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Transmission Flush Myths- Busted!

Anyone who is even remotely involved with cars has heard this type of story- someone that they know got a transmission flush and their transmission failed within weeks or even days.

The urban legend behind this is that the “sludge” is all that was holding the transmission together and once it was removed with a flush, the transmission had no chance of surviving.

The story goes like this:
Jim was having a transmission problem, let’s say that it was sluggish in the morning and would slip on take-off from a stop from time to time when it was hot out.

Now Jim has a brother-in-law named Bob that used to work on cars, do his own tune ups and oil changes, etc. When Jim mentioned the problem that he was having to Bob, his immediate response was, “You need to get that tranny flushed”

Of course Jim not really knowing anything about a car, much less an automatic transmission blindly follows the advice of his brother-in-law. After all Bob surely knows all about cars even though he hasn’t worked on one for over twenty years.

Jim obediently takes his car to the local lube place for a flush and an engine oil change while it’s there. Jim gets his transmission flush, pays and goes on his way.

At first, he notices maybe a slight improvement in performance but his transmission is still exhibiting most of the original symptoms.

About two weeks later Jim is driving to work and he stops to pay a toll. When he tries to pull away from the toll booth the unthinkable happens- the car just revs and goes nowhere, as if it is in neutral. Jim moves the shifter into low and is able to limp his car off to the side of the road and wait for a tow truck to take him to a transmission shop.

What happened?

Here’s a list of reasons why the transmission flush myth exists:

•The myth is propagated by people who claim to be experts. I have even heard of transmission repair shops who contribute to the myth in the hopes of scaring potential customers into having their transmission overhauled rather than maintaining it.

•There are thousands of “internet experts” who promote the misinformation- it’s truly a case of “monkey see, monkey do” on steroids!


•There may have been a time in the early days of automatic transmissions when failure after a flush was more common, perhaps because of antiquated friction material and transmission fluid technology during the 1950’s and 60’s but this was before my time so I’m not able to truly discuss the legitimacy of the possibility. I can, however, say with certainty that it’s not an issue with 99.9% of the vehicles in service today. If your owner’s manual is in the glove box and not painted on the wall of a cave, you are probably good to go.

•“Sludge” is all that was holding the transmission together and when it gets cleaned out the trans in going to fail immediately. Guess what? If you have sludge in your transmission, it’s already bad and in need of a repair.

•Once in a while a flush is performed, usually at a quick lube operation, and the transmission is not refilled correctly- resulting in failure soon thereafter. Of course the incorrect fluid level is not recognized as the culprit- the transmission flush is! Many automatic transmissions have fairly complicated fluid level checking and filling procedures that are best left to a transmission repair expert to perform.

•People have unrealistic expectations. A transmission flush is no more likely to fix a failing transmission than an engine oil change is to fix a major internal engine problem. Both of these things are great to do regularly but they are maintenance- not a fix for a problem.

•The reality is that most people don’t think about their transmissions until the day that they have a problem. Jim’s transmission was on borrowed time- it was going to fail anyway but now that it has, he is going to perpetuate the myth. If he ever hears someone mention a transmission flush, he’s going to proclaim, “I had that done and my transmission blew up within a month!”

I have been in the transmission repair industry since 1987 and can honestly say that I can’t recall a single time where I saw a healthy transmission get a flush or a fluid change and subsequently have a problem. A transmission flush is the best maintenance that one can do to extend the life of your automatic transmission, don’t miss out on the benefits because of the nonsense that exists surrounding changing your transmission fluid!

Anyone can feel free to repost this as long as you leave the "about the author" part intact.

About the author:
John Lombardo is co-owner of <a href="http://www.importperformancetrans.com">IPT Performance Transmissions</a> and has been in the high performance industry for over 20 years.
 

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Sales pitch for what? Do you even know the nature of my business? I'll give you a hint, I don't make a living from the 5-10 trans flushes that I do per year.

We pretty much work on transmissions only, not whole vehicles.

Just posting to share some information/my opinion.

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If you have a problem, of course a flush is inappropriate. As I said, it's maintenance- not a fix for a problem.

If all kinds of debris gets dislodged after a flush, the reason was that the trans was having a problem and generating metal/clutch material before anyone ever flushed it.

I'm in the transmission business. If I post subject matter, in all likelihood it's going to be about, well transmissions. Any of my other hobbies/interests aren't really relevant here anyway.

If I take the time to write things and someone disagrees with what I said, I have no problem whatsoever with that.

If someone wants to give me a hard time just because of the fact that I bothered to write anything, they should probably find a more constructive use of their time.

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Ok. I think that I missed a lot in a few hours.

Just real quick. I like Amsoil in late Toyotas and have had nothing but good results with it. I certainly prefer it to the Toyota fluid.

Also, many manufacturers are doing the "lifetime ATF" or "100000 ATF". Quite simply I don't believe that the additive package in any ATF isn't going to be pretty severely degraded at that point, not to mention that amount of normal contaminants that are going to be circulating around in fluid that has seen that much service.

I'm pretty sure that the OEM's don't care too much about how long things last after they are through warranty.

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I've always wondered about these "lifetime" fluids. How can any fluid last that long? A transmission works just as hard as an engine so I've never understood why the fluids aren't changed more often just like engine oil.

Hmmm...
It is a little different in the sense that engine oil is subject to a greater amount of contaminants and the bi-products of combustion that blow past the rings, if even in very small amounts on every revolution.

But.. in general I agree. I wonder if "lifetime" means however long the unmaintained trans lasts?

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Thanks Transdude for the post.

I don't trust the 100k mile change interval either; my driving habits includes alot of highway driving, so when should I change it?
My dad does alot of city on his 05 DC when should he change his?

PS there is a check valve at the bottem of the pan of my 07 but don't know how it works :(
I think somewhere between 30 and 50K works for most situations. In general, around town should theoretically be one the lower side and more highway use would be on the higher side of my recommendation.

The fill level plug works like this: picture a two inch straw that extends from the plug area (in other words, it extends up into the pan a bit). When you pull the plug, fluid will come out until it goes down to the top of the straw (about two inches up in the pan) and then your level is correct.

Many manufacturers are getting away from dipsticks. Maybe so you can't see what your "lifetime" fluid looks like at 85K without going through some trouble ;)

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How about a complete fluid exchange? Not a power flush?
It's just about the same thing. The term "powerflush" is just a marketing thing. As stated correctly before in this thread, any flush just uses the transmission's own pump pressure to send the fluid in and out of the cooler lines, there's no additional pressure from a machine involved.

-John

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