I did lose one race in a big way, '04-05 TT NSX.. Id hope so considering the differences of the price tags.. I believe with a properly built engine, tuned maps and properly selected turbos you cant go wrong.

Ford put out a Rally car (I forget the name of it) that had a great twincharger system but yet again I did read some issues with it. Its hard to perfect the system especially when you dont have a big sponsor footing the bill of tuning, parts, etc. So do yourself a favor and not even consider twincharging your truck..

NOS is great for the track, drag that is. Sucks for everyday driving, especially if you want the extra power to tow something, or even for race course. Water injection would be a better option for a long term help, at least there you can pick up water just about anywhere without paying a arm and a leg.
 

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Aloha,

WOW. Another MR2 junkie. I currently have a 89 MR2 supercharged. Engine is blue printed and balanced. 12psi pully from Toysport. Forged pistons, yada yada. I dynoed that at only 150hp at Rear wheels. Fun as hell to drive but not out to street race. Basically my SCCA II car. But your right, they are quick and could probably smoke some modern cars today. Only problem is mine sucks on gas mileage...horrible gas mileage, like 17 mpg!!! At boost I run rich. RUnning stock computer though and ignition too. Anyway sorry for going off topic. I do love my STS Turbo though.

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kanakamaoli - what octane gas did you run when you did the dyno? 33hp/29tq doesn't seem to be alot considering its turbo'd. Just curious, what size turbo does the STS kit run? Are there any actual pics of this kit on anyones truck?
 

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Aloha,
RUnning 92 octane. Guys at dyno said that there is an exhaust leak by where the exhaust hooks upt to the STS pipe side. Just lazy to change the o-donut there. Think my wastegate is leaking too. I can take pics but I've gotten about 25k miles on it so far.
My kit came with the 35GTR, which is good for 600hp. That is an upgrade option though.
Mines a 2WD.

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kanakamaoli said:
Aloha,

WOW. Another MR2 junkie. I currently have a 89 MR2 supercharged. Engine is blue printed and balanced. 12psi pully from Toysport. Forged pistons, yada yada. I dynoed that at only 150hp at Rear wheels. Fun as hell to drive but not out to street race. Basically my SCCA II car. But your right, they are quick and could probably smoke some modern cars today. Only problem is mine sucks on gas mileage...horrible gas mileage, like 17 mpg!!! At boost I run rich. RUnning stock computer though and ignition too. Anyway sorry for going off topic. I do love my STS Turbo though.

Mike
Only 150hp? Barebones stock at 7-8psi is 147hp. With that much work into it you should be pushing a lot more than that. Given that number and the STS I kinda wonder if the dyno you are going to is off.

Heres the 89 SC I had... wish I still had it sometimes.
http://www.rspphoto.com/My_SC/My_SC.htm
 

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Aloha,
Its very possible. The guy that installed my muffler on my Tundra said that the local dynoshop had misdynoed his truck. He said that it was putting out 800hp and when he took it to another island to dyno it, they said 1300hp. Guy said the guys here don't know what they are doing.
A side note, the MR2 engine was dynoed at 180hp at shop before being installed.

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kanakamaoli said:
Aloha,
RUnning 92 octane. Guys at dyno said that there is an exhaust leak by where the exhaust hooks upt to the STS pipe side. Just lazy to change the o-donut there. Think my wastegate is leaking too. I can take pics but I've gotten about 25k miles on it so far.
My kit came with the 35GTR, which is good for 600hp. That is an upgrade option though.
Mines a 2WD.

Mike

I used a vband to correct this exhaust leak. I also clocked the turbo to take the crazy s shaped curbe out of the STS design and had the piping redone to just a simple right angle. I also painted it black with heat specific paint to make is inconspicuous from the passenger side.
 
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