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I just watched the live stream of Toyota introducing their new products. When it came to trucks it was really lame. I'm on my forth and likely last Tundra. It's a 2017 which is really the same as the 2007 that it replaced. I doubt that the 2022 will be much different. They need to get on the EV bandwagon before it's too late IMO.
 
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Cybertruck is on order. In ten years you'll be hard pressed to find a car or truck or semi with"a basic internal combustion engine". IMO
 

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In ten years you'll be hard pressed to find a car or truck or semi with"a basic internal combustion engine".
While I agree ICEs will disappear, and I DO think EVs are the future, they need to build a truck with a better battery range for towing to get all the die hards to convert. Your 26 gallon tank Tundra, not towing (16 mpg) has a range of ~400 miles. Towing at 8 mpg, that drops to ~200 miles which is barely tolerable, but with 100,000 gas stations in the US you are never far from a 10 minute fill up and you’re on your way. If the cybertruck (or Ford Lightning) is advertised at ~300 miles, that’s under optimal conditions. I’d assume it’s half that when towing (because ... well ... physics). So would you embark on a cross country trip hoping there’s a charging station every 150 miles? And if you spend 1 hour per charge, you’re talking about only going 300 miles in a 5-6 hour day. I think they’ve got a ways to go to make one that’s tow friendly. They’ll get there but not for another 4-5 years.

But I had a genius idea that I should patent!! Make an EV friendly camper trailer with a battery pack in the floor that adds 200-300 miles to your range when plugged into the truck. So you charge the car and the camper at the RV park and head out in the morning with 2x the range, while towing!!! Boom.
 

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Decades to come? I agree they could be around for a while longer but if you think it will be around for decades would you say the same thing about 8 tracks, Beta, VHS, cassettes, CD's etc? I know, not the same as a vehicle, but technology does seem to be moving faster and faster. Just think of what a 2000 Toyota Tundra had in it for technology and where it is today.
 

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Yes, decades to come because America does not generate enough electricity to feed EVs, and there is no commonality at the few charging stations across the nation. The coming financial crash will further set back EVs... it's just not looking good for EVs.
 

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I concur with H2O Man...........I already heard California will have rolling black outs this year with possible areas of the east coast also. Think about all the homes AND apartment building that would need charging stations to supply power to all the vehicles. Not to mention semi trucks, buses, trains, etc.......at my age I will never see complete electric vehicles in the Great U.S.A.
 
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How will washington state ( highest gas taxes in America) survive if they have no gas stations. At the moment we pay over $1.00 per gallon in gas taxes but I still have to drive on terrible roads hmmm wonder where all that money goes?
 

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Cybertruck is on order. In ten years you'll be hard pressed to find a car or truck or semi with"a basic internal combustion engine". IMO

I also have one on order,I may end up getting a Tuntra EV before my place in line for the CT comes up. Although if Toyota drops a Plug-in this week I may bite.

I perfer a combustion engine but that pipline fiasco has really showed how fragile things are. I want something I can charge off-grid (although it would be slow) but even a plugin with 30 miles of range gives you some mobility when shit hits the fan.
 

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Tundra range while towing is a big deal for some of us. I installed a 46 gallon TransferFlow under-body replacement fuel tank (2011 Tundra Dbl Cab) to allow me to tow my 30 ft. Airstream travel trailer without looking for a gas station big enough to accommodate the 54+ ft. truck/trailer every 200 miles (standard 26 gal. tank). We tow about 600 to 700 miles a day when we travel and gas stops only take long enough to add 40 gal. of fuel and rest stop for humans (about 20 min.). Now we only have to stop for one fuel stop in the middle of the day and one at the end of the day. I'm skeptical that I could recharge an EV truck (in the near future) to run at 16,000 lb. GCVW truck/trailer for a 400 mile range in 20 minutes. Just my two cents.
 

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While I agree ICEs will disappear, and I DO think EVs are the future, they need to build a truck with a better battery range for towing to get all the die hards to convert. Your 26 gallon tank Tundra, not towing (16 mpg) has a range of ~400 miles. Towing at 8 mpg, that drops to ~200 miles which is barely tolerable, but with 100,000 gas stations in the US you are never far from a 10 minute fill up and you’re on your way. If the cybertruck (or Ford Lightning) is advertised at ~300 miles, that’s under optimal conditions. I’d assume it’s half that when towing (because ... well ... physics). So would you embark on a cross country trip hoping there’s a charging station every 150 miles? And if you spend 1 hour per charge, you’re talking about only going 300 miles in a 5-6 hour day. I think they’ve got a ways to go to make one that’s tow friendly. They’ll get there but not for another 4-5 years.

But I had a genius idea that I should patent!! Make an EV friendly camper trailer with a battery pack in the floor that adds 200-300 miles to your range when plugged into the truck. So you charge the car and the camper at the RV park and head out in the morning with 2x the range, while towing!!! Boom.
Tell GM. They're transitioning to an all EV car company by 2035.
 

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I agree. Just saying that this is a major decision on their part.
 

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Hybrid will be here for a long time.
 

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Hybrid vehicles could become viable, but total electric vehicle will never earn mass appeal... total electric vehicle should be banned from the roads.
 
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