I was reading in motor trend and they said Toyota is thinking about a Toyota pickup smaller than the Tacoma , has anyone else herd about it or is it just M/T toying with us 2006 January/ February Auto News Edition - News Front - Truck Trend News
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There is guy localy that sells those for about $5000 he has Suzuki Honda Hyundai and I think Toyota .
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If Toyota returned with a small truck with 4 cyl, manual hubs, manual transmission, manual transfer case, no power anything, no plastic trim outside, no color coded bumpers, etc. I would buy one immediately, no matter the cost.
Have you seen IZUZUS latest "truck" UGLY in my opinion.I would like one as big as my 1985 and 86 , I could go anywhere with that it was the perfect size . I am about to the point of not caring who makes a small pickup ,even KIA or Hyundai
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You would think in Vermont they would allow them to be street legal, or at least on roads short of the interstate. This state is so fracked up its not funny. It would be handy to have a street legal rig like that, or one of the other UTV, fit it with tracks or tires depending on the season and terrain, plow, trailer.
How about one of those VW type of buggies modified for 4wd? Would be fairly decent on gas compared to a "brick".
I deliberately bought a 2004 rather than a 2005 based largely on the size issue. If I had to replace my truck right now I'd have serious issues with accepting the size of the current Tacomas. That's just me ...
I think the main motivations for a smaller pickup vehicle are pretty clear: (a) the fuel situation (which will only get tighter over the coming years) and (b) the fact that market segment is empty of offerings (save for the ancient Ford Ranger).
I think the main motivations for a smaller pickup vehicle are pretty clear: (a) the fuel situation (which will only get tighter over the coming years) and (b) the fact that market segment is empty of offerings (save for the ancient Ford Ranger).
Interesting point; I bought my '05 b/c the '04 was smaller than I wanted, and a mid-size suited me better.
Note: I do not take it on tight trails.
Maybe, but there is not much difference in fuel mileage between the two models. And if it becomes a serious issue, those who must have a pickup will buy a new, much more efficient truck -- which will be available at that time. Those who do not need a truck will buy a small car, which is much, much more fuel efficient than any truck.EnolaGaia said:
Keep in mind that the "fuel issue" is a moot point when considering the '04s over the '05's. These trucks weigh the same roughly, and the '05's engine is a more efficient design to boot. The current Tacoma access cab V6 4x4 (3950 pounds) has the same weight as my 1993 Toyota xtra cab pickup V6 4x4 (3950 pounds).
But I would like to see a compact truck back in the market for Toyota.
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A small truck would be interesting. Either way, a diesel is needed for all their trucks. In the near future, it seems that some Jeeps and the Dodge Dakota will get a 4.2 liter Cummins diesel. This will provide some great torque and gas mileage for them to boast about.
The 2005+ generation is heavier than the 2001 - 2004 generation by hundreds of pounds in all categories.
Staying with the example of 4X4 V6 Xtra-/Access Cabs:
2004 (manual / auto): 3515 / 3540 lbs.
2005 (manual / auto): 3950 / 3960 lbs.
This weight differential runs throughout the model lines. For example, the basest-model 2WD Regular Cab (4 cyl / 5-speed) gained 390 lbs. (from 2750 up to 3140 lbs.) at the 2004 / 2005 generational boundary. And not much of that weight gain can be attributed to the larger-displacement 2.7L / 3RZ engine in the '05, because it's the same engine series / block.
This perhaps helps to explain the fact that EPA *highway* mileage ratings are generally higher for the 2005+ generation, but EPA *city* mileage ratings are at best identical and in most cases lower.
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I read on a blog that now that Toyota has bought a share of Isuzu they will get access to their diesel engines for future products.
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Because GM was backing out except Duramax.
It's a good news for Toyota since Isuzu is the biggest diesel engine manufacturer.
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It's a good news for Toyota since Isuzu is the biggest diesel engine manufacturer.
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For those that want a diesel (yuck!) powered pickup, why dont you just do a engine swap... theres half cuts here, should have all the electronics, efi, etc that you need to get it going.
http://www.jarcoinc.com/inventory/halfcuts/
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A Diesel swap involves a hell of a lot more money than if you bought a truck that is manufactured with one. IF it was a $4000-5000 option on a compact truck to have a small diesel, to do a swap, would be as much or more, and you don't have a factory warranty, and you don't have the peace of mind that it is built to work with the truck. Plus you gotta find/outsource a diesel, which can be tough to find, and often times it won't be a Toyota diesel, which I would prefer if I wanted a compact truck with a Diesel, because Toyota knows a thing or two about diesels. Also, every and any swap almost always involves some consequences, or something you may have to deal with or have a recurring issue with. Please keep in mind that we also are talking about new compact trucks. A lot of guys on other yota discussion boards I frequent have iterated their same thoughts on yearning for a small diesel for a Toyota compact truck. The economy would be nothing short of amazing I would imagine, the maintenance, the relaiblity, even more so than their current gas engines. It would honestly be a win-win situation for a lot of people. The torque downlow for offroading too...simply awesome.
Pulling that odd small boat or trailer to the camping spot? NO problem with the small diesel. But why should I go out and swap in a diesel and then a guy like you can just go out and buy the truck you want with the gas engine you want. Are guys who want diesels inferior to you? Consider that all around the world, they sell diesel cars and compact trucks, but because we have this err of we're better than everyone in North America, this prohibits guys from enjoying diesels in compact trucks here in North America? give me a break.
"because we have this err of we're better than everyone in North America, this prohibits guys from enjoying diesels in compact trucks here in North America? give me a break."
We ARE better than everyone else. If you think that's arrogant, just go live someplace else for a while- you'll come around(unless your french). I've owned 3 diesels and unless your pulling a huge load, they're NOT worth the extra trouble. Period. They use them in the rest of the world because we're the only ones that care enough about polution to set meaningful emission standards(which 99% of the worlds diesels won't meet).
We ARE better than everyone else. If you think that's arrogant, just go live someplace else for a while- you'll come around(unless your french). I've owned 3 diesels and unless your pulling a huge load, they're NOT worth the extra trouble. Period. They use them in the rest of the world because we're the only ones that care enough about polution to set meaningful emission standards(which 99% of the worlds diesels won't meet).
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How does US emission standard compare with EU and Japan?
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I may be incorrect, but isnt the diesel sold in Europe a higher quality kind than ours?
You are correct -- European diesel has a much lower sulphur content than our fuel.
I have read that something is being done about the high sulphur levels here, but I can't recall what it is.
Check this website:
DieselNet: Diesel Exhaust Emission Standards
There is a lot of info there, but it shows why diesels are so popular in the EU. In the past and until 2008/2009, they have had very soft emission standards for diesels as compared to gasoline cars and trucks. In answer to the question of fuel quality, I'm not really sure if they have cleaner/better diesel fuel than we do, but I do know #1(cleaner&lower viscosity) lowers your mileage drasticlly!! However, it does lower particulate emissions as well.
Something's finally being done after repeated delays caused by oil and trucking company lobbying ...
A switch to low-sulfur diesel has been in the works since the late 1990's. It's actually starting to happen.
When the US finally starts offering the same low-sulfur diesel fuel as almost everywhere else in the developed world, we can finally get the benefit of diesel engines that've evolved 1 or 2 generations beyond what's available here. The newer-generation diesels can't use the sulfurated sludge still sold here in the USA, so we've been denied the latest generation equipment ...
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