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Driving about, as I do, I have finally had opportunity to see a few on-road examples of the new cars.

Ford made the new Mustang look so much like the classic that old guys can get excited. It looks like a cross between the retro and modern technology.

The Dodge Challenger is scary! It looks like time-warp from the 70's.

At first glance it catches the eye as something different but the more I stare the less I am impressed with the Camero.
Chevrolet chose to head off in an entirely different direction than retro, but it looks like something else, like it wanted to be a Dodge Charger...maybe.

The goo-goo, waa-waa's won't understand the appeal of a Hummer, because they think it right and proper that everything be homogeneous,
but I have an itch that says there is a market for something distinct.
 

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CAMARO not comero.
 

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The Camaro does nothing for me, the Challenger looks awesome,
but IMHO the Mustang is the best New Pony/Muscle car available.

 

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I have never, ever been a fan of FORD products, but that Shelby is SWEET!

"The Shelby GT500 has a supercharged and intercooled 5.4-liter dual overhead V8, and is expected to push out around 540HP."
 

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the shelby cobra super sanke gt500 can get up to 700hp:

April 27, 2007 – Shelby Automobiles will use newly-developed Ford Racing GT500 performance packs to help transform a limited number of 2007 and 2008 Ford Shelby GT500’s into fire breathing “Super Snake” coupes. The Super Snake post-title package will include enhancements to the Ford Shelby GT500’s handling, styling and power; tuning options will range from a warranted 600 HP V8 to over 725 HP (unwarranted). Only a limited number of Super Snakes will be built per model year at the Shelby Automobiles facility in Las Vegas beginning in late 2007.

They also get:
6-speed manual transmission with 3.73:1 rear axle ratio
Ford Racing performance exhaust system
Ford Racing Handling Pack offering unique performance suspension tuning including Dynamic adjustable dampers, lowering springs, tuned stabilizer bars, and front strut tower brace
Shelby-designed Alcoa 20-inch wheels
Ford Racing short-throw shifter
Baer 6 piston brakes with Shelby cast calipers and larger rotors
Front brake cooling ducts
Unique carbon composite hood featuring classic Shelby design
‘Shelby’ lettering across the front edge of hood and rear decklid
'Super Snake' vehicle badging
Carroll Shelby signature embroidered headrests, floor mats and other Shelby designed components
Official Shelby CSM dash plate
 

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i'll stick with non-american made cars. if nissan could get their launch control issue worked out to prevent the $20k tranny in the GTR from destroying itself, you'll be hard pressed to find a better car. for $80k, just a little more than the super snake, you'll get low 3 second 0-60 times and mid 11 second 1/4 mile times. that's a far cry from the low 4 second 0-60 and low 12 second 1/4 mile times of the super snake. if they would just put a computer limiter on the launch control like the porsche with a dual clutch has, that would certainly help reduce or eliminate detonating the tranny.
 

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got wake where did u see one for 80k? all the ones ive seen still have the market adjustment on them....last one i touched was 96k in order to open the door and sit inside and look closer at it...
 

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got wake where did u see one for 80k? all the ones ive seen still have the market adjustment on them....last one i touched was 96k in order to open the door and sit inside and look closer at it...

one of my customers bought a premium about 6-7 months ago for about $86k. it was just a little over MSRP. the local dealer has had two sitting on the lot for quite a while now. i'll be getting a company car the end of this year or beginning of next, and i'm seriously looking at the GTR's.
 

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Why couldn't the Challenger be a Toyota!

I really love the way it looks, its Viagra on wheels, but its a Chrysler product, which means it will be junk in two years.
 

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the wifee has a serious hard on for the challenger, and i like them too, just cant bring myself to own a chrysler though, even if its the srt8. my next car will be a shelby super snake.
 

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Engine

Cylinders 6
Displacement 3.6 liters
Engine layout Rear engine
Horsepower 530 hp
Torque 505 lb.-ft.
@ rpm 2,200 - 4,500 rpm
Compression ratio 9.0 : 1


Performance
Top Track Speed 204 mph
0-60 mph 3.6 s
0-100 mph 7.4 s

What is it?
 

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The more I look at New cars - the more I find myself yearning for a made in Detroit, pre-ECU, four barrel fed big block lead sled.
 

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Why couldn't the Challenger be a Toyota!

I really love the way it looks, its Viagra on wheels, but its a Chrysler product, which means it will be junk in two years.
Ditto....I rode with a Challenger down I-15 last Friday on the way to the airport (I was in a rented stang vert) I was F7cking sweet!!! He decided to go ahead and leave 80mph far behind, and I loved the sound of the exhaust. The rear end on that car is awesome, and the lines are plain great.

That shelby is gonna be a POS....the thing is still a stang....700hp turd box.

You can put frosting on a meadow muffin but it will never taste like a cupcake.
 

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I'm only able to compare a few North American to European or Japanese vehicles. I'm sure many of you have driven a greater variety. I liked the acceleration of the CTS-V -- that thing was a beast, but even with the super-tight suspension it felt a bit like a boat. The older 911 was much tighter on suspension, and it went where I was thinking almost before I turned the wheel; I can't imagine what 911 GT2 would be like. I also drove an 02 M3, a very very well behaved car which had great acceleration and cornering and brakes. The 5.7 Tundra is a pretty good all-around vehicle and the best investment I probably could make would be the S/C. I know I don't have $200,000 for the Porsche!
 

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Engine

Cylinders 6
Displacement 3.6 liters
Engine layout Rear engine
Horsepower 530 hp
Torque 505 lb.-ft.
@ rpm 2,200 - 4,500 rpm
Compression ratio 9.0 : 1


Performance
Top Track Speed 204 mph
0-60 mph 3.6 s
0-100 mph 7.4 s

What is it?

way more expensive, about 10% more HP, slower off the line, and just barely more top speed than a GTR :thumb:
 

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way more expensive, about 10% more HP, slower off the line, and just barely more top speed than a GTR :thumb:
10.5 1/4 mile, (that's over .5 sec faster then the Nissan and the transmissions aren't crapping out on them either :sad:
 
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